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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on December 31, 2009, 08:59:05 AM
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-guns30-2009dec30,0,7069673.story
And sure enough, scores of people lined up to turn in various weapons in exchange for retail and supermarket gift cards.
But they were surprised at the man who pulled up in a sport utility vehicle with 58 guns -- mostly handguns but also some assault weapons. Dressed in a sweat shirt and jeans, the man offered his cache in a nonchalant fashion.
As is the policy for such events, deputies asked no questions and eagerly took the guns. They don't know the man's name, and the donor declined to comment to The Times. After unloading his guns, the man received several thousand dollars in gift cards and drove away.
"That should feed someone for a year or two," said Lt. Anthony Lucia. "There were a lot of the kind of weapons used in robberies. We don't know his identity. We don't know if he is a gun dealer or what."
The Compton exchange Tuesday garnered 232 guns, all of which will be destroyed.
Gee, makes ya wonder, doesnt it. ::) ::) ::)
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So they just destroy them? How sad. :(
Although it is a great way to have the cops get rid of the evidence for you (and you get gift cards to boot - Bonus!).
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Wonder what he could have gotten in Mexico? ;D
FQ13
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Wonder what he could have gotten in Mexico? ;D
FQ13
Tickets to a donkey show, diarrhea, and horny college girls
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Tickets to a donkey show, diarrhea, and horny college girls
I'll take horny college girls for $1000 Alex. ;)
FQ13
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So the cops just let a burglar fence his loot to the taypayer.
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So the cops just let a burglar fence his loot to the taypayer.
Yes, but they are off the street..... the ends justifies the means..... ::)
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Yes, but they are off the street..... the ends justifies the means..... ::)
He's out to steal some more guns and break into some more houses to get ready for the next buyback.
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He's out to steal some more guns and break into some more houses to get ready for the next buyback.
Nah, I dont think criminals are stealing guns to get paid at buybacks..... All buybacks are primarily accomplishing is getting unused, low dollar guns out of the closets of law abiding citizens..... and of course allowing criminals to dispose of evidence without fear of reprisal.
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one would think you could get more cash for a gun on the street then you would at a buy back. For all we know he might have been the legal owner. I know a few guys that have bought a bunch of cheap surplus guns then gone to these buy backs and made a profit.
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Maybe when they run the numbers on the guns, some, rightful owners that were broken into and had their guns stolen, returned to them. Wishful thinking but one never knows.
He can't get arrested for having I'm sure what was stolen property, but hey it's Compton...you can get another gun in 5 minutes for $100.
and yes, I'll take horny college girls for $1000, Alex.... ;)
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Most of the gun exchange stories include that the guns will be checked to see if they match a crime (must fire and compare bullets) and if they are stolen. If they are stolen the original owner can claim them. Anything not determined to be stolen or used in a crime is then destroyed ... What a waste of guns >:(
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My guess is that he did not buy any of those guns, some relative has suffered a terrible loss at the hands of a liberal do gooder family member. Or the widow of a shooter just got hosed out of a lot of money.
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What empowers LEOs to grant immunity to law breakers in order to stage a PR event? It would seem to me that in most states a "no questions asked" buy back program would require a specific exemption by the legislative branch.
Yeah, it's an "end justifies means" event.
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What empowers LEOs to grant immunity to law breakers in order to stage a PR event? It would seem to me that in most states a "no questions asked" buy back program would require a specific exemption by the legislative branch.
Yeah, it's an "end justifies means" event.
Samn good question - are LEOs exempt from running NCIS checks? Otherwise I would think it is an illegal transfer of a firearm.
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What empowers LEOs to grant immunity to law breakers in order to stage a PR event? It would seem to me that in most states a "no questions asked" buy back program would require a specific exemption by the legislative branch.
Yeah, it's an "end justifies means" event.
Samn good question - are LEOs exempt from running NCIS checks? Otherwise I would think it is an illegal transfer of a firearm.
All damn good questions.
I would think that someone would have to approve the event..... perhaps it falls on the legislative branch and there is some specific law that allows it or perhaps a district attorney has to sign off on it. I would like to see this persued further.
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So...how about me as a private citizen offering say...$125 for "assault weapons", $100 for long gun centerfires with scopes, $75 for long gun centerfires without scopes, $75 for polymer pistols with lasers and $50 for any other pistol and $50 for rimfires. I can't offer immunity, but I can say that I will follow all laws, rules and file all necessary papework (none..just a red herring) for a legal transfer for citizens of my state for say...$2,000 total pie.
I am not doing this as a business and simply want to pick up guns legally and cheap.
Legal...not legal...whaddya' think? I think legal as long as not a business.
I also film all the people and the transfer and keep it in the safe along with that guns serial numbers.
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So...how about me as a private citizen offering say...$125 for "assault weapons", $100 for long gun centerfires with scopes, $75 for long gun centerfires without scopes, $75 for polymer pistols with lasers and $50 for any other pistol and $50 for rimfires. I can't offer immunity, but I can say that I will follow all laws, rules and file all necessary papework (none..just a red herring) for a legal transfer for citizens of my state for say...$2,000 total pie.
I am not doing this as a business and simply want to pick up guns legally and cheap.
