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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: sledgemeister on December 30, 2009, 09:43:35 PM
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Ok fellow Rugerholics, whats the count down for? Who is in the know, who does one have to brow beat, smack with a wooden spoon or put over ones knee (calm down marshalette) to get some answers???
http://ruger.com/
Are they bringing back the .44 LA? huh huh pretty please
or maybe a .416 Ruger African ?
anyone???????
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I KNOW!
January 4, we'll rock and roll...
Michael B
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I KNOW!
January 4, we'll rock and roll...
Michael B
Well gees thanks Michael thats really helpful LOL
Open to bribes? ;)
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Rob remember we get January 4 before the US
Michael any chance of emailing us both when it turns 4/01/10 here us the new info ;)
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I KNOW!
January 4, we'll rock and roll...
Michael B
You are an EVIL man Michael Bane!!!!
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Is it a gun?
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Rob remember we get January 4 before the US
Michael any chance of emailing us both when it turns 4/01/10 here us the new info ;)
With todays heat I hope its a Ruger Air Con unit lol
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Is it a recall?
;D
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HEY, They've got dates for Ruger RimFire!!!
July 24th, Prospect Hill, NC here I come.
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You are an EVIL man Michael Bane!!!!
Thats MR asshole to you. ;D
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Thats MR asshole to you. ;D
LOL that so reminds me of a time I was pulled up by a cop for being a hoon doing burn outs, he chased me and when he caught me I pulled over and got out of the car. (he was huge) He looked down at me and said YOUR A F#$$king PEANUT, WHAT ARE YOU!!! I replied I am a F#$king Peanut Sir! His female offsider nearly wet herself, and he had to compose himself before he let me off with a warning, I assumed he expected some one to say I didnt do that, or give a reason why etc but he was right... I was.
Thats the only time I ever tried to out run the police knowingly, there was one time I elluded them for 17KM (10 miles) but thats a story for another time and besides it was Johnny Cash's fault!
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I KNOW!
January 4, we'll rock and roll...
Michael B
Rock and roll??
That always puts me in mind of full auto?
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An LCR in .357 Mag?
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An LCR in .357 Mag?
More like an LCOuch!!!!!! ;D ;D
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Carbine. Either 9mm, or MAYBE, if we're all ridiculously lucky, a .44 Mag. carbine!!! PLEASE SANTA?!? It's not to late!
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hahahaha Rob
bet that was not in your current car hahahah
I just hope it is something that can get sold in Australia ;D
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hahahaha Rob
bet that was not in your current car hahahah
I just hope it is something that can get sold in Australia ;D
NO and so do I
I reckon I should be able to have a SR22 just for fun if I want one!
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I am not all that familiar with the Ruger line up....so yeah, like another poster here, my first thought was another recall.
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My guess if Michael Bane is dropping a hint...since Ruger already brought out their version of an AR, my guess is something M14/M1A-ish. Well, hey, that's my guess anyway. :P
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A lot of rumors here:
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=73417
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I don't listen to rumors...I just start/spread them! LOL!!!!!
Richard
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I've got 3 Ruger handguns — 2 revolvers and 1 semi...
mb
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I've got 3 Ruger handguns — 2 revolvers and 1 semi...
mb
Just recently for testing? :D
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Uncataloged, unannounced, 2010 SHOT guns...I know of at least one other Ruger scheduled for SHOT as well, but its still in production prototype...I've shot one and liked it so much I told Ruger to send me the bill...
mb
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I am with Badger here. I am hoping they bring out a mini-14/supersized 10-22 .44 mag carbine with 20 rounders. Propietary mags be damned, I will find the money to buy one. One slightly used lobster eating bird dog in trade anyone? ;D I'm actually serious here, not about the bird dog, even if she did scarf $40 worth of lobster meat (bitch waited until I shelled it too!). I mean about the gun.When I look around the market, I see pretty much anything I want. If you were to give me a buy whatever, but you can't sell it gift certificate, I could find pretty much find anything I wanted. EXCEPT, for a tactical/hunting .44 mag. Ruger used to build one although it was squirrely. If they got that right I would cash the gift certificate in on one tommorow (with LOTS of mags).
