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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: 2HOW on December 13, 2009, 12:30:07 PM
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From John Farnam:
7 Dec 09
MDL, "Minimum for Daily Living"
from an Instructor:
"We all have different jobs, different social settings, wear different attire, live in different climates, and, in the case of our female colleagues, possess a unique superstructure. So, when we discuss what a person 'should carry,' we have to be flexible, as it all has to be concealed.
In any event, here is my MDL (Minimum for Daily Living) list:
Primary pistol, and at least one reload (spare magazine or speed-loader)
Back-up pistol
Tactical flashlight
Blade
OC spray
Cell phone
IBD
Small light
When I mention this List to people who don't carry on a regular basis, I am usually greeted with a good deal of eye-rolling, particularly from women
Then, I suggest an 'Airplane List.' Delete everything you are not able to carry on commercial flights, and what is left?
I strongly suggest all of us carry those items, all the time, a flashlight being first on that List, then IBD, cell phone, and small light. TSA has no issue with any of the foregoing, and they are all literally lifesavers!"
Comment: It comes down to personal readiness/preparedness. How prepared you reasonably need to be, as noted above, is a relative question, varying with person and circumstance, and with world history, which may critically change that question for all of us- tomorrow morning!
Part of "being prepared" is looking into the future and anticipating what items, though not required now, may be acutely necessary when our personal situation changes radically.
/John
(“IBD” is “Israeli Battle Dressing.” I am fortunate to live in an area where a “tactical” vest is viewed as a fishing vest, not a “shoot me first” vest. In some areas fanny packs do not attract undue attention, in others they seem to scream “gun!” Other belt-mounted pouches may look more “normal.” Regardless, some of these garments or accoutrements may facilitate carrying the stuff you may want to have in the various emergencies that may intrude in your life, whether a criminal attack or the effects of inclement weather.)
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John is a wise man.... he also lives his life in a pretty controlled, safe way and chooses to frequent places, as he describes, where he can get away with all that stuff pretty conveniently.
As always, gear and preparation is about compromise. His "MDL" is more than what I carried when I was in uniformed patrol (in that I usually only had one light and did not carry a battle dressing)..... of course, I had a vest and a radio, both of which increased survivability dramatically.
You've got to make choices that make sense for you. Good on John for reminding us all to be thinking about it!
-RJP
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I respect the author's perspective and can agree that in an ideal setting those items should be at hand. I think were people start the eye rolling is when they imagine walking down the street with a tac vest on and a ruck sack to carry enough for their partner. With a little tweaking you can have that and more depending on your situation.
On a typical day I carry 1 firearm, 1 spare mag, two knives, and one light on me. However due in part to planning and some thought I have in my vehicle a spare light, bungee cords, rope, a first aid kit assembled by me with things that I feel are a must have and somethings that fall into the "all I could scrounge up" catagory. By design my vehicle is never very far from where I am. When seconds count can I have those items at my disposal? No, but I will have access to those items sooner than later and I feel that puts me in a better situation than someone who just refuses to be flexable with the above stated advice.
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where do you carry all that junk.
end up walking around tooled up to the teeth like a mall ninja.
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Old phrase I remember is:
"Keep It Simple Stupid"
1 concealed firearm.
1 spare mag when applicable,
1 good knife
1 cellphone
and most important:
1 BIG Situational dose of Awareness.
Keep the rocket launcher in the truck or at home... You know,... zombies and such....
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Old phrase I remember is:
"Keep It Simple Stupid"
1 concealed firearm.
1 spare mag when applicable,
1 good knife
1 cellphone
and most important:
1 BIG Situational dose of Awareness.
Keep the rocket launcher in the truck or at home... You know,... zombies and such....
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I am one of the eye rollers here. If I need all of that crap, I'm not going into that neighborhood. My daily load out is one G26 (no spare mag, cause if I can't get it done in 11, I'm probably dead). One, 2 1/2 " Gerber knife (tactical against hang nails and fishing knots), an LEd key chain light, a cell phone, and situational awareness. Dude, I live in Florida, not Iraq. Wear the gun, don't let the gun wear you. If you live in a more hazardous environment, adjust. But if I need 2 guns, 2 knives, a tactical vest, etc., survey says, MOVE!
