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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TexGun on December 26, 2009, 09:31:46 AM
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So, last night the family and I went to see Avatar in 3D. And, despite some of the overt political overtones, it was quite an awesome production. But hey, make believe is what most movies are all about, right?
Having said that, this is not about the movie, but rather the theater, which to my disappointment is a non-gun-friendly esabilshment. (TX 30.06 sign clearly posted at the entrance: no concealed carry even with a permit) Unfortunately, all of the theaters in this particular chain (AMC) in my area have the appropriate sinage prohibiting concealed carry. Given that the family was a bit stir crazy and that the kids and I were excited about seeing this movie, I decided to suck it up and go to this particular theater without my CCW. Man, what a mistake, at least as far as my sanity is concerned.
Well, everybody else in my part of town had the same idea. And, holy smoke, there are some wierd(looking) folks out on Christmas day! As is the norm in my part of town, no scary incidents, people were well behaved, but sitting in that very crowded theater waiting for the movie to start, all of the "what if's" started crossing my mind, most of which a firearm couldn't fix. But nonetheless, the option of protecting my family with whatever means necessary had been taken from me and it kind of began to tick me off.
Now before you say it, I did make the choice to go to that particular theater (Way to practice AVOIDANCE!), but next time we will play ahead and pick a time that works for the gun-friendly theater about 6 miles further away. And , I think I will work on some of my CHL holding buddies to bombard AMC with letters. Probably won't do any good, but at least the protest will be lodged.
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It won't do any good as they are just practicing CYA. Put up the sign and maybe sell a few less tickets. Don't put up the sign (when they could have) and someone gets shot by a CHL holder and they open themselves up to a multi-million dollar lawsuit for not practicing "due dilligence". Your letters would be better addressed to your state rep to change the law so that these signs have no legal force. Most businesses won't care one way or the other, they just don't want to get sued.
FQ13
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No metal detector, no foul.
It's possible I've missed seeing a "no guns" sign on occasion...
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I don't pay any attention to those stupid signs, unless they pat you down or make you walk through a metal detector, how are they to know if you are carrying? In the event you do have to use it to defend yourself or someone else, can the theater really say that they were protecting you? I don't think so. I look at like this: The business is not going to be responsible for my safety, nor are they going to do anything to protect me. It is my responsibility to protect my family and myself. If the business does make a stink about it, I will sue or counter sue them for failing to provide protection against the bad guy(s).
it may not be the best response, but I have had enough of other people telling me when and where I can exercise my 2A right for my personal safety.
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I've read reviews of Avatar, most praise the graphics, but have hammered the "white guys = bad, blue guys = good) theme as well as the movie being an AGW (anthropomorphic global warming, that is, man-caused global warming) person's wet dream with all of the "peace-loving planet and blue beings stomp evil white people" messages.
Sucks about the theater. AMC won't give a crap about the protest, and sadly you live in a state where they get to make that call. Better to spend your time getting the state to put into place pre-emption language that takes this power (not a right) away from the theaters.
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this is not about the movie, but rather the theater, which to my disappointment is a non-gun-friendly esabilshment. (TX 30.06 sign clearly posted at the entrance: no concealed carry even with a permit).
This is why we don't go to theaters anymore. That, and the way they blast the Surround Sound. I'm deaf in one ear and it bothers me. Thank God for DVD's and early releases! And let's not forget the "Pause" button when it's time to shake the dew off! Bill T.
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I agree with FQ, Walt, and Billt.
public places will do anything their lawyers say if they think it will keep them from getting sued, THE STATE should not make one of those methods denying your constitutionally guaranteed rights,
If their isn't a metal detector it is not a gun free place, as proved by that Post Office stand off in West (?) Virginia the other day.
I also prefer DVD's with a pause button when I wish to smoke or deal with an empty cup or full bladder.
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What would happen if you were in one of these wonderful "gun free" establishments that do not allow concealed carry, yet you possessed a CCW, and were shot by a bad guy, and were denied the right to self defense by the very establishment you were shot at? I'm certainly no attorney, but that smells like a big fat law suit to me. Bill T.