Legal...not legal...whaddya' think? I think legal as long as not a business.
I also film all the people and the transfer and keep it in the safe along with that guns serial numbers.
If you have a gun safe to keep them in, then you could also make the case that you are "getting them off the street", and thus get govt funding for your "buyback".
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So...how about me as a private citizen offering say...$125 for "assault weapons", $100 for long gun centerfires with scopes, $75 for long gun centerfires without scopes, $75 for polymer pistols with lasers and $50 for any other pistol and $50 for rimfires. I can't offer immunity, but I can say that I will follow all laws, rules and file all necessary papework (none..just a red herring) for a legal transfer for citizens of my state for say...$2,000 total pie.
I am not doing this as a business and simply want to pick up guns legally and cheap.
Legal...not legal...whaddya' think? I think legal as long as not a business.
I also film all the people and the transfer and keep it in the safe along with that guns serial numbers.
We talked about that before. Set up a table across the street and offer double what the "buy back" was. If it was a good gun, buy it. If it was a POS, send it over to the other guys. ;D
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Private sale regulations (if any ) would apply. BUYING has nothing to do with a business so no ATF jurisdiction.
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Private sale regulations (if any ) would apply. BUYING has nothing to do with a business so no ATF jurisdiction.
That's what am thinking. Just think about all of the neat guys you could get real cheap. That tiered pay schedule needs a bit more work, but that's the way to go. You get a real clunker you take it to a copy buyback and keep yourself whole...maybe make a buck or two.
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That's what am thinking. Just think about all of the neat guys you could get real cheap. That tiered pay schedule needs a bit more work, but that's the way to go. You get a real clunker you take it to a copy buyback and keep yourself whole...maybe make a buck or two.
This actually gave me an amusing idea. Given that buying from a private seller is perfectly legal with no paperwork, why not set up a competing booth right next to the police? Offer $50 more per gun if you want them. Just think of how many cops heads you could make explode and how much press you could get. ;D ;D ;D
FQ13
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That's what am thinking. Just think about all of the neat guys you could get real cheap. That tiered pay schedule needs a bit more work, but that's the way to go. You get a real clunker you take it to a copy buyback and keep yourself whole...maybe make a buck or two.
I like girls. ;D
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I like girls. ;D
MUST NOT COMMENT...(Freud? Rastus? Protest too much?cough!).. NOT COMMENTING..NOT COMMENTING, NOT COMMENTING, NOT COMMENTING. ;D ;D ;D
FQ13, who ever said I didn't do a Christian brother a good deed? Just kidding Rastus ;)
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This actually gave me an amusing idea. Given that buying from a private seller is perfectly legal with no paperwork, why not set up a competing booth right next to the police? Offer $50 more per gun if you want them. Just think of how many cops heads you could make explode and how much press you could get. ;D ;D ;D
FQ13
Hey FQ13,
That gun buy back was in CA.....all hand gun sales have to go through FFL.
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MUST NOT COMMENT...(Freud? Rastus? Protest too much?cough!).. NOT COMMENTING..NOT COMMENTING, NOT COMMENTING, NOT COMMENTING. ;D ;D ;D
FQ13, who ever said I didn't do a Christian brother a good deed? Just kidding Rastus ;)
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All in good fun. I respect Rastus, I don't agree with him, but I do respect the man. He says what he believes and stands by it. Same with Tom and Peg. I'll give them hell, but there will always be a smiley.
FQ13
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To follow up on the idea proposed here, if you did set up a competing table to the LEOs and city mopes, regardless of the location, is there anyone here who does not think that a case would be made by the city that the competing table was a de facto business and therefore required to process NCIS checks through an FFL? If the LEOs are conducting a "program" (i.e., a periodic business) to collect guns, then consider:
- Place of business - a single or small number of locations to conduct the business
- Advertising the business
- Paid staff (in the case of the city program)
- Indiscriminate purchasing any any firearm brought in
The only saving grace for the competing table would be to reject some/many of the guns as not collectible, thereby establishing a basis for it being a true private sale.
State laws may vary, Federal laws do not.
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Sorry folks, I must have had a major
brain fart adult moment.
Even if you sell a gun to an individual, or even to a gun shop, you as the seller do not ever have to go through an FFL or run an NCIS check. I know there are states that are trying to force this (and there may be some that actually do require this, mine doesn't), and of course there is also the proposed so-called Federal "gun show loophole" legislation. But these are not in force yet.
(in my best Emily Litella imitation) Nevermind!
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Rastus,
Depending on your community or state I would expect a search warrant if you did this. A liberal community, a liberal LE, a liberal DA and a liberal judge would be able build a case that you purchased stolen guns or guns used in a crime. I wouldn't even necessarily take all to be liberal, but good judges will find themselves handcuffed by case law and unable to stop things if done correctly.
Once they figured out what you were up to, your "customers" would be video taped and photographed for identification.
Regardless of business transaction or private sale, if a gun you bought was found to be evidence or stolen you would lose it. Evidence - I would expect most if not all of the guns to be confiscated during the warrant for testing.
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Great commentary here (with video of local news report) and some great questions asked about the whole stupidity of these events. Its a good read.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m12d31-No-questions-at-Compton-gift-cards-for-guns-event-raises-questions