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Title: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: twyacht on December 26, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
I know more than 90% here have seen it more than once, but while at Blockbuster, Red Dawn Caught my eye, I asked my 14 year old son if he had seen it and he said ,...uh,...no.. :(

Well, that's BS!,... I grabbed it, and said you will by the end of today.

One of the tragedies of a divorce, but I was around his age when the movie came out, and some of the aspects even in today's "worldy climate" still apply.  For the record it's better in Hi-Def....

WOLVERINES!!!!!

I'll be reviewing the favorite movie posts, and getting my son up to speed, on what he's really missed out on.

It's a guy thing,...

Mountain Men is next, Heston and Keith as beaver trappers, against the Blackfoot Indians.  Jeremiah Johnson, Man from Snowy River, number of war movies, more John Wayne, Gary Cooper, Sgt. York., etc,...

He's been with his mother too long.

Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: m25operator on December 26, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
Dude, you named a bunch of my must see, must have movies. Mountain men, never knew Brian Keith could be that funny, check him out in Nevada Smith as well, 1st time I saw someone reloading on screen. MAX SAND. ;D >:( ;)
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on December 26, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
Leaving aside the fact that any reasonable (male) judge would revoke your custody rights for that alone, (I mean,damn man), you must also include "The Good the Bad and the Ugly" as well as "Apocalyse Now". Since we are of roughly the same vintage, The Breakfast Club and Fast Times at Ridgemont High are probably also required, but far less important. ;D
FQ13
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: bulldog75 on December 26, 2009, 04:48:31 PM
Jeremiah Johnson is on TBS Sunday at 9P.M. Love that movie. Others that are great Patton, To Hell and Back, Pork Chop Hill, and The Longest Day.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: Pathfinder on December 26, 2009, 04:54:12 PM
Bad Daddy! Bad, BAD Daddy!!!!!!

 ;D

Good on making it right thou, lots of good movies to show him. Cowboys is another - the only JW movie in which his character died IIRC. But a very good coming of age movie, has great life lessons in it.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: Timothy on December 26, 2009, 05:05:43 PM
Bad Daddy! Bad, BAD Daddy!!!!!!

 ;D

Good on making it right thou, lots of good movies to show him. Cowboys is another - the only JW movie in which his character died IIRC. But a very good coming of age movie, has great life lessons in it.

He died in "The Shootist" as well, his last film I believe...
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: PegLeg45 on December 26, 2009, 05:20:09 PM
Bad Daddy! Bad, BAD Daddy!!!!!!

 ;D

Good on making it right thou, lots of good movies to show him. Cowboys is another - the only JW movie in which his character died IIRC. But a very good coming of age movie, has great life lessons in it.


To the best of my knowledge there are seven films that John Wayne died on screen, they are presented here in reverse chronological order:

THE SHOOTIST (1976) - Killed in gunfight in saloon at end of film.
THE COWBOYS (1972) - Killed by Bruce Dern and avenged by the boys.
THE ALAMO (1960) - As Davy Crockett killed by Mexican soldier lance.
SANDS OF IWO JIMA (1949) - Killed by sniper bullet at end of film.
WAKE OF THE RED WITCH (1949) - Killed as ship plunged off ledge and sank with Octopus.
THE FIGHTING SEABEES (1944) - Killed by sniper as he was about to leap from bulldozer.
REAP THE WILD WIND (1942) - Killed by squid undersea.

There were a few films where his death may or may not be seen.

In THE MAN WHOSHOT LIBERTY VALANCE (1962) he has died and the film's story is told in flashback by James Stewart who has come to his funeral.

In THE SEA CHASE (1955) - He and Lana Turner are on the ship when it sank but the film leads you to believe that perhaps they survived.

In THE DECEIVER (1931) - Ian Keith played Thorp in this film and John Wayne took over when this character became a corpse.