FQ13
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+1
one G26 (no spare mag, cause if I can't get it done in 11, I'm probably dead)
FQ13
FQ, carry the spare mag. You will be moving and suppressive fire is not a luxury. Neither are the misses you will have if the bad guys are moving. Bad guys might mean 5 or so and at a double tap each, you only have 1 to spare.
No one ever lost a gun fight because they had to much ammo.
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FQ, carry the spare mag. You will be moving and suppressive fire is not a luxury. Neither are the misses you will have if the bad guys are moving. Bad guys might mean 5 or so and at a double tap each, you only have 1 to spare.
No one ever lost a gun fight because they had to much ammo.
I have to agree here. At a minimum, 1 extra mag is not going to weigh you down that much, and really, how much space does it really take.
Personally I carry my Sig 229, 1 extra mag. (2 in the glove box with my flashlight) My pocket knife and my cell phone. With the extra mag and one in the chamber that gives me 25 rounds of insurance. I agree with the sentiment that I should be able to do it with one shot, but get real. I know how much adrenaline gets pumping when I get a large Elk/Deer in my sights. It's hard enough to do it then. I know that the "buck fever" would be 1000 times worse under fire. So I want to make sure that I don't hamstring myself by not having enough ammo should I actually need it.
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I have to agree here. At a minimum, 1 extra mag is not going to weigh you down that much, and really, how much space does it really take.
Personally I carry my Sig 229, 1 extra mag. (2 in the glove box with my flashlight) My pocket knife and my cell phone. With the extra mag and one in the chamber that gives me 25 rounds of insurance. I agree with the sentiment that I should be able to do it with one shot, but get real. I know how much adrenaline gets pumping when I get a large Elk/Deer in my sights. It's hard enough to do it then. I know that the "buck fever" would be 1000 times worse under fire. So I want to make sure that I don't hamstring myself by not having enough ammo should I actually need it.
This is a topic I thnik about. I am torn between not having too much stuff, and being secure. Remember, if you carry a j-frame and speedloader, you've only got 12, and that's after a reload. I might look into an IWB mag holder, or stick an extra in my pocket if going somewhere risky (late night Wally World/mall trips etc.). For now, I think one will do me, but I am starting to look at the mag holders.
FQ13
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FQ, what happens if you have a malfunction ? Most malfunctions are magazine related.
I carry 2 spare mags with my 1911, one in my pocket, one in a folding knife sheath on my belt on the left side.
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Wow!!! How refreshing to find a shooting forum with some sense! I dont know how many of you look at other forums but their list of MDL require you to carry a full tactical backpack and there are no dissenters...they all agree. Thanks to DownRange.TV and Best Defense for keeping it real!
My MDL is primary IWB, tactical folder, cell and two mags. I also take pictures semi-pro so I look for camera bags that provide "options" if I am going somewhere that may need additional tools. :)
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I carry my firearm, 1 mag, a knife, and alight. And all of it fits nicely in my cargo pockets or on my belt. My Jeep carries my hiking gear all the time. So since I park my feet literally 20 feet from my actual desk when i am at work, if SHTF I have everything from shelter to first aid. IN addition, I keep a box of ball ammo in there just in case. And as soon as I can afford to do so, I will always have a full size handgun since my compact carry gun has its limitations. I believe in teh use of yoru vehicle as a good base of operations if the world implodes.
But as for daily walking down the street, I dont need a battle dressing...Its called Field Expedient...my t-shirt can plug a hole just as well as a dressing.
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I live in Fl. Im a Vet,I'm well aware of what can happen when you least expect it!For the eye rollers who don't believe you need the gear! I truly hope you never do,but I hope at some point for your own sake you better prepare yourself for what could be.
1 Semi Auto,(if I know I'm going into an unfirmilar area or a bad area a BUG)
1 Reload
1 knife
cell phone
tactical light (if I know I'm going to be out during the evening and night)
My SUV has my main bug out bag packed and ready to go in the rear cargo area.Since I enjoy hiking I also have a hiking pack back there with all necessary gear and provisions for a minimum of 3 days. So I never feel like I don't have enough gear at hand if needed in a pinch.You never know when the bg is going to show up,just like you never know when mother nature will remind you she's in control of things,it doesn't take much to be prepared,but it sure does hurt when your not! Don't worry when your out of ammo or when you don't have what you need because you were rolling your eyes at how ridiculous I sounded being prepared,I still help you out! But I'll be the one smirking!