FQ13
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I wonder how the market would respond to a "upgraded", US made AK clone? Say available in 7.62x39 and .223. The AR (and 1911) seem overly saturated. Maybe, it could be engineered to keep the general design of the AK but with interchangeability of calibers.
Hmmm.... One very reliable "base" with multiple calibers spanning .22lr to...... oh say .416Ruger?
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I wonder how the market would respond to a "upgraded", US made AK clone? Say available in 7.62x39 and .223. The AR (and 1911) seem overly saturated. Maybe, it could be engineered to keep the general design of the AK but with interchangeability of calibers.
Hmmm.... One very reliable "base" with multiple calibers spanning .22lr to...... oh say .416Ruger?
I think we have a comment of the day winner! Think about it. Why another AR? How many do we need? Instead take the AK with the cheap mags and its ability to gobble cheap foriegn mil surplus. Then take US standards, good materials, no BS canted sights or the like, and sell it for around six bills. Not a redesign, just improving whats there. Who better than Ruger? They've never built an original firearm. They just take the classics and make them better, stronger and cheaper, using upgrades to the original prototype. I love them for it and have owned several. Off the top of my head, I've had eight and I liked them all. A Ruger AK. That high pitched buzzing sound is Bill spinning in his grave. ;D
FQ13
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Found these post from Jeff Quinn on the Ruger Forum:
It's not just a polymer frame, but the ejector rod has a built-in laser module, with the battery under the right grip panel. The laser is activated when the hammer is cocked, just as it passes the half-cock notch, and the laser goes off when the hammer drops, greatly saving on the battery life. It uses a proprietary direct-metal contact, so there are no wires showing. Production is scheduled for second quarter 2010, but there are about 20 pre-production models floating around. I really do not care for the Realtree camo finish on the polymer components, but a fake case-hardened look will be offered later, and the finish does go pretty well wth the titanium cylinder, which is offered only on the .45 Colt model. The .357, .44 magnums will have a blued steel cylinder, with stainless offered next year. The model with the birdshead grip has a built-in lanyard loop at the heel of the polymer pistol grip. No Bisley model is planned at this time. I know that traditionalists will cringe, but let's give the plastic Blackhawk II a chance.
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Jeff Quinn
gunblast.com
What really pi$$es me off, is that Ruger had to submit one for approval to be NY compliant, and Chuck Schumer got wind of the "plastic" revolver, and has already started proceedings to ban "plastic revolvers", just as they did when Glock introduced their polymer-framed pistol years ago. Back then, even though the HK VP70 had been around for awhile with its plastic frame, idiots were hollering about the plastic Glock being able to evade a metal detector. Same thing with the BH II. They do not even acknowledge that a metal detector can detect a single cartridge, let alone the fact that the BH II has a steel inner-barrel and other components! ONLY the frame, grip frame (which are integral in this design), barrel shroud, and the trigger are polymer.
The sixgun really looks pretty cool, but I am contractually forbidden to show a picture until January 4th.
One small criticism: I think that the laser module would have been better placed in the base pin for stability, but it does work well in the ejector rod. The rod is a bit stiffer to work than on a standard Blackhawk, and the ejector stroke is shortened 1/8 inch on the BH II, but it still does its job well. Everybody wants lasers on their guns these days, and Ruger could have just put a section of Picatinny rail on the barrel shroud, but for aesthetic reasons, the module in the ejector looks much better.
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Jeff Quinn
gunblast.com
Actually, someone suggested a .44 Special Vaquero which doesn't sound bad, and we know how MB likes the .44 Special, maybe that is the one his is buying?
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Forgot to add that I got this from Ruger in late September:
Comment / question:
Is Ruger going to produce a single action revolver in .327 Federal Magnum? I think that this would be a great product. My suggestion is that you produce one.
Thank you.
Wolfe
Response:
Thank you for your email. We have no plans at this time but will forward your request to our Marketing Department. Thank you for your interest in Ruger firearms.
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You will pardon the incoherence of this post. A PLASTIC BLACKHAWK???!!!!!!!! Look, I love tupperware in Combat handguns where form follows function and aesthetics don't matter. But there is a place for deep blueing and nice wood and that place is in SA revolvers. There is no reason to make a "tacti-cool version of a revolver that hasn't been tactical since the turn of the century. In the name of God, why, why would you want a plastic laser sighted Blackhawk? Rant over.
