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Title: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: twyacht on January 01, 2010, 10:29:54 AM
Agree? Disagree? Add one or two?

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/ammunition/2009/12/petzal-rifle-shootings-10-most-significant-developments-decade

December 31, 2009

Petzal: Rifle Shooting's 10 Most Significant Developments of the Decade

Generally speaking, it’s a shame we can’t--in the words of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson--take the past decade, pound it into a bottle, and set it adrift in the China current. But in the world of rifles, by and large, it’s been nothing but good news. Herewith, the most significant developments of 2000-2010, not in order of importance.

1. The transmogrification of the AR-15 into a bona-fide sporting rifle and an industry unto itself.

2. Hornady’s emergence as a major player and a major innovator in the ammunition biz.

3. Ten years ago, I thought that sporting optics had reached a state of perfection beyond which it could not go. Boy, was I wrong.

4. Long-range shooting comes of age. Four hundred yards is the new 300 yards, and 500 is on the way. We have the accuracy, the optical gear, and the ammo. Now all we need are enough ranges where you can  shoot at these distances.

5. The resurgence of the lever-action. Has anyone noticed that Marlin is building lever guns that give away nothing to bolt-actions?

6. Rifle of the Decade—the Marlin XL-7. The best working gun, for the least money, in the history of Western Man.

7. The general level of accuracy in factory rifles. I can name you four, for under $500, that will shoot MOA or better.

8. The Supreme Court’s Keller decision.  Article II lives!

9.  Savage, which is changing from a company that makes inexpensive rifles that shoot very well to a company that makes very sophisticated rifles that will shoot with damn near anything regardless of price.

10. Barack Obama and his coterie of gun haters, who have sold more firearms, ammo, and components than even Bubba Clinton.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 01, 2010, 10:44:51 AM
 Think that's pretty accurate although I would have tried to fit in the "Rise of the Polymer pistol" somewhere
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: CJS3 on January 01, 2010, 11:35:51 AM
 ::) The decade's not over for another year.
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: Timothy on January 01, 2010, 11:45:40 AM
::) The decade's not over for another year.

Yes it is CJ,

0 to 9 is ten years......
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: CJS3 on January 01, 2010, 12:15:47 PM
Yes it is CJ,

0 to 9 is ten years......

The decade doesn't start with year 0, it starts with year 1. The beginning of the first millinium didn't start with the year 0. The 20th century wasn't called that because all of it's years were prefixed with 19. It was called that because it ended with 20. Just like the fisrt 10 years of the 21 century end with the number 10.

You've been watching too much television, instead of paying attention in math class.
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 01, 2010, 12