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+1 Echoone
I usually carry my 5" 1911 (9 rds), one spare 8 rd mag, two folding knives, cell phone and surefire light. Used to have a lightweight Officers but shot it slower and not as accurate. This is just being prepared. I've been down range many times (still am) and when I expect a fight I have over 100rds of pistol ammo, 200-400 rifle rds and grenades plus body armor and everything else a soldier carrys.
CD
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I carry most of that stuff, but it's in my jack bauer bag in my truck. Im a news photographer, so people are used to seeing me carrying around a bag of gear.
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I live in Fl. Im a Vet,I'm well aware of what can happen when you least expect it!For the eye rollers who don't believe you need the gear! I truly hope you never do,but I hope at some point for your own sake you better prepare yourself for what could be.
1 Semi Auto,(if I know I'm going into an unfirmilar area or a bad area a BUG)
1 Reload
1 knife
cell phone
tactical light (if I know I'm going to be out during the evening and night)
My SUV has my main bug out bag packed and ready to go in the rear cargo area.Since I enjoy hiking I also have a hiking pack back there with all necessary gear and provisions for a minimum of 3 days. So I never feel like I don't have enough gear at hand if needed in a pinch.You never know when the bg is going to show up,just like you never know when mother nature will remind you she's in control of things,it doesn't take much to be prepared,but it sure does hurt when your not! Don't worry when your out of ammo or when you don't have what you need because you were rolling your eyes at how ridiculous I sounded being prepared,I still help you out! But I'll be the one smirking!
I keep a plastic box in my truck. It has a sleeping bag, clothes and boots, 3 day pack, stove, tent, raingear etc, 4-5 days of back packing food and two 2 1/2 gallon bottles of water, an ax, woodsman's jack come-along and a good tool box, a siphon, a fishing rod and tackle box and a serious 1st aid kit (bought from a surgical nurse who puts them toghether) with everything from battle dressing to an epi-pen. I also have a box of 9mm, 12 gauge and .270 (which are the calibers I'm most likely to need) and five twenty dollar bills. Sad thing is, this isn't for emergencies. Its just so I can leave town to go hunting or fishing without having to go home to pack. I mean, you have to store the stuff somewhere, why not your vehichle where its handy? Yeah it might get stolen, but that's why you pay insurance. I am rarely more than a mile from the truck, almost always carry a gun and if I can get to the F-150 I'm good for a week or more with no worries. Its not whacked out survivalist paranoia either. Its just a guy who has a large plastic foot locker full of camping gear and chooses to stash it in the truck rather than the attic.
FQ13
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I tend to tailor my daily stuff to what I'm doing that day...knocking around on an easy day, pocket pistol in my right pocket, spare mag and knife in my left pocket. Normally I carry my daily carry gun — currently a Para Carry 9 LDA — a spare magazine and 2 knives, one in each pocket. I go to the big city, and I add my regular carry gun and a spare mag, then transfer the pocket pistol to the left pocket with the knife. A light goes in my back pocket. I have a basic first aid kit in my car with combat dressings added. There are some cities I go to where I carry enough hardware to clank.
In the backcountry, lately it's been an open-carried .44 Mag revolver loaded with .44 Specials, backed up by a speedloader filled with .44 Magnum Keith loads and a couple of Tuff Strips with 240-gr Magnum JHPs.
When I travel, I tend to carry whatever gun I'm shooting on the trip. This has lead to some interesting carry choices — .44 Special and .357 single action revolvers, various flavors of 1911s, a variety of polymer-framed service pistols, etc. I tend to opt for off-body carry on the road when I can, because it's easier on complex filming days, changing clothes, absence of concealment garments, etc. Lately I've been moving to standardize on a de-locked S&W 329 revolver loaded with Specials backed up with Magnums. On the road, I'm generally traveling with a pretty large group of people, so my area of highest risk is, IMHO, in the hotel room itself...I like the heavyweight revolver because it delivers a "stop right there" message and gives me some options on loads. A hardcast Keith load like the 255-gr Buffalo Bore, for example, will punch a car door quick like bunny. Plus, road guns generally get beat to crap (you should see the back of Pincus' truck...might as well put the guns in a blender with scrap metal!) and I think a revolver gives me a little more edge in reliability in the face of abuse.