FQ13 who will quit beating his head against the wall, reconsider the initial decision that drinkinking before noon was ok on new years and just roll with it. But can I please have my .44 mag carbine?
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FQ echoes my own thoughts.
Thats just SCARY ;D
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You will pardon the incoherence of this post. A PLASTIC BLACKHAWK???!!!!!!!!
Are they going to call it a PLAK-HAWK?.....or just tell us it was a bad idea drawn up over one too many Haz-eritas..... :-[
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Are they going to call it a PLAK-HAWK?.....or just tell us it was a bad idea drawn up over one too many Haz-eritas..... :-[
Maybe a yack-hawk? Please, a camoed plastic, laser sighted SA? They might as well make it in pink. Seriously, a GP-100 I can sort of see (maybe, kind of) or a .357 LCR, but a blackhawk? Sorry, pilgrim, but I just don't sabe.
FQ13
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(Evil) BlackHawk
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Remember the colored single actions some one tried selling a year or 2 ago ?
Those really swept the market didn't they.
I only foresee 3 possible PROFITABLE variations to the SA, and they all depend on personal tastes,
Caliber,
Barrel length
Grip materials
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FQ echoes my own thoughts.
Thats just SCARY ;D
THAT'S IT! I have figured it out. The Reason it is so cold in NewEngland is that this is the second time of the new year in which .............
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Tom and FQ see Eye2Eye on a subject............
It is official " Hell has frozen over!"
tex
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New for 2010 - Ruger's SSCP 180 ACP
http://www.realguns.com/archives/192.htm
ok it is now 01/04/2010 what is it :)
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...since Ruger already brought out their version of an AR, my guess is something M14/M1A-ish. Well, hey, that's my guess anyway. :P
They tried that back in the early 80's with the Ruger "XGI". It was supposed to be a .308 version of the Mini 14. It never got past the prototype stage. They had several issues with it. Most notably with cracking in the investment cast receivers. With that said, Ruger is a world class leader in investment cast technology. Their subsidiary is Pine Tree Castings in Prescott, Arizona. They had one of the first vacuum furnaces in the world for investment casting Titanium.
It would be nice to see a .308 semi from them at a more down to Earth price than what Springfield charges for them. There is no reason they can't put them out for roughly the same price as a Mini 14, as the gun would be simply scaled up in size. There is little doubt it would sell.......QUICKLY. And...... If they could in fact master large size investment cast, semi auto receivers, perhaps a Ruger Garand? Tomorrow we shall see ? Bill T.
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And....... If it is in fact a "Garand" facsimile, PLEASE, PLEASE, NO BIRCH!...... WALNUT!!!! Bill T.
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And....... If it is in fact a "Garand" facsimile, PLEASE, PLEASE, NO BIRCH!...... WALNUT!!!! Bill T.
Does it make a difference or is it just aesthetics?
FQ13 who likes deep blueing and nice wood (see above comments), but in a combat gun I'm very easily moved towards plastic stocks and stainless or at least parkerized metal.
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I'm gonna say an expansion of the SR9 line. A compact model...maybe models in .40 or .45.... .380? Redesigned trigger mechanism?
Could be resurrection of the M-1 carbine??? Not a stretch when you look at the Ranch Gun actions. This all from the M-14 and Garand talk before.
50 BMG Maybe? ? ?
Maybe that's it....an affordable 50 BMG for the masses. I'll go out on a limb...big announcement that would be it. SR9..an addendum not a big announcement. Yup...we will know in 21 hours.
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WW II Garands were produced with both Birch as well as Walnut stocks. There actually is some nice looking Birch, but not the stuff Ruger uses on it's Wal-Mart 10/22's. Walnut looks so much richer. I believe you can get replacement Garand stocks today in both Birch and Walnut. Bill T.
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its like christmas
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well it has just gone 13:34 on the 4th and still nothing ??
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well it has just gone 13:34 on the 4th and still nothing ??
You're on the wrong time. ;)
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You're on the wrong time. ;)
not my issue you are behind the times :P
just look at our gun laws hehe once again you are behind the times :P ;)
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You're on the wrong time. ;)
Should be 7am CST. Right?