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What is Texas law on CCW and postings? In Minnesota, if we have it concealed and they don't know it is no harm, no foul. If they see it and ask you to leave, you must leave. Key is they must know if you are carrying. If you are carrying, and they ask you if you are, and you say no, they can't search.
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What is Texas law on CCW and postings? In Minnesota, if we have it concealed and they don't know it is no harm, no foul. If they see it and ask you to leave, you must leave. Key is they must know if you are carrying. If you are carrying, and they ask you if you are, and you say no, they can't search.
yea what does the TX law say? Minnesota's rule seams "reasonable" to some extent.
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What is Texas law on CCW and postings? In Minnesota, if we have it concealed and they don't know it is no harm, no foul. If they see it and ask you to leave, you must leave. Key is they must know if you are carrying. If you are carrying, and they ask you if you are, and you say no, they can't search.
I got my Tx. CHL the first year it was passed (mid nineties). The way the law was explained to us in the course was that those signs WERE legally binding. If you carried you were trespassing and if you shot somebody, even if the shooting was justified, it could get complicated. I don't know whether this was correct and it was years ago, but that's what they told us. The advice was to leave it in the car.
FQ13
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I don't pay any attention to those stupid signs, unless they pat you down or make you walk through a metal detector, how are they to know if you are carrying?
Bingo ! Plus you get that really good feeling when you do something an anti gun person doesn't want you to do! Like Chris Matthews when he got "that thing running up his leg" everytime he hears Hussein. ;) Bill T.
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From what I have heard, the Texas 30 06 law specifies the dimensions colors wording etc for the signs that ARE legally binding, if the sign does not match EXACTLY those requirements then it is worthless..
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From what I have heard, the Texas 30 06 law specifies the dimensions colors wording etc for the signs that ARE legally binding, if the sign does not match EXACTLY those requirements then it is worthless..
Okay but what are the penalties for violating the 30.06 signs?
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So, last night the family and I went to see Avatar in 3D. And, despite some of the overt political overtones, it was quite an awesome production. But hey, make believe is what most movies are all about, right?
Having said that, this is not about the movie, but rather the theater, which to my disappointment is a non-gun-friendly esabilshment. (TX 30.06 sign clearly posted at the entrance: no concealed carry even with a permit)
The wife and I were thinking about going to see this movie so I want to know if you would go see it again disregarding the CCW signs problem thinking more of the political overtones issue. :-\
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They can ask you to leave, if you refuse THEN you can be charged with trespass and god only knows what else, and you lose you CHL.
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"Hurt Locker" comes out on DVD Jan. 10th. I'll get it to be sure. The DVD is cheaper than both of us going to the theater. Bill T.
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"Hurt Locker" comes out on DVD Jan. 10th. I'll get it to be sure. The DVD is cheaper than both of us going to the theater. Bill T.
Your right and I'm digging the Blue Ray player I just got. It's really making the surround sound system come alive. But some movies are best viewed on a 30' screen. ;D Not my 34" screen. I got the as many as you can watch 1 at a time in 7 days deal for $10 from blockbuster for the weekend I'm on #4 now 5 days to go!
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What is Texas law on CCW and postings? In Minnesota, if we have it concealed and they don't know it is no harm, no foul. If they see it and ask you to leave, you must leave. Key is they must know if you are carrying. If you are carrying, and they ask you if you are, and you say no, they can't search.
In Texas, if They find out they can ask you to leave. You don't leave, they can call police, who will ask you to leave. If you don't leave then, you're arrested for criminal trespass with a concealed handgun, or something to that effect. At least that's what they tell me in the CHL class. As far as I know, AMC theaters don't have metal detectors. In fact last time I went to the one in Mesquite, that's 20 minutes from my house, I carried, and I didn't see any sign. Well there may have been a "Gunbuster" sign. It's been a couple years.