Driving long distances, I'll always go with an extreme crossdraw driving holster for the carry gun and a heavier weight blaster in the console/SafePacker...for example, the regular carry 9mm in a driving holster and a .44 Mag revolver loaded with penetrators in the console...I want the ability to poke holes in metal boxes if necessary...the car already has a dedicated fixed blade knife laced into the driver's side door and a couple of flashlights aboard, both a long-tubed Maglite and a high intensity Surefire/Insight.
Brother Farnam walks the walk...
Michael B
Michael B
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Michael. How do you carry your spare magazine in you pocket? Do you use something to keep the magazine in place or is it just loose in the pocket?
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For trips where I will stay somewhere else at night I like to have an AR with me. I'll have my normal carry 9MM and at least one other gun...if a business trip type thing I'll have a snubbie for the pocket or if on vacation or visiting family a 45. AR and 45 have their AAC companions with them if I can ensure they are secure and can stay with me for the trip. At least 2 mags for the handguns...4 or 5 for the AR to accomodate 193 or 109 or ballistic tip rounds depending on the need.
If world conditions are funky and I'm visiting family by myself 12 hrs away and I may have to stay (get stuck) there, I'll add a suppressed 10/22 and a centerfire with good glass on top...might be the 223, 22-250, 270, 243, whatever...but glass and a centerfire as well as my Yaesu VX-7R that puts me on 2M, 70 CM, 6M and 220 Mhz bands. If the family goes I always add a PS-90 and Five SeveN plus whatever plinkers (sometimes FAL) the kids may want....and yes there is some ammo prepositioned with family....they are, after all, only an hour outside of New Orleans and 45 minutes from Baton Rouge and I was there for the "Katrina Experience" ---I am not overgunned.
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I have a couple of leather pocket magazine carriers that protect the mag from too much gunk...for the life of me I can't remember where they came from. Sorry...
Pocket Concealment Systems (http://pcsholsters.com/magazine_carriers.html) has some larger versions. PCS, BTW, is a great resource for pocket pistol carriers.
mb
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I am one of the eye rollers here. If I need all of that crap, I'm not going into that neighborhood. My daily load out is one G26 (no spare mag, cause if I can't get it done in 11, I'm probably dead). One, 2 1/2 " Gerber knife (tactical against hang nails and fishing knots), an LEd key chain light, a cell phone, and situational awareness. Dude, I live in Florida, not Iraq. Wear the gun, don't let the gun wear you. If you live in a more hazardous environment, adjust. But if I need 2 guns, 2 knives, a tactical vest, etc., survey says, MOVE!
FQ13
In my opinion a person needs the spare mag. What if your mag fails after the first shot? IMO none of us should get caught in the "it won't happen in my town" mentality. Sometimes the "bad neighborhood" comes to you. :)
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My daily loadout is my XDm .40 IWB and two spare mags in a homemade kydex pocket holder (if 49 rounds of Cor-Bon DPX's aren't enough... LOL), my trusty SOG multi tool, a cellphone and a minimaglite (I know its not tacticool, but it works and it is one of he BEST self defense tools ever made, think kubotan) No tactical folders for this cat... I've been stabbed twice and knives give me the heebie jeebies!
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Daily carry lately, has been the M85 Ultra-Lite with +P's, two extra Bianchi speed strips for a total of 15 rds. I don't carry on the boat as I bend, crouch, stretch, etc,...
Out on the town, same rig, or P3AT, or Walther PPK/S, with Kershaw pocket clip knife, phone, and stream light. Sometimes, depending on temp, and attire, IWB up to M+P .40, or FN9, spare mags can be tough in 75+ degree shorts, but I keep them in the glove box.
Full size mags are great to have but climate and attire can be limited without "waddling" in shorts. Try to keep it light.
Road trips, are G21, or 1911. both in 45ACP, and "something" in the back seat within easy reach if I'm not driving and stopped.