In CENTRAL AIRPORT (1933) - John Wayne doesn't even speak and is barely recognizable as one of the men aboard a downed airplane seen floundering in the ocean at night. I have never seen this film so I do not know if his character dies or not.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: blackwolfe on December 26, 2009, 05:22:12 PM
He died in "The Shootist" as well, his last film I believe...

I think he died in another in which he played a bad guy earlier in his career.  Some movie with sailing ships that I can't remember.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: blackwolfe on December 26, 2009, 05:25:20 PM
Might want to consider the movie, Second Hand Lions.  Fun clean movie with good life lessons to be learned.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: m25operator on December 26, 2009, 05:32:26 PM
+10 on Second hand lions, excellent movie. All JW's stuff is great, but the aforementioned is dynamite.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: mudman on December 26, 2009, 05:51:13 PM
WAKE OF THE RED WITCH ??
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: PegLeg45 on December 26, 2009, 05:52:47 PM
WAKE OF THE RED WITCH ??

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040946/
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: twyacht on December 26, 2009, 06:03:30 PM
Run Silent Run Deep, Charge Of The Light Brigade,
He hasn't even seen Saving Private Ryan! Good Grief Charlie Brown,.....

I gotta a lot of work to do over the next week..... :-\

Thanks for all the literal "help". I had no idea it was this bad...
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 26, 2009, 06:13:09 PM
 Blackwolfe may be thinking of "Wake of the Red Witch" he was the hero but the Witch originally sank because he intentionally ran it onto a reef.
Even in the era when the film was made it was a fairly common insurance scam to take worn out ship, claim it had a fairly valuable cargo, insure it to the max then either scuttle it in deep water, or run it up on some rocks then collect the insurance money.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on December 26, 2009, 07:02:59 PM
Blackwolfe may be thinking of "Wake of the Red Witch" he was the hero but the Witch originally sank because he intentionally ran it onto a reef.
Even in the era when the film was made it was a fairly common insurance scam to take worn out ship, claim it had a fairly valuable cargo, insure it to the max then either scuttle it in deep water, or run it up on some rocks then collect the insurance money.
The modern variant is for a company that carries hazardous cargo like oil, to subdivide its ships into many shell corporations and mortgage them to the waterline. That way if you make a mess, all folks can do is sue a paper company that has zero assets. The shipping business, like human nature  ;)) hasn't changed all that much.
FQ13
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: MikeBjerum on December 26, 2009, 07:11:45 PM
Saving Private Ryan!!!  A father & son must!  Make sure he pays attention and gets the final scene!
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: deepwater on December 26, 2009, 07:17:33 PM
hell, TW, had I known that... I have a few classics on my external hard drive and could have left a few with you the day we went shootin'! some good war flicks, action and westerns. downloading some classics now as I type.


oh yeah, any suggestions for movies I should take to the ship, let me know guys. I want to take a bunch of classics as all we get is chick flicks on the ship. yuck....  :P ( we need a puking smiley for occasions like this)..
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 26, 2009, 07:18:33 PM
A freind of mine took his girlfriend to see "Saving Private Ryan", she watched the first 5 minutes and when it showed the guy standing there screaming "where's my f-cking arm" she puked and left  ;D
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: bulldog75 on December 26, 2009, 07:19:49 PM
We were Soldiers. Go through the deleted scenes, the Church showes Gen. Moore and his wife. The lake is the best deleted scene.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: alfsauve on December 26, 2009, 07:21:17 PM
Saving Private Ryan!!!  A father & son must!  Make sure he pays attention and gets the final scene!

The first and last scenes
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: alfsauve on December 26, 2009, 07:23:29 PM
Other must sees

Shootist (as has been suggested)
Second Hand Lions
The High and the Mighty (John Wayne)
Bucket List

Band of Brothers series
WWII  in HD

Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: blackwolfe on December 26, 2009, 07:24:22 PM
We were Soldiers. Go through the deleted scenes, the Church showes Gen. Moore and his wife. The lake is the best deleted scene.