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not my issue you are behind the times :P
just look at our gun laws hehe once again you are behind the times :P ;)
Plan on staying that way to, if we can't manage to fall back further.
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Should be 7am CST. Right?
Yep, 8am EST. ;)
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not my issue you are behind the times :P
just look at our gun laws hehe once again you are behind the times :P ;)
If you have even a grain of optimism left Phil, you will say that in regards to gun laws, we are ahead of the times. The thing is that unlike te UK, Canada and Oz (I don't know about NZ), our gun laws have gotten more liberal in the last decade. 20 years ago, concealed carry wasn't an option in most states, now it is. The 2A was just recently nationalized, and EBRs, which were once kept in the back of the shop with the porno mags, are now front and center.You're not 24 hours ahead of us, but 364 days behind. ;D
FQ13
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Apparently someone mistakenly posted the new Ruger on the homepage but quickly removed it. I saw what it was on DRTV but when I went to the Ruger website to check it out it was still 9 hours away from being announced, and when I came back here it was gone. Did anyone else see it?
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This better be good, and not some short fat wonder in a plastic stock ! ;D Bill T.
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It's not a recall?
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This better be good, and not some short fat wonder in a plastic stock ! ;D Bill T.
Damn straight! If its another 10/22 in drag or the dreaded plastic black hawk, I will be unhappy. These people have millions. INNOVATE!!!!!! Find a new niche and fill it. Better yet, create a new niche. Plastic S/A revolvers and pimped out .22s, much less another (yawn ::)) AR or 1911 don't count. The LCR, though not my cup of tea, does. If Ruger were to read this, or any other board, they would find there is a market for a higher caliber carbine or a better AK or a hotter LCP. Hopefully they will listen.
FQ13
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No, it's a new weapon.
....kinda sorta :-X
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A well made Ruger AK with forged receiver would be a very nice surprise.
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http://www.ruger.com/products/sr9c/index.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/sr9c/index.html)
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http://ruger.com/news/2010-01-03a.html
.327 Federal Magnum Blackhawk® and the Ruger GP100®
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http://www.ruger.com/products/sr9c/index.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/sr9c/index.html)
shame about the barrel length
under 4.7 in = not for Sledge or I :(
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and a compact SR9
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I'm assuming these are to compete with the Mini Glocks? Bill T.
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I'm glad I wasn't going (totally) crazy last night on that SR9c ;D
When it disappeared I kept thinking "It was just there! What the hell?"
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YAWN!!!
Ruger is becoming the king of letdowns.
How are you supposed to be excited over the same guns in a different caliber.
They had a countdown for these. ::)
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Take a good look at the fit and finish on the GP100 pictured. If their selling that for well under $100 I'd say it's not to bad!
Heavy large frame revolvers with mid-range calibers. I'm not understanding where the market is, unless their just trying to make a point to the industry that they support the Fed. 327 caliber. Sure there may be a shooting league or two that support this kind of firearm in this caliber, but are profit earning sales going to be generated from that small niche market? Hard to believe!
Just went back and looked. $701 for the GP100!!! ;D :o ;D
And you can measure it's weight in pounds... :(
So, on to the next topic. Who do you think will buy Ruger when they file bankruptcy?
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I'm assuming these are to compete with the Mini Glocks? Bill T.
The Glock 26 is still smaller, slimmer, and 6 oz lighter ;)
*Correction 3 oz lighter
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Ok. Can someone tell tell what the point of .327 is, other than to sell more guns. I mean yes you can fit an extra round or two in the cylinder, but for that you trade off a cheap and avialible caliber that has a zillion loads for it and lose the ability to shoot .38s. Less recoil? Please, anyone who bitches about recoil in a black Hawk should be issued an airsoft and sent home to mommy. What is the attraction? There must be one that I'm not seeing.
FQ13
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I'm agreeing with FQ on this one, I don't see a real point in the cartridge and I'm usually very quick to defend innovation. On top of that it has been out for almost 2 years or so and I have never seen either a weapon chambered for it, or a box of ammo on the shelves of any gun store.
If I'm wrong about this weapon I'd love to hear it, maybe a bit more variety in the ammunition, something that differentiates the 327 from the rest of the competition in a more visible way would be a start.