Nothing to draw attention, I prefer to be the "quiet" traveler.
Seems S. Florida weather, can be "finicky" when it comes to what "works" :-\
Do carry First Aid kit, and a rotating bag of ammo, mags, always some bottled water, and a change of clothes in the Xterra,.
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I think a small first aid kit should be essential. Even some aspirin and some gauze would be good to have on hand. This was covered on one of the episodes of TBD-Survival.
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I carry a XD9 subcom with 1 extra mag. Thats 33 rnds of 147gr., a Kershaw, cell phone, small multi tool, and at night a Insight 150. In my Jeep I have a bug out box with an XD45 5" with 3 mags. A YHM Diamond XL with 14.5", 8 Pmags loaded and a ammo bandoleer of another 140 rnds. Sleeping bag, first aid,water, foul weather clothes, Same as alot of you on the rest of the stuff. But one thing I didn't see was anyone carrying a NBC gas mask or gear. That I do carry with 1 spare set of filters...A Rhino handheld GPS...
Guys take it from me, I work for a class 1 railroad. There is no way a train loaded full of HAZ-MAT can be watched or protected 24/7. We carry everthing from nuclear waste, Ammo and Bombs, Ammonium nitrate and the list goes on. A terrorist attack on one of these trains in a densly populated area like DFW or Chicago could be devastating!!!
Cutter
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I carry a XD9 subcom with 1 extra mag. Thats 33 rnds of 147gr., a Kershaw, cell phone, small multi tool, and at night a Insight 150. In my Jeep I have a bug out box with an XD45 5" with 3 mags. A YHM Diamond XL with 14.5", 8 Pmags loaded and a ammo bandoleer of another 140 rnds. Sleeping bag, first aid,water, foul weather clothes, Same as alot of you on the rest of the stuff. But one thing I didn't see was anyone carrying a NBC gas mask or gear. That I do carry with 1 spare set of filters...A Rhino handheld GPS...
Guys take it from me, I work for a class 1 railroad. There is no way a train loaded full of HAZ-MAT can be watched or protected 24/7. We carry everthing from nuclear waste, Ammo and Bombs, Ammonium nitrate and the list goes on. A terrorist attack on one of these trains in a densly populated area like DFW or Chicago could be devastating!!!
Cutter
As to the NBC gear, its not as nuts as it sounds. Commercially "Scent Lock" tm ::) is charging better than $200 to very stupid bow hunters for "activated charcoal cammo" that will mask their scent. The bow hunters aren't stupid to believe the claim, its true. They are stupid to pay two bills for what is basically a chem war suit. I bought a British army surplus model in Brit woodland cammo, through Sierra trading post.com for a grand total of $25. The stuff works, as several very dead hogs and deer will attest, and it is also very warm and wind proof (the polite way of saying hot as hell, and you'll sweat like a pig if its above fifty degrees or you exert yourself too much) :-\ Still, its good for bowhunting from the ground, cost practically nothing, and if I bought the gloes, booties and mask, I would be set for an NBC attack. I wouldn't race to buy one unless, like me you can make it a multi tasker, but its not a bad feeling knowing its here.
FQ13
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Chemical spills are like crap, They happen, even if all you get is the mask, skin exposed to something like chlorine is relatively easy to treat, lungs are not.
On the list of major disasters, I would put Chemical spill way ahead of Major blizzard or ice storm as far as immediate threat.
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Chemical spills are like crap, They happen, even if all you get is the mask, skin exposed to something like chlorine is relatively easy to treat, lungs are not.
On the list of major disasters, I would put Chemical spill way ahead of Major blizzard or ice storm as far as immediate threat.
This is surprising due to the amount of blizzards and Ice storms we have been though compaired to the HazChem. spills.
In no way am I saying you are wrong, just that I was the opposite.
tex
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That was a big part of my thinking Texicaliber, we get blizzards every year, HO HUM, the lights are out, Crap, I have to shovel the walk again, but Chemical spills can happen along any major road or rail line and few if any of us are prepared even mentally, to respond to something like that in the middle of an ordinary day. And I include military personnel as well .
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This is surprising due to the amount of blizzards and Ice storms we have been though compaired to the HazChem. spills.
