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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on December 26, 2009, 05:58:40 AM
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I can't understand why these people keep getting into trouble? What happens to his guns in a case like this? Does he have to forfeit them to the police, or can he "give" them to a family member, assuming he has one without a criminal record? I know if convicted of domestic violence, your gun buying days are over. Bill T.
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in CA you have two choices, give then to the police, or legally transfer then to some one that can legally own them.
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G.Gordon Liddy says that after being busted for his part in 'Watergate' he's no longer able to own guns,........but that Mrs.Liddy has a REALLY nice collection!
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On the new 4473 forms it asks (Yes No) If you've ever been Charged with a misdemeanor domestic violence charge. It also asks if you have a restraining order against you. Yes on either question, no gun for you. What is really bad is in several states if someone calls the police and claims domestic violence, and the police show up, someone is going to jail! No matter if the charge is just or not. In many divorce cases the wifes attorney will automatically get a restraining order just to make the husband look like a bad guy, and of course to jack up his fee. It takes a couple of minutes to file for one, and they charge several hundred dollars for it. It is almost as if they are looking for any way to permanently destroy a citizens right to own a firearm. Bill T.
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I've had to "hold" more then a couple friends guns over the years for restraining orders. most of them were complete BS. Its really sad that laws that were put in place to protect "women" ( not just women) are used by "women" to hurt people. I'd bet that my lawyer could get a restraining order against the 3 Ms. It would not hold up to a challenge, but I bet she could get one issued.
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Most restraining orders aren't worth the paper they're written on. They are simply a cash cow for the lawyers and courts. Besides, if someone is genuinely violent, a restraining order isn't going to stop him. A husband who is put in jail for "violating" one isn't drawing a paycheck. That is going to hurt both parties. Marital battles are 95% hogwash anyway. Most all are driven by lawyers and spite. What is wrong is that can destroy a persons right to own a gun. Bill T.
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I was listening to a legal radio show on the way home from work the other day, and the host of the show, (a lawyer of course), said that so many women were accusing their soon to be divorced husbands of sexual molestation of their daughters in order to damage them from any chance of custody, that many states have now passed laws stating if a woman accuses the husband of sexual molestation, and there is none to be found, she will be jailed and prosecuted! He went on to say that those type of charges stopped overnight. Bill T.
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Unless there is reasonable suspension, they should be charged.
This is another one of those things were I've had people I've known totaled screwed over. Don't get me wrong, I think rape/ molestation is the worst crime you can commit.
2 storys I have personal exp with.
in college I took a corse that was basicly going to poorer schools and tutor kids reading( and got paid to do it). Long story short one of the guys bought a brand new camero, every one went out to see it. One of the girls told thier mother about what happend between her, her friend and this guy in that back seat, which never happen and there was about 30 wittness other wise, but the police were called... long story short, he left the program.
The other story, a freind of mine, was accused of raping a women at a party, she ended up get pregant. anyways the report of the rape did not come out until after the birth of the child. She was going after him for big bucks.( the guy was worth about 10 mill then) there is only 2 probs with that: 1 he was not at the party when she said it happend. 2 in hs he was a crazy mofo on a dirt bike. form very high up on a jump he came down on the handle bars. he exploded one of his testicals inside his sack, and damaged the other so bad it had to be removed. there is no way he could have gotton her pregant.
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For me personally, I've come to 2 decisions. I do not converse with any women at my workplace. That may seem a bit extreme, but with all of this sexual harassment nonsense, it simply isn't worth it. The accusation of it can be so damning you could lose your job over it even if you were totally innocent. I know several people over the years that it's happened to.
Another that I'm very solid about is, don't leave me in a room with someones small children. I'll get up and walk right out. Many parents tell their small daughters who are still far too young to reason, "if anyone ever touches you down there, you tell mommy right away!" Now the kid knows she can get someone in trouble very easily if she doesn't like them. I don't need, or want any of it.
It reminds me of the case in California where the mother and son who ran a day care center were falsely charged with child molestation. It was one of the longest, most expensive trials in California history. They were both found to be completely innocent. It really didn't matter. Their reputation was shot, and they were bankrupt, and lost their business. The kids were all coached by prosecuting attorneys, and no one knew where the truth stopped, and the BS started. A hell of a lousy way to have your life destroyed. It's a shame it has come to this. Bill T.
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On the new 4473 forms it asks (Yes No) If you've ever been Charged with a misdemeanor domestic violence charge. It also asks if you have a restraining order against you. Yes on either question, no gun for you. What is really bad is in several states if someone calls the police and claims domestic violence, and the police show up, someone is going to jail! No matter if the charge is just or not. In many divorce cases the wifes attorney will automatically get a restraining order just to make the husband look like a bad guy, and of course to jack up his fee. It takes a couple of minutes to file for one, and they charge several hundred dollars for it. It is almost as if they are looking for any way to permanently destroy a citizens right to own a firearm. Bill T.
billt your wrong about the Charged part, the 4473 says Convicted but it also asks if you have a restraining order on you. and the article you linked said Colorado law required a protection order between people arrested for domestic violence. So he would be prevented from purchasing a firearm until the retraining order is lifted or expires. For most things in this country we are still innocent until proven guilty!
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I stand corrected. It still stinks on ice you can lose your right to own a gun over a misdomeaner. That is simply not right. Bill T.
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I stand corrected. It still stinks on ice you can lose your right to own a gun over a misdomeaner. That is simply not right. Bill T.