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I love Ruger firearms. The first gun that I shot was a 10/22 that I inherited from my dad and I still have it today. I have owned several others in the past including several P series pistols. I was really hoping that they would be bringing out something cool but nothing that they announced is for me. I like the SR9 but the compact frame is not my style and 327 isn't a caliber that I care anything about. Ruger let me down on this one but I'll still hold out hope for something up my alley.
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Sometimes I think people get confused over why gun companies build guns, which is to make money. The Blackhawk in .327 has the potential to be a marvelous small game/"packing pistol," to borrow a phrase from my friend John Taffin. As far as who'll buy one, I will — and the SA master gunsmiths have been working overtime on .327 conversions on the Blackhawk pattern, so someone wants them. Before that, they were working overtime on 32/20 full-sized Blackhawk conversion.
I'm already planning 2 hunts for our upcoming handgun hunting show using the .327 Blackhawk (an maybe the SP-101) — coyotes and spring turkey. As a person who carries a single action in the woods on a regular basis, I have no trouble figuring out what it's for. Caleb over at Gun Nuts media pegged the SP-101 7-shooter as a gun appealing to competitors as well as the home defense market, where the SP-101 has carved out an enviable niche over the decades.
And here's a thought on caliber...I didn't jump on the .327 bandwagon at all then the cartridge first appeared, but I have had a change of heart for 2 — one micro and one macro — reasons:
1) I spent a day on the range at GUNSITE comparing .327 and .357 SP-101 snubs with a big variety of personal defense loads.
2) I have a Sweetie who shoots .32 H&R in cowboy.
So let's talk about recoil...I know for a fact that Indiana Jackson can stand on the line and hammer heavy-bullet .32 H&R rounds into center mass all day long. So as a professional self-defense instructor, what should I tell her to do? Man the f^&k up and shoot a caliber with REAL HAIRY BALLS to prove...what? Or should I suggest a caliber that she can shoot and deliver 85-grain Federal Hydra-Shocks into center mass all day long? Remember, I don't believe in the myth of "stopping power"...I believe in lots of holes in the target...the more, the faster, the better.
As far as the SR9c, hey, you like Glock 26s, carry one. I have a Glock 26 that I don't carry because I don't particularly like the grip angle and the grip is a little short for me. One size doesn't actually fit all.
And before there's a mass "RUGER IS DEAD" orgasm here, I might suggest you look at their stock prices...
Michael B
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MB
I have no doubt its a handy cartridge. The thing is Ruger could and should innovate a bit. You win win market share by creating a niche Look how well they did with the mini-14. If they were to retool the AK, with the same mags and reliabilty at mini-14 prices they would make huge money. Pretty much everyone who wants and can afford an AR has one. The next big thing is folks buying one in GP, but even that will saturate. Folks who want a first or more likely second EBR would love a high quality AK as something different. Or again, a new and improved semi-44 mag. I have no problem with .327 per se, it just wouldn't be my first choice, just a .357 sig isn't and for the same reasons. If .357 is too much gun in a snubby, .38 +P is plenty good enough. But too each their own I don't hate it, I just can't see a reason to buy it.
FQ13
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I have no issues with the .327 calibre as such, more so in what theyre offering it in. Not having it in a longer barrel length in a gp100 configuration seems a little crazy for me at least, when they are offering it in a S/A blackhawk. There is a reason that revolver evolved, not every one likes loading one in the gate at a time, extracting spent shells etc etc
Had the choice been available for a 6" gp100 (8 shot like the BH) I would have placed an order today.
Another issue for me at least is the availability of ammo, cases, reloading dies and projectiles given where I am situated, I suppose it will filter through eventually but given how anal the US is about send stuff to the land of Oz I can just imagine the pain in trying to get such items.
Then in saying all of that I am one little aussie guy representing sweet bugger all of rugers intended market so what i think is not that relevent in the scheme of things.
I wish them good luck.
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Had a chance to handle an XDM 3.8 and to say that I was underwhelmed is an understatement. I hope the SR9c is better! I should add that I like the full size XDM better than the SR9.
JMHO
Richard
PS: I don't believe you can compare the SR9c to the G26 because one is a subcompact and the other is a compact. We need to wait for the SR9sc! And an XDMsc.