In no way am I saying you are wrong, just that I was the opposite.
tex
Tom was talking about Immediate Threat not frequency.
Even with the power out, you can probably manage to hold out for a few days while the Blizzard/ice story passes and service is restored.
If it is a chemical spill at the end of the drive way rather than a 3ft snow bank, you will be facing problems with which you are, most likely, not equipped or prepared to handle.
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Not only valid point but a good one to boot.
Lack of prep is the downfall to any confrontation of ones well being, be it physical, mental or the low % critical hypothetical.
Thanks Tom,
tex
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As for NBC gear, i would not waste my time buying gear especially surplus 3rd world or old Warsaw Pact stuff.
What your getting is kit that has expired or been obsoleted. Basically junk.
As Cutter68CB said HazMat spills are very common and commercial tankers are considered a viable target. I attended a "war game" where they blew up several rail cars in a city next to the local airport. IMHO the response was a terrible but the powers to be claimed victory and went home fat dumb and happy.
Having a bug out plan with gear and a place to go would be the best option. Respirators really need to be fit tested to make sure they have a good seal. They also need the right cartridge for the gas or vapor. Charcoal is great for some things but maybe next to useless for other things.
Concentration falls of by the square of the distance so just get out of the area. Typically if your are more than 3 miles from the a big event you are OK even if it involves several rail cars. The BDS show was spot on when they covered spills and dirty bombs.
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As for NBC gear, i would not waste my time buying gear especially surplus 3rd world or old Warsaw Pact stuff.
What your getting is kit that has expired or been obsoleted. Basically junk.
As Cutter68CB said HazMat spills are very common and commercial tankers are considered a viable target. I attended a "war game" where they blew up several rail cars in a city next to the local airport. IMHO the response was a terrible but the powers to be claimed victory and went home fat dumb and happy.
Having a bug out plan with gear and a place to go would be the best option. Respirators really need to be fit tested to make sure they have a good seal. They also need the right cartridge for the gas or vapor. Charcoal is great for some things but maybe next to useless for other things.
Concentration falls of by the square of the distance so just get out of the area. Typically if your are more than 3 miles from the a big event you are OK even if it involves several rail cars. The BDS show was spot on when they covered spills and dirty bombs.
Sorry I haven't had a chance to respond to you ratcatcher as I have worked a bit lately, so here goes...
All I really wanted to point out is knowing about what is in the general area of your home/work and the travel between. I drive 112/70 miles one way to the 2 places I go on duty at at all hours of the day and night. I also live 4 blocks from a rail yard that switches out these types of cars. The routes that I take to work are along these main rail lines too. Lets not forget that I sometimes switch out these types of cars at the yards I work. Odds are that most people will only see one of these on the news and never have to worry. But, As I am around these types of cars almost daily, it only seems prudent to have the gear available as part of my bug out box...I only used the term NBC as a referance as most people will recognize the term.
As for my knowledge and/or experiance with such. I have had everything from Military/Law enforcement to years doing (H2S) poison gas drilling. Speaking of H2S it is oderless, clear and stays low to the ground. Kills you before you know your in it. My gear is current american made and I keep an eye on the experation dates of the cartridges.
I agree that the best thing to do is get away. If you live in a "Danger Zone"? Make it part of your families emergency plan.
About 4 years ago we had an accident near San Antonio, Texas where a train crew had a derailment of about 4 cars. One of them was a tanker that began to leak. To make a long story short, the crew died along with 2 people in a house next to the tracks.
