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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Tyler Durden on December 28, 2009, 07:54:21 AM
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Howdie all!
I was just curious here if anyone has a bolt action rifle chambered in 7.62X39....yeah....yeah.... I know.... ::) The AK47 round.
I did a search on gunbroker.com, and these are the results that I found.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.aspx
Maybe that link will come out the right way....or maybe not. If it doesn't, just go to the gunbroker.com main page and off to the left click on the bolt action tab under the firearms heading. Then at the next page, type in 7.62X39 in the search window, and then click search.
All the bolt action rifles chambered in 7.62X39 up for bid should pop up.
Basically, it looks like there are just 4 choices:
1. CZ 527
2. Remington 799 Mini-mauser
3. Ruger Hawkeye
4. Browning A-Bolt
Anywhooo....just curious if anyone here has one.... I especially like the fact that the CZ 527 comes with a detachable box magazine. I think that is neat.
If you do have one and just coincidentally have an Ak47, would you mind sharing your impressions on the accuracy improvement, if any, of going from the AK to a bolt action rifle???
Pics would be nice too. ;D
Thanks!
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also add to your list an AIA M10-A1 or M10-A2
http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/product.htm
(http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/images/M10_A1.jpg)
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Leaving aside the obvious question of why, I would presume you are looking at a two gun combo. I think that .308 in either an FN or AR10 or G-3 configuration coupled with (insert brand here) bolt action would be better, but pricier (ditto for 5.56). However, given the fact that 7.62x39 is basically a .30-.30 no matter what platform its launched from, you're basically looking at a 250-300 yard rifle and that seems to be pushing it. This might not be true with premium ammo or handloads, but I still wonder if you couldn't get the same performance for less green by spending the cash to accurize an SKS or AK (trigger job, new sights, nice barrel etc.). Like you I am curious, but I am skeptical.
FQ13
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@ PhilW.... Thanks! ;D
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@ FQ...
Howdie all!
I was just curious here if anyone has a bolt action rifle chambered in 7.62X39....yeah....yeah.... I know.... The AK47 round.
I did a search on gunbroker.com, and these are the results that I found.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.aspx
Maybe that link will come out the right way....or maybe not. If it doesn't, just go to the gunbroker.com main page and off to the left click on the bolt action tab under the firearms heading. Then at the next page, type in 7.62X39 in the search window, and then click search.
All the bolt action rifles chambered in 7.62X39 up for bid should pop up.
Basically, it looks like there are just 4 choices:
1. CZ 527
2. Remington 799 Mini-mauser
3. Ruger Hawkeye
4. Browning A-Bolt
Anywhooo....just curious if anyone here has one.... I especially like the fact that the CZ 527 comes with a detachable box magazine. I think that is neat.
If you do have one and just coincidentally have an Ak47, would you mind sharing your impressions on the accuracy improvement, if any, of going from the AK to a bolt action rifle???
Pics would be nice too.
Thanks!
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I do have a spanish mauser in 7 62x 39, nice looking with a boyd stock and cheap 3x9 scope, shoots so far like and SKS or AK at 100 yrds. I have not slugged the barrel, but expect it is .308 not .311. My hope was for a bolt action that would shoot the Surplus rounds into 1" or less, don't think it is going to happen. I love the CZ 527, but I would not get my hopes up about accuracy with milsurp ammo.
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^^^ Okay thanks!!
If you were to go here to this YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0
At about the 16 second mark, you can see how the AK47's barrel flexes. (I think the AR15/M16 barrel flexes too, but that muzzle end is kinda off camera. :( NOT that I am turning this into an AR vs. AK thread....so please don't go there, 'kay?)
I am kinda left wondering and scratching my head that if you shot the same 7.62X39 round out of a bolt action rifle that the accuracy should improve, because the barrel ain't whipping around.
I have heard that some or a lot of the Savage model of bolt action rifles make it really easy for a guy to switch barrels at home.
So...I was thinking experiment-wise, if a guy already had a Savage model _______ Whatever bolt gun, then the cheapest route would be to buy a 7.62X39 barrel. Swap out the barrels, maybe switch out the bolt because of whatever the breechface/headstamp dimensions are of the 7.62X39, and then go shoot!
I worked with a guy years ago who had one of the CZ models chambered in 7.62X39. He brought in a few of his targets to show them off. They looked quite nice actually, and his response to my compliment was, "Yeah, and I get to shoot the cheap milsurp ammo, too! ;D "
Anywhooo....the whole point I guess I am trying to make here is that I think many people want to poo-poo the 7.62X39 round because of range and accuracy concerns, but forget about the quality of the gun it is most frequently shot out of.
It would be like taking racing Pirelli tires off a Ferrari and putting them on a Ford Pinto.
Or taking a Ferrari and outfitting it with snow tires.
And I think, in my opinion, an AK with the 7.62X39 milsurp ammo is like bolting snow tires onto the Pinto. Ya get the worst of both worlds.
in my opinion...
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A friend of mine has a CZ and it runs about 2MOA with commercial mil-grade ammo (AKA Wolf). The 7.62x39mm round is vastly underrated IMO, it will get the job done pretty well inside it range envelope but too many people are caught up in this "sub-MOA target shooting" mindset and refuse to believe that anything less is useful. I especially love guys who tout the 5.56mm and it's 500meter range, sure it will get out there, but the round is utterly dependent on velocity for maximum effectiveness and that velocity is long gone by the time you get to 500meters, the 7.62x39 OTOH depends on bullet mass and diameter for it's effectiveness which do not diminish with range.
I would also remind people that much of the information we get from "Gun People" is somewhat less than the gospel truth. A 7.63x39 IS NOT identical to a 30-30! This myth arises from the fact that if you compare bullet drop, energy and velocity tables on the standard 30-30 and the 7.62x39 they appear very similar, but the '39 uses a 123gr (semi) boat-tailed spitzer bullet whereas the 30-30 uses a "Standard" loading of a 150gr round-nosed flat-based bullet at a somewhat lower velocity. It would be like saying a Ford Escort and a Ford Ranger are identical vehicles because the both use 4-cylinder engines and get nearly the same gas mileage. The fact remains that they are completely different vehicles designed to do completely different jobs.
If you want to use the 7.62x39 for hunting and other purposes you need to get ammunition that is designed for that, like the brass cased 150gr rounds currently being offered by some outfits. If you want to shoot humans at ranges of 300meters or less than mil-spec ammo is fine. The load, and the weapon, have to fit the use to which they are put or you will never achieve the best results.
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At the risk of being flogged and run out via torch and pitchfork...
Why the heck not???
I like the 7.62x39 it is a great little round with little recoil and a big punch. I kinda think it sucks that Hornaday and Winchester ignore this cartridge with their very popular PDX and TAP line of ammunition.
Honestly if I knew of or could find a good fragmenting round for the AK it would be my homestead firearm of choice for most of my friends. Throw in a bolt gun matched and we have a survival combo winner!
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I don't have a bolt action 7.62x39, but I do have these odd balls in 7.62x39.
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^^^Cool, thanks for posting those pics! ;D
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warhawke wrote:
....gospel truth.....This myth...
You're my kinda person, ya know it. A guy who can see through the internet BS and think for himself. ;D
I really can't add much more to it than what you already posted. Thanks!