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In Texas, if They find out they can ask you to leave. You don't leave, they can call police, who will ask you to leave. If you don't leave then, you're arrested for criminal trespass with a concealed handgun, or something to that effect. At least that's what they tell me in the CHL class. As far as I know, AMC theaters don't have metal detectors. In fact last time I went to the one in Mesquite, that's 20 minutes from my house, I carried, and I didn't see any sign. Well there may have been a "Gunbuster" sign. It's been a couple years.
There you go Guns, Walters IN Texas so his info is straight from the horses, uh, mouth, yeah, that's it mouth ;D
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There you go Guns, Walters IN Texas so his info is straight from the horses, uh, mouth, yeah, that's it mouth ;D
I would check it out though. The issue isn't about carrying it (if you do your job right they'll never know its there), the issue is about using it. In Fl., and I believe Tx., tresspassing with a firearm is a felony. Even if you aren't charged for the shooting, you still go directly to jail. Not a risk I'd run to see a movie about blue aliens that will be out on video next week anyway.
FQ13
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From what I have heard, the Texas 30 06 law specifies the dimensions colors wording etc for the signs that ARE legally binding, if the sign does not match EXACTLY those requirements then it is worthless..
That is correct. The other qualifier is that the sign must be in a conspicuous place. The mall next to the theater has a sign, but it's really difficult to find. The theater on the other hand has it clearly posted on the front doors.
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In Texas, if They find out they can ask you to leave. You don't leave, they can call police, who will ask you to leave. If you don't leave then, you're arrested for criminal trespass with a concealed handgun, or something to that effect. At least that's what they tell me in the CHL class. As far as I know, AMC theaters don't have metal detectors. In fact last time I went to the one in Mesquite, that's 20 minutes from my house, I carried, and I didn't see any sign. Well there may have been a "Gunbuster" sign. It's been a couple years.
This is what they taught in our class as well. The "gun buster" sign alone though does not meet the 30.06 requirements. Therefore, it ain't compliant and does not count.
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There you go Guns, Walters IN Texas so his info is straight from the horses, uh, mouth, yeah, that's it mouth ;D
So what are you tryin to say dude??? ;)
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I would check it out though. The issue isn't about carrying it (if you do your job right they'll never know its there), the issue is about using it. In Fl., and I believe Tx., tresspassing with a firearm is a felony. Even if you aren't charged for the shooting, you still go directly to jail..................
Probably worth looking into. Now ya got me curious.
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yea what does the TX law say? Minnesota's rule seams "reasonable" to some extent.
No, ND's law is "reasonable - they can't even ask if you're carrying and if they do and you say yes, they can't do anything about it. Unless you're at a church function, a bar or a sporting event. Then you are not supposed to be carrying. But theaters, restaurants, the mall, wherever, they can't forbid it.
Now that's reasonable. We're working on the limitations, especially the church ban.
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No, ND's law is "reasonable - they can't even ask if you're carrying and if they do and you say yes, they can't do anything about it. Unless you're at a church function, a bar or a sporting event. Then you are not supposed to be carrying. But theaters, restaurants, the mall, wherever, they can't forbid it.
Now that's reasonable. We're working on the limitations, especially the church ban.
Churches used to be on the statutory prohibited list, but they have changed that. Churches still do have the option to post the 30.06 sinage though.
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No, ND's law is "reasonable - they can't even ask if you're carrying and if they do and you say yes, they can't do anything about it. Unless you're at a church function, a bar or a sporting event. Then you are not supposed to be carrying. But theaters, restaurants, the mall, wherever, they can't forbid it.
Now that's reasonable. We're working on the limitations, especially the church ban.
and if you wer to have a ND injurying some one, do you have insurance to cover that?
like it or not, no gun signs have nothing to do with guns. they are about money, and only money.
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and if you wer to have a ND injurying some one, do you have insurance to cover that?
like it or not, no gun signs have nothing to do with guns. they are about money, and only money.