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PS: I don't believe you can compare the SR9c to the G26 because one is a subcompact and the other is a compact. We need to wait for the SR9sc! And an XDMsc.
They are in the same market segment, and their measurements are nearly identical -- or close enough anyway.
I would imagine that the entire fullsize/compact/subcompact designations are done by the company and are based on if they offer all three sizes or not (perhaps this is a sign that there will be no mid sized SR9). Sometimes companies often just designate these smaller versions of their full size brethren as concealed carry models and just forgo the entire compact/subcompact thing all together.
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yawn...
smaller sr9, some one will buy if they keep the price down.
327... all hype. other then "hey check this out" it really does not fill any niches. there is nothing it can do that a 38/ 38+p or 357 can't do better. Only time will tell if its still going to be around in the next 10-15 years or will it be basicly a oddity. we all know the 38/357 will still be here and going strong.
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just finished watching the SR9c video on DRTV and I am not in the opinion of the Majority of yall. That is a great idea and awesome response to the customer request. Here in MA, once compliant, it will be a great seller and great addition to the safe. Fantastic for off-body carry. Great two gun set full size for competition and compact for PD. Homerun even if you are disappointed it is not an AK. (Would like that to be unveiled at SHOT please!) As for the two revolvers, good choice also. When competing in SA revolver bulleye , I looked high and low for a 32 blackhawk would love the versitility of any rimmed 32 to boot. With the DA 327 it is a perfect choice for weaker shooters due to genetics, gender, age, life style or lack of effort/laziness. Hope the Pink-camo CT lazer grips come soon, for my wife (peanut gallery). All in all glad to see it but I have realized that more and more people complain about winning the lottery. " awwwwe man now I have to pay the taxes!"
I am glad Ruger want to give time and product to the customer needs and wants. Also an upper For the AR in 300 or 338 RCM or 375 Ruger would be balls man. I can want the impossible also. ;D
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I'm gonna say an expansion of the SR9 line. A compact model...maybe models in .40 or .45.... .380? ..............
Partially right. The .327 slipped up on me. I still think they should produce a 50 BMG .
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Sometimes I think people get confused over why gun companies build guns, which is to make money. The Blackhawk in .327 has the potential to be a marvelous small game/"packing pistol," to borrow a phrase from my friend John Taffin. As far as who'll buy one, I will — and the SA master gunsmiths have been working overtime on .327 conversions on the Blackhawk pattern, so someone wants them. Before that, they were working overtime on 32/20 full-sized Blackhawk conversion.
And before there's a mass "RUGER IS DEAD" orgasm here, I might suggest you look at their stock prices...
Michael B
Demand, Demand, Demand...
And, I've been looking for something unique in a new revolver, and an SA in .327 just might be the thing.
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Demand, Demand, Demand...
And, I've been looking for something unique in a new revolver, and an SA in .327 just might be the thing.
I was hoping to see a normal size 44frame with a factory 5shot 500S&W or 460S&W blackhawk with 3",4",5" barrels. I have shot a few custom Ruger's in 475 and 500 Linbaugh and know the Rugers would stand up to the pressures! But once again I am reminded that there is one more Michael Bane has not told us about.!?.!? 8)
Do not worry We Will not Tell. :-X
The secret is safe with us here. Just make sure that 'fastmover guy' is not lurking to steal the info for his crew. ::)
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The .327 Federal Magnum is not for everyone. Neither is the .357, the .44mag., .25 auto, 416 Rigby, the 12 gauge, or the .410. or any particular cartridge.
The way I look at this is that Federal in partnership with Ruger teamed up to market a modern .32-20. The .32-20 is a good round. What factory loads there are for it are loaded down in deference to old weak revolvers. At one time Ammo makers offered a much hotter load for it. It is a great turkey round and I imagine it would play heck on the coyotes as well. I expect the .327 mag to equal or exceed the .32-20 in performance.
To those that say "what can it do that a .38/.357 can't do" or what ever cartridge you want to name, I say so what. You can say that about any cartridge.
Will it sell? Time will tell.