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I guess this discussion shows the MDL requirements vary with the sitrep, and conditions of your life, I would carry different things in the cold dark north, than I carry here in Texas. As little bro points out, he may be involved, much more than I, in a chemical hazard. My daily personal pack, on the body, are 2 flashlights, 1 rechargeable stinger, because I use it all day, 1 sure fire LED light, for when the stinger go's down. 1 j frame in the right pocket with 2 reloads in the left. 1 spyderco emt knife in the open, and one cold steel voyager 5" concealed, ( not for opening boxes ) , 1 pair of vise grips, 4", handy for anything, not to mention the all important pocket screw driver, the kind they give away, it is amazing how much trouble I can get into with just that little dude, from stabbing an eye to removing damn near anything, hose clamps, dash pieces etc... The truck which is close, has a glock 21 and 2 spare mags, a full tool kit, wood saws,machete, rope, chain, come along, shovel, ratcheting tie downs, jacks x 3, with 2x6" x 2' box steel for when your in soft material, and your jacks will just sink into the ground without something to put them on between the dirt and it. Lots of cable ties. Once made an emergency V belt for the alternator with cable ties, got us 30 miles back to the house at night. Emergency kit, water, space blanket, power bar type food, some simple dressings, need to add some meds to it, after reading all this. At work, I have a Kahr k40 with 4 mags, and a folding stock Sks, with 50 rds on strippers, that hides neatly in my tool box, plus bottled water, and food, canned soups, pasta stuff, and can last a week if needed. The extra guns at work are for the coworkers, if something bad happens, a cool few know where they are and can reach them if I'm somewhere else, even 2 air guns for small game, pigeons abound and few rabbits in the vacant but wooded lot across the street.
ON 9/11 I had everything except the rifle, on 9/12 I added the rifle to the shop, and an AR in the truck, don't carry the AR in the truck anymore, but if news go's bad, I can take the sks and put it in the truck, for the ride home.
Good discussion.
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I guess this discussion shows the MDL requirements vary with the sitrep, and conditions of your life, I would carry different things in the cold dark north, than I carry here in Texas. As little bro points out, he may be involved, much more than I, in a chemical hazard. My daily personal pack, on the body, are 2 flashlights, 1 rechargeable stinger, because I use it all day, 1 sure fire LED light, for when the stinger go's down. 1 j frame in the right pocket with 2 reloads in the left. 1 spyderco emt knife in the open, and one cold steel voyager 5" concealed, ( not for opening boxes ) , 1 pair of vise grips, 4", handy for anything, not to mention the all important pocket screw driver, the kind they give away, it is amazing how much trouble I can get into with just that little dude, from stabbing an eye to removing damn near anything, hose clamps, dash pieces etc... The truck which is close, has a glock 21 and 2 spare mags, a full tool kit, wood saws,machete, rope, chain, come along, shovel, ratcheting tie downs, jacks x 3, with 2x6" x 2' box steel for when your in soft material, and your jacks will just sink into the ground without something to put them on between the dirt and it. Lots of cable ties. Once made an emergency V belt for the alternator with cable ties, got us 30 miles back to the house at night. Emergency kit, water, space blanket, power bar type food, some simple dressings, need to add some meds to it, after reading all this. At work, I have a Kahr k40 with 4 mags, and a folding stock Sks, with 50 rds on strippers, that hides neatly in my tool box, plus bottled water, and food, canned soups, pasta stuff, and can last a week if needed. The extra guns at work are for the coworkers, if something bad happens, a cool few know where they are and can reach them if I'm somewhere else, even 2 air guns for small game, pigeons abound and few rabbits in the vacant but wooded lot across the street.
ON 9/11 I had everything except the rifle, on 9/12 I added the rifle to the shop, and an AR in the truck, don't carry the AR in the truck anymore, but if news go's bad, I can take the sks and put it in the truck, for the ride home.
Good discussion.
And people call me paranoid. ;D I agree one hundred percent. I hunt, fish, camp and shoot. I've got to store the stuff someplace. Why not where I can get at it quickly? The bed of the truck (with some good plastic boxes) seems as good a place as any to keep a pack, tools, gear and rations for a week as well as a weapon or two. What good does all that stuff do me in the attic?
FQ13
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After reading all the things you all carry, I feel totally unprepared. Unfortunatly, I drive a company owned vehicle during the week and am prohibitted from having a weapon in the truck. I do carry a 2" Gerber folder for utility and a CRKT M16-13M folder for defense, a mini-mag lite with a LED conversion is my daily work light.
For my weekend job as Security, I am again prohibited from having anything (OC spray, knife or gun) on my person while on shift. I do still carry the same knives (rules be damned) and a Kobalt LED Tactical light. With my weekend job, I am in the downtown area, so all the public parking is city owned (no weapons on city property), and if I park in the loading dock area, I am on company property (another gun-free zone). So I am pretty much SOL as far as staying within the law and within company policy. I am really starting to think twice about the weekend job restrictions since I work 2nd shift and have been approched before by people asking for money.
