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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on December 17, 2009, 03:32:39 PM
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010527541_gunban17m.html
State lawmakers to seek ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons
In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington.
By Molly Rosbach
Seattle Times staff reporter
In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington.
The lawmakers intend to propose the ban in the state legislative session that begins next month.
The legislation, called the Aaron Sullivan Public Safety and Police Protection Bill, would prohibit the sale of such weapons to private citizens and require current owners to pass background checks.
It is named for Aaron Sullivan, 18, who was fatally shot last July in Seattle's Leschi neighborhood, allegedly with an assault-style weapon.
Supporters say they also are motivated by the Oct. 31 slaying of Seattle Police Officer Timothy Brenton and the wounding of his partner. Police believe a .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle was used then.
The bill is backed by Seattle's police department, spokeswoman Renee Witt said. Also pushing it is Washington Ceasefire, a nonprofit that seeks to reduce gun violence. The group plans a news conference today to announce the proposal.
The lawmakers who plan to sponsor the bill are Rep. Ross Hunter, D-Medina; Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle; and Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle.
The ban would cover semiautomatics designed for military use that are capable of rapid-fire and can hold more than 10 rounds. Semiautomatics designed for sporting or hunting purposes wouldn't be banned.
"If they're used in the army, used in the war — that's what this ban is about," said Ralph Fascitelli, the board president of Washington Ceasefire.
Dave Workman, senior editor of Gun Week, a publication of the Second Amendment Foundation in Bellevue, said such a ban would punish law-abiding citizens who own such guns.
"I don't care if my neighbor has a dozen of the things; ... as long as he's not hurting anyone or breaking any laws, leave him alone," Workman said.
He also said he doesn't consider the gun police say was used to kill Brenton an assault rifle.
Hunter knows getting the bill through the Legislature would be difficult, because of concerns about limits on gun ownership. However, he thinks the ban is necessary.
"We don't allow people to own tanks or bazookas or machine guns, and very few people think that that's an unreasonable restriction," he said.
Kohl-Welles said the lawmakers are trying to be practical and aren't suggesting guns be taken from current owners.
"What we're trying to get at is there's no place to have sales of military assault rifles or weapons in this state," she said.
She also said she doesn't believe such a ban would violate the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms.
"Did the framers of our Constitution ever envision something like a semi-automatic weapon?" she asked.
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ONE MORE TIME FOR THE IGNORANT AMONG US:
1) SEMI-automatic weapons are NOT "assault weapons", nor are they "weapons used in battle or used in war." And who are you, Ralph Fascitelli, to decide which of MY guns is "suitable for hunting".
2) (to paraphrase Dan Aykroyd from the old "Saturday Night Live" skit with Jane Curtin) Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, you ignorant bitch. The Founding Fathers included the 2nd amendment not to guarantee the availability of guns for hunting purposes, but just in case the day came when the citizens of this country had to protect itself from a government run amock (read that as, "people like you").
3) What part of "Shall not be infringed" is so goddamned hard to understand?!?
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Rant Off..................for now.
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Lets see if I have this straight, because of the deaths of the 4 Cops the state wants to ban guns that WERE NOT USED IN THE CRIME ?
What a load of crap. Another assault on our 2A rights. Disguised behind a bunch of BS.
"The lawmakers who plan to sponsor the bill are Rep. Ross Hunter, D-Medina; Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle; and Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle."
Like Suzanna Hupp told Chuck Schumer, "The 2A is to protect people like us from people like YOU."
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I'm not worried, because none of my AR's were designed or built for military use. Military uses full auto, and my competition and hunting guns are semi-auto ;D However, all you Remington 700 owners need to worry, because those are the M24's in a different color ... oooooops ... they aren't scary ... they are only extremely accurate, so no one would every use one of them to kill ... my bad :-[
There should be a law against people writing legislation when they don't understand what they are writing about >:(
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I'm not worried, because none of my AR's were designed or built for military use. Military uses full auto, and my competition and hunting guns are semi-auto ;D However, all you Remington 700 owners need to worry, because those are the M24's in a different color ... oooooops ... they aren't scary ... they are only extremely accurate, so no one would every use one of them to kill ... my bad :-[
There should be a law against people writing legislation when they don't understand what they are writing about >:(
These scum sucking bottom feeders DO know what they are writing about, it's just another nibble at eroding ALL our rights.
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I'm not worried, because none of my AR's were designed or built for military use. Military uses full auto, and my competition and hunting guns are semi-auto ;D However, all you Remington 700 owners need to worry, because those are the M24's in a different color ... oooooops ... they aren't scary ... they are only extremely accurate, so no one would every use one of them to kill ... my bad :-[
There should be a law against people writing legislation when they don't understand what they are writing about >:(
Those evil sniper rifles.... why would anyone want to put a high powered scope on a rifle anyway if it were not intended to be used assassinate the president merely because they do not like the color of his skin... or something like that
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They want to get rid of even RIFLES that are "Black". Who's the racists ?