O your right their, especially when you earn your living with a gun! A few years ago we had a commanders call on the subject, cause it prevents you from serving in 99% of the military occupations! Had to fill out a form attesting to not having any DV convictions. I don't even think you can be a cook or a chaplains assistant with a DV conviction! :-[
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Billt is right, just like getting robbed, avoidance is the best defense strategy.
I don't doubt TAB's stories either, My ex wife's Uncle, while getting divorced and running for Mayor (at the same time) Was accused by his ex of molesting one of his daughters, despite evidence to his innocence (The prosecutor was a political opponent )
He went to prison, as far as I know he is still there. (This by the way happened in NH, not Ca. )
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On the new 4473 forms it asks (Yes No) If you've ever been Charged with a misdemeanor domestic violence charge. It also asks if you have a restraining order against you. Yes on either question, no gun for you. What is really bad is in several states if someone calls the police and claims domestic violence, and the police show up, someone is going to jail! No matter if the charge is just or not. In many divorce cases the wifes attorney will automatically get a restraining order just to make the husband look like a bad guy, and of course to jack up his fee. It takes a couple of minutes to file for one, and they charge several hundred dollars for it. It is almost as if they are looking for any way to permanently destroy a citizens right to own a firearm. Bill T.
That very thing happened to my brother.
Took a lot of $$ for the divorce and to get the charges vacated (judge found no proof in the end) and over a year for him to get my grandfather's 60's era High Standard (the only gun he owns) back from the sheriff's impound.
Total BS the way the system can be played.
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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, during my divorce, her "friends" gave her advice to gain leverage over me. Drum up a totally BS "restraining order" because she was afraid, and I owned guns.
The problem was, I ran the Marina where the County Sheriff's kept the Lake Enforcement Boats, and often brought prisoners from the County Jail to clean, wash, wax the patrol boats. Over the years I knew these Deputies on a first name basis, even had some to my house for BBQ, and beer (off-duty). I almost became an Iredell County Sheriff. Was () that close.
When I was served at work, Deputy "Jeff" said this was the biggest bunch of crap he has ever seen, but had to enforce the order.
He would follow me home to gather some clothes, etc,...at the end of the day.
At home, I told Jeff to take my guns as I was afraid the soon to be ex would pawn them, he actually knew the wife, me, and let me take them! Told me to lay low, go to work, and go to court. He than offered to testify on my behalf.
When the court day came, her lawyer wanted this and that, and couch, and TV, and etc,.... I told him to "F" off until this BS restraining order was rescinded. As I had 3 Deputies ready to testify on my behalf, he quickly talked the ex into dropping the order. Benefits of a small town. But during that 10 days she emptied the house and moved out. Except for my guitars, and a couple of other things that was it.
She didn;t get my guns though,...except for a Davis .380 I bought for her for $99.00 :-\
Your right Peg, if it wasn;t for the Deputies that I knew, I may have been totally screwed. I was still screwed from the divorce but not as badly... :)
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He graduated with the deputies that took him in and they both said it was a BS play, but had to follow their court order.
He got it all straight and took care of, it just cost a lot of $$'s.
She's still being a PITA by using the kids....screwing with visitations and skirting just this side of contempt of court with the judge. He's been in court a half dozen times this year just to see his kids. New judge (female) just came into the picture, though, and has put her foot down and said "enough-is-enough" because she can see through the ex's BS.
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"She didn;t get my guns though,...except for a Davis .380 I bought for her for $99.00 :-\"
Tom, there is still a shadow of justice in the realization that, in her time of worst peril, she has a Davis .380 to rely on.
Right?
Mac.
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With all of this type of marriage crap, if Melanie ever died, I would never consider marriage again in a million lifetimes! FOR WHAT? It's all nonsense today. Women coax you, then destroy you. No way, not this guy. EVER! Bill T.
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There are a lot of very fine compatible ladies out there Bill as you have found your self.
Those weren't the ones we ended up with ;D
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You reckon its tough over there, here if some one threatens you and you take out a court order (agrevated violence order) then you still lose your firearms and firearms licence as a matter of course. It is then up the the police commissioners determination if your licence is reinstated and your firearms returned.
Like wise if some one takes one out on you (requires no burdon of proof mind you) which is often the case in marital disputes where a partner is vindictive then you also loose you firearms and licence, if the report is found to be false and you are cleared then you still have to apply for your licence etc
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Loose MY guns because someone threatened ME?!? How is THAT keeping me safe? I'm sorry to hear that's how it goes there..... But for the grace of God goes America..........
This thread is making me wonder why one would mess with getting married..... Stories like these make me love my German Shepherd that much more, too....
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Stories like these make me love my German Shepherd that much more, too....
You may want to consider rewording that sentence. ;D
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Holy cow, TT.
That is one scarry avatar pic. Where'd you find it.
;D
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Holy cow, TT.
That is one scarry avatar pic. Where'd you find it.
;D
I believe PegLeg came up with it shortly after Bogan and I declared our candidacy.
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You may want to consider rewording that sentence. ;D
I forgot which crowd I was in...... ;D
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Jack ass. Same problem keeps coming up. Judge ordered rehab. He needs to dry up. Martin Sheen is his dad.
Emillo Estevez is his brother. They can do it.
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I believe PegLeg came up with it shortly after Bogan and I declared our candidacy.
So is there a thread someplace that I missed that talks about the Tom & Tom candidacy in 12?
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So is there a thread someplace that I missed that talks about the Tom & Tom candidacy in 12?
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=10307.30
:D