I may have to say the hell with the law and the rules and just do what I think is best for me. I don't know, will have to ponder the situation some more. Any suggestions?
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After reading all the things you all carry, I feel totally unprepared. Unfortunatly, I drive a company owned vehicle during the week and am prohibitted from having a weapon in the truck. I do carry a 2" Gerber folder for utility and a CRKT M16-13M folder for defense, a mini-mag lite with a LED conversion is my daily work light.
For my weekend job as Security, I am again prohibited from having anything (OC spray, knife or gun) on my person while on shift. I do still carry the same knives (rules be damned) and a Kobalt LED Tactical light. With my weekend job, I am in the downtown area, so all the public parking is city owned (no weapons on city property), and if I park in the loading dock area, I am on company property (another gun-free zone). So I am pretty much SOL as far as staying within the law and within company policy. I am really starting to think twice about the weekend job restrictions since I work 2nd shift and have been approched before by people asking for money.
I may have to say the hell with the law and the rules and just do what I think is best for me. I don't know, will have to ponder the situation some more. Any suggestions?
O.C. personal spray a big necessity. If people apporched in the pass and you fail in the future to desclate the hypathical situation verabley, then the next step is to resort to non-leatheal OC spray. Keep the biggest bottle you can carry on you. Appeal to your managment that it will be a good way to protect life. Even if it is yours.
tex
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I may have to say the hell with the law and the rules and just do what I think is best for me. I don't know, will have to ponder the situation some more. Any suggestions?
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My general rule of thumb is not to do anything that will get you thrown in jail. After all, the purpose of the gun is to get you out of trouble, not into it. As far as company rules go however...... Concealed does mean concealed. An ankle holster may be a bitch to draw from, but its better than nothing, almost impossible for the untrained eye to detect, and if I ever have to draw a gun, getting fired is the least of my worries. I carry far more stuff than I need in my truck. Its just that, as I said, I have to keep it somewhere, why not where its available? The odds of me needing a weeks worth of gear and an AR on a moments notice are micro-scopic. If I need them, odds are good it will be for a hurricane and I'll have a weeks notice. Again though, why not keep it handy? Its your call to make.
FQ13
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I would also check into collapsable batons. This just maybe the ticket for your anti protection secondary job.
tex
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Forgot the most important tool, TRAINING.
Not joking, once you have decided your carry gear, get trained. Even if they give you a wakie-takie learn how to cave a S.O.B.'s head in while you can remain safe and defend your actions.
Even empty hand training, look into Michael Janich "Forever Armed: A Combative Guide To The Use Of Improvised Weapons" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioUjX3KggFU
You should be good to go and feel better about your situation with a little knowledge
tex.
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Forgot the most important tool, TRAINING.
Excellent Observation, Tex... Buying Gear isn't the important part and it is definitely the EASY part. Even carrying gear around all day is pretty simple, if you are willing to compromise.
Being in shape and in practice... and really understanding your gear, the way you carry it and the most efficient ways to use it is where you really become safer.
-RJP
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well, daily i have my 229 IWB and thats it.
i feel like a mall ninja carrying crap like flashlights, knives and spray that i know i am never going to use. its also a pain to keep in your pocket.
in my truck i keep my AR, a 30-06, ammo and a big ol DDD maglite.
i am a farmer and its a pain to carry a gun at all, but i keep my truck close for carrying grain, fertilizer, salt etc. so its not that big of a deal to not be armed to the teeth 24/7
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well, daily i have my 229 IWB and thats it.
i feel like a mall ninja carrying crap like flashlights, knives and spray that i know i am never going to use. its also a pain to keep in your pocket.
in my truck i keep my AR, a 30-06, ammo and a big ol DDD maglite.
i am a farmer and its a pain to carry a gun at all, but i keep my truck close for carrying grain, fertilizer, salt etc. so its not that big of a deal to not be armed to the teeth 24/7
As a farmer I am surprised you do not incorporate edged weapon/knives into your daily tools. Utilitarian use is the most common for most pocket knives with defense being second or last ditch. As for myself, i like the option of being able to have esclation of force. Empty hand, sprays, closed knife reinforced strike, edged defense to guns. To each their own man.
tex