Got the DVD and the book for Christmas.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on December 26, 2009, 07:31:39 PM
The first and last scenes

Sad thing about that movie is that it told the whole story of the Vietnam war and Mel didn't include it. The battle of Ia Drang (sic) was the first full scale encounter between the US Army and the NVA. We "won" by a 20-1 margin. MacNamara and Giap both looked at those numbers and thought, "yeah, we can win this". Guess who was right? :-\ Still it is a great movie for a kid, and the final songs are worth the ticket price alone.
FQ13
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 26, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
FQ just remember Giap didn't win Crap. Le Duc Tho won the Vietnam war.
I don't think it was ever released on DVD, only VHS, but if you ever find the movie " 84 Charlie Mo Pic" watch that.
Think Blair Witch in Vietnam
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: bulldog75 on December 26, 2009, 10:53:32 PM
FQ just remember Giap didn't win Crap. Le Duc Tho won the Vietnam war.
I don't think it was ever released on DVD, only VHS, but if you ever find the movie " 84 Charlie Mo Pic" watch that.
Think Blair Witch in Vietnam

That was a good movie.

http://www.amazon.com/Charlie-Mopic-VHS-Jonathan-Emerson/dp/6301538196
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: PegLeg45 on December 26, 2009, 11:26:21 PM
The Siege of Firebase Gloria

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0098328/


The Gunny is in it.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: PegLeg45 on December 26, 2009, 11:28:19 PM
Jeremiah Johnson is on TBS Sunday at 9P.M. Love that movie. Others that are great Patton, To Hell and Back, Pork Chop Hill, and The Longest Day.

Great movie.
Gonna be on AMC (Ch. 130 DishNet) on Sunday night too.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: bulldog75 on December 26, 2009, 11:28:34 PM
Old yeller.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: m25operator on December 26, 2009, 11:45:19 PM
Ad infinitum my friends, great movies are just that, share and share alike. Wild Bunch, Big Jake, Nevada smith, Band of brothers, saving private ryan, Red Dawn oh how I could go on........ >:( ;D
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: Walter45Auto on December 27, 2009, 02:10:24 AM
I've never seen Red Dawn either.......

I kinda been itching to see Uncommon Valor lately. Haven't seen it in a while. Big Jake, I've watched 6 or 7 times in the last month. The Shootist twice, and El Dorado once. Sgt. York is one of my favorites.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on December 27, 2009, 02:37:26 AM
I've never seen Red Dawn either.......

I kinda been itching to see Uncommon Valor lately. Haven't seen it in a while. Big Jake, I've watched 6 or 7 times in the last month. The Shootist twice, and El Dorado once. Sgt. York is one of my favorites.
Dude, you did not just say that! On this board, thats like admitting that "you dress in womens clothing and hang around in bars". Lumberjack or no, it ain't ok. It is, objectively, not a great film, but somehow, for everyone who came of age in the cold war it just resonated. I've never watched it after seeing it like 4 times in the theatre because I doubt I'd like it as much and I didn't want to ruin it for myself. You though, I think should go and see it.
FQ13
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: Ranger Dave on December 27, 2009, 09:10:52 AM
Rio Lobo, The Horse Soldiers, McQ, Brannagin, Hell Fighters, Hondo with John Wayne
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: Woody on December 27, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
 That's the manual there. Bunch of good movies, a two pound fish, and a bullseye is in order. Pass the torch.
Title: Re: My Son Has Never Seen Red Dawn!!!
Post by: Walter45Auto on December 28, 2009, 11:17:24 AM
Run Silent Run Deep, Charge Of The Light Brigade,
He hasn't even seen Saving Private Ryan! Good Grief Charlie Brown,.....

I gotta a lot of work to do over the next week..... :-\

Thanks for all the literal "help". I had no idea it was this bad...

I didn't know there was anyone in AMERICA over the age of 13 who hadn't seen Saving Private Ryan!

You should throw in a few James bond movies too.