My ideal SA .327 from Ruger would be a blued steel 5-6 inch barreled small framed flat top with a convertible cylinder in .32-20 with a Bisley grip frame dressed in walnut stocks. A lever action rifle to go with it would be nice too.
I guess that is what custom gunsmiths are for.
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I was hoping to see a normal size 44frame with a factory 5shot 500S&W or 460S&W blackhawk with 3",4",5" barrels. I have shot a few custom Ruger's in 475 and 500 Linbaugh and know the Rugers would stand up to the pressures! But once again I am reminded that there is one more Michael Bane has not told us about.!?.!? 8)
Do not worry We Will not Tell. :-X
The secret is safe with us here. Just make sure that 'fastmover guy' is not lurking to steal the info for his crew. ::)
Yes, Michael... How 'bout that one last gun you've been playing with?????
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I don't care about what caliber it is. As far as I'm concerned they should have thier revolvers available in every caliber anyway.
I'm irritated about the countdown and trying to make this a big deal. It isn't.
And so what, they made a smaller version of a gun they already produce. Just like everyone else. Welcome to the present day.
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Wouldn't it be interesting if the gun industry released data on sales numbers like the movie industry does for new releases? You know, "Finishing up their first three months in the market now, the .327 Blackhawk, and GP100 continue riding the bottom of the charts with 8 combined units sold to world wide." (giveaway guns for reviews and press shouldn't count).
This whole subject / thread / product line just looks to me like Ruger management following footsteps of GM, Chrysler, and Ford. "Out of touch with their market". The "old big 3" got away with it for a while to. :( I'm guessing Obama won't be giving gun companies bail outs when reality hits.
It's just disappointing is all.
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ericire12 you could very well be correct. Didn't compare measurements, just assumed ( and we all know what that means!) it was their mid-size. Will check it out anyway just in case. Also, like I said, I still will wait for the XDM sc because they have decided to put sights on the M versions that are closer to what I am able to use. I hate having to replace sights!
FWIW
Richard
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Ballistics for a .327 Mag. with a 100 grain bullet are identical to 9mm 100 grain. Most 9mm handguns carry twice the number of rounds, are lighter, smaller, easier to find ammo for, FAR cheaper to shoot, and you can get all kinds of carbines in 9mm to share ammo with. If S ever does HTF odds of you finding somebody else to get 9mm ammo from are just a little higher than the .327 (store shelves, second hand sales, whatever).
Makes me think even more .327 was born a white rhino, and will stay one.
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Ballistics for a .327 Mag. with a 100 grain bullet are identical to 9mm 100 grain. Most 9mm handguns carry twice the number of rounds, are lighter, smaller, easier to find ammo for, FAR cheaper to shoot, and you can get all kinds of carbines in 9mm to share ammo with. If S ever does HTF odds of you finding somebody else to get 9mm ammo from are just a little higher than the .327 (store shelves, second hand sales, whatever).
Makes me think even more .327 was born a white rhino, and will stay one.
I think you better take another look at those numbers.
I don't know of too many rounds that approach 1500 FPS and 500 ft/lb of energy from a 9mm ...check the Federal site...
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I think Ruger hit a home run with the .327 Blackhawk...it should appeal to the small-game hunter/woodsman as well as the SASS crowd (if they relax the 6-round rule)....
....and that SR9sc almost makes me regret buying my XDsc a couple of weeks ago....
...but I'm a little dicey about the GP-100...esp. with only a 7-shot cylinder...Ruger should be doing that for the .357Mag and 8-shot cylinders for the .327Mag....and 5-shot cylinders for the .44SPL....
...biggest worry....is Federal/ATK going to ramp up their .327Mag ammo production to support Ruger in selling these guns?....a gun with no ammo is less than useless....just ask the .380ACP gun owners....
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http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Chart_C/AMMUNITION+BALLISTICS+FOR+9mm+Luger+%25289x19mm%2529
9mm 100 grain, 1450fps, 457lb energy with 4" barrel. or 1475fps, 473 with +p ammo.
.327 fired from a 3 1/16" barrel SP101.
* Federal Premium 85 grain Hydra-Shot JHP - MV 1330 fps, ME 334 ft. lbs.
* American Eagle 100 grain SP - MV 1400 fps, ME 435 ft. lbs.