I think their mostly about ignorance! ???
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The only places I "forbidden" to carry in NH are Court house, Post Office, and the State house is under debate right now.
Schools I don't know what the deal is as I have no reason to go to them, but if I can't it's only on school property.
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In Oklahoma they can ask you to leave. If you don't leave and are polite about it the cops show up they ask you to leave. If you don't leave they write you a $75 misdemeanor ticket. Then it's time to leave. If you were a jerk you stand a chance of losing your concealed carry permit, not so much if you are polite.
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Here in Iowa I'm forbidden from carrying at the post office, school property, and "any location where alcoholic beverages are served or consumed". My biggest problem with the last one is the fact that it prevents me from carrying into most sit-down restaurants, including the ONLY sit-down in this little town of 4,000 people. So if we go out to eat it's either fast food or we have to leave town.
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Here in Iowa I'm forbidden from carrying at the post office, school property, and "any location where alcoholic beverages are served or consumed". My biggest problem with the last one is the fact that it prevents me from carrying into most sit-down restaurants, including the ONLY sit-down in this little town of 4,000 people. So if we go out to eat it's either fast food or we have to leave town.
Here in Arizona they just passed a law allowing CCW in bars and restaurants. The only stipulation is if you are carrying, you cannot consume alcohol. Of course the anti's all started beating the drum of how this was going to cause "drunken shootouts", etc. Nothing ever became of it, and they shut up and the law is working fine. Of course they base their thought process on the fact they think everyone who carries a gun is a beer drinking redneck with an I.Q. of 46 who loves to fight. Bill T.
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Here in Arizona they just passed a law allowing CCW in bars and restaurants. The only stipulation is if you are carrying, you cannot consume alcohol. Of course the anti's all started beating the drum of how this was going to cause "drunken shootouts", etc. Nothing ever became of it, and they shut up and the law is working fine. Of course they base their thought process on the fact they think everyone who carries a gun is a beer drinking redneck with an I.Q. of 46 who loves to fight. Bill T.
Actually Bill, they base their opinion of us on how THEY would act.
Because they are irresponsible violence prone bone heads, who act on emotion instead of reason, they expect the same type of behavior from the rest of us.
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Here in Arizona they just passed a law allowing CCW in bars and restaurants. The only stipulation is if you are carrying, you cannot consume alcohol. Of course the anti's all started beating the drum of how this was going to cause "drunken shootouts", etc. Nothing ever became of it, and they shut up and the law is working fine. Of course they base their thought process on the fact they think everyone who carries a gun is a beer drinking redneck with an I.Q. of 46 who loves to fight. Bill T.
Georgia just had a similar law go into effect this past summer.
So far, no rivers of blood, etc., etc.
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Georgia just had a similar law go into effect this past summer.
So far, no rivers of blood, etc., etc.
How can that be?!?
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Actually Bill, they base their opinion of us on how THEY would act.
Because they are irresponsible violence prone bone heads, who act on emotion instead of reason, they expect the same type of behavior from the rest of us.
I never really looked at it that way, but you are correct. Why would anyone assume behaviour they themselves were not capable of? Gun people are some of the most compassionate I've ever met. This board proves it! Bill T.
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How can that be?!?
Fluke.
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I never really looked at it that way, but you are correct. Why would anyone assume behaviour they themselves were not capable of? Gun people are some of the most compassionate I've ever met. This board proves it! Bill T.
Yeah Bill, well.....F. U.
Compassionate is bad, right?
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Yeah Bill, well.....F. U.
Compassionate is bad, right?
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Only when it's "for your own good" ;D
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Only when it's "for your own good" ;D
Or "the good of the children".
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"It's for the children" is liberal speak for, Bend over and grab your ankles.
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Here is for the "Good Of The Children" I normally don't like to see kids used in political marketing, but in this case I'll make an exception. It fits! Bill T.
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"It's for the children" is liberal speak for, Bend over and grab your ankles.
BOHICA
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BOHICA
What he said!! :D