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Those evil sniper rifles.... why would anyone want to put a high powered scope on a rifle anyway if it were not intended to be used assassinate the president merely because they do not like the color of his skin he's a f-cking communist... or something like that
Fixed it for you ;D
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It's funny.....
Assachusetts' "assault weapons ban" doesn't ban the rifle.
They ban the flash hider, bayonet mount, collapsible stock and magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Last I checked, it was the rifle that actually fired the projectile not the rest of that garbage.
Again, we don't have it so bad as some......
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Afraid something like this would happen. The Seattle area is too much like Califomia and controls the state.
State and Fed Democrat controlled.
I'm sure a lot of Western and Southern WA people would love to join ID/ OR.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Heller state that common use firearms could not be banned? :-\
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Heller state that common use firearms could not be banned? :-\
in a nut shell what heller said was you can have a gun in the home at the ready for use in Self defense. Thats pretty much it.
it did not get into details about what kind of gun.
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But, why then hasn't MA lifted the practice of locking a firearm when the license holder is not in direct control? Because no one here listens or cares about what the SCOTUS says or doesn't say...
They are making it up as they go!
My wife is fully capable of defending herself, even if I'm not home.....my home is my business, the state legislature can kiss my big Irish Butt!
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It's funny.....
Assachusetts' "assault weapons ban" doesn't ban the rifle.
They ban the flash hider, bayonet mount, collapsible stock and magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Last I checked, it was the rifle that actually fired the projectile not the rest of that garbage.
Again, we don't have it so bad as some......
That's similar to California. We have ways around the law too and there are so many black rifles in California at this point, that they'll never be able to completely get rid of them.
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That's similar to California. We have ways around the law too and there are so many black rifles in California at this point, that they'll never be able to completely get rid of them.
There are half dozen, or more, firearms makers in Assachusetts including S&W, the largest gun maker in the United States. I can only buy about 60 or 70 percent of the firearms they manufacture.
It's all about "pay-o-la"....but I've said this before...
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"What we're trying to get at is there's no place to have sales of military assault rifles or weapons in this state," she said.
Last I looked military weapons were selectable fire. Civvy models are not.
She also said she doesn't believe such a ban would violate the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms.
Yes, yes it would. But the true intent has been muddled by the propaganda axiom "a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth".
"Did the framers of our Constitution ever envision something like a semi-automatic weapon?" she asked.
Probably not, but what does that have to do with anything? The founders did not espouse bans on weapons, and fully intended a civilian population armed with military style firearms capable of use in martial situations - including the removal of oppressive government if necessary. More than enough ancillary text by the founders supporting this view. Simply because SA wasn't available at the time doesn't invalidate the premise of private ownership of a weapon closely associated with military usage. And frankly, modern 'black rifles' are as multifaceted as the old flintlock. Capable of use for individual self defense, defense of country, marksmanship and hunting.
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Those old farts that wrote the most intuitive and inspiring document in American history never envisioned a semi-automatic weapon. Whoopi... They believed in the people as the primary source of protection for the nation. In so doing they believed in the people having the same firepower as the military in which they would be defending us against. I would not be surprised if those same "hacks" as the left thinks of them, would promote the idea that if we arm our military with an M4, a 249 SAW and a Barrett .50 BMG we should be arming the people with them as well. Whooda thought that we could be looking at this so backwards. We shouldn't be banning AR-15s and AK's we should be handing out M16's and M240B. Hell lets get to work... I'll take 2 M4's and a M107 with a side of Claymore's please. And can I get some API rounds for that as well?
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Ever see how much damage can be done without an "assault weapon"? Lever and pump actions, even bolt action and revolvers, baseball bats, axes, shovels, good hammer, etc,...
Riding the wave of emotion from the 4 LEO's killed in the coffee shop/diner, is all this is. After all it is Seattle. Outside of San Francisco, they are about as close as you can get politically.
Cities in Oregon, are next, after all it is the "left" coast.
Boston won't let City Police carry AR's either.
Mother , the State, knows best.
>:(
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"Those old farts" (Up yours youngster ;D ) may not have foreseen semi or full Auto weapons, but they thought it was perfectly OK for the Citizens to own the same artillery pieces as the Army.
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"Those old farts" (Up yours youngster ;D ) may not have foreseen semi or full Auto weapons, but they thought it was perfectly OK for the Citizens to own the same artillery pieces as the Army.
I don't think of that why personally, but, those asinine fascist running the country and destroying the constitution now seem to. Else they wouldn't be contradicting and undermining our freedoms like they are.
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The second Amendment was the original homeland security.
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The Second Amendment inspired the idea of Checks and Balances also... I think congress should remember that.
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What a coincidence, perfect timing.