* Speer 115 grain Gold Dot JHP - MV 1300 fps, ME 431 ft. lbs.
How much closer do you want?
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http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/9mm_Luger_PowRBall_Corbon.html
Sporting only a 4" barrel... Please don't use type of bullet as an excuse for .327 to be superior. There are more types of 9mm bullets available than could ever be listed in a single thread.
9 mm = 0.354330" - Permanent wound cavity size? Advantage (though SLIM!) - 9mm
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A fraction of the .357's recoil seems to be the biggest selling point.
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Yeah, I can't say I've ever shot a .357 Magnum next to a 9mm. I'm thinking the 9 is a LOT lighter though. :-\
I don't even own a 9mm. So I'm not defending it. I just think the whole .327 caliber was a weak concept even when that's all it was, a concept. And there's NOTHING wrong with technology and innovation leading to new calibers! LIKE IT! LOVE IT! WANT MORE OF IT! The only technology and innovation I find in the .327 is just marketing hype. :(
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Sometimes I think people get confused over why gun companies build guns, which is to make money. The Blackhawk in .327 has the potential to be a marvelous small game/"packing pistol," to borrow a phrase from my friend John Taffin. As far as who'll buy one, I will — and the SA master gunsmiths have been working overtime on .327 conversions on the Blackhawk pattern, so someone wants them. Before that, they were working overtime on 32/20 full-sized Blackhawk conversion.
I'm already planning 2 hunts for our upcoming handgun hunting show using the .327 Blackhawk (an maybe the SP-101) — coyotes and spring turkey. As a person who carries a single action in the woods on a regular basis, I have no trouble figuring out what it's for. Caleb over at Gun Nuts media pegged the SP-101 7-shooter as a gun appealing to competitors as well as the home defense market, where the SP-101 has carved out an enviable niche over the decades.
And here's a thought on caliber...I didn't jump on the .327 bandwagon at all then the cartridge first appeared, but I have had a change of heart for 2 — one micro and one macro — reasons:
1) I spent a day on the range at GUNSITE comparing .327 and .357 SP-101 snubs with a big variety of personal defense loads.
2) I have a Sweetie who shoots .32 H&R in cowboy.
So let's talk about recoil...I know for a fact that Indiana Jackson can stand on the line and hammer heavy-bullet .32 H&R rounds into center mass all day long. So as a professional self-defense instructor, what should I tell her to do? Man the f^&k up and shoot a caliber with REAL HAIRY BALLS to prove...what? Or should I suggest a caliber that she can shoot and deliver 85-grain Federal Hydra-Shocks into center mass all day long? Remember, I don't believe in the myth of "stopping power"...I believe in lots of holes in the target...the more, the faster, the better.
As far as the SR9c, hey, you like Glock 26s, carry one. I have a Glock 26 that I don't carry because I don't particularly like the grip angle and the grip is a little short for me. One size doesn't actually fit all.
And before there's a mass "RUGER IS DEAD" orgasm here, I might suggest you look at their stock prices...
Michael B
Well said Michael, well said!
I might be considered a Ruger fan boy but I have been expanding my horizon to the Smith & Wesson M&P15-22 and just today a CZ452 Full Stock in .22lr(Love it more than my Ruger 10/22 target model, but not as much as my Mark III Hunter).
I love to shoot and the cheaper it is to shoot the better. It's just shooting in general that I love, the more I can shoot the better off I am. My favorites are .22lr's and shooting clays with my beretta 12 ga over-under.
Both are cheap to shoot and a lot of fun.
I do own one gun that is extremely expensive to shoot and it's my LCP. Love the gun to death but when a local store has tons of .380 ammo on the shelves for $40(it's the crappy made ammo as well). I've only shot about 200 rounds through it because it will be my carry gun real soon(taking CCW course within a month).
All I have to say is this:
LCP, LCR, SR-556, and now the SR9c. I don't see how Ruger is going down hill when they are releasing quality firearms for the masses.
I don't need to say any more because I have shot all of them and will own them all very soon. The next in line will be the SR-556, SR9c, then the LCR.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would love to own this whole line-up and I'm sure a lot of people already do.
I had high hopes that Ruger would release a 1911 model pistol at SHOT show but it appears their won't be one.
Ruger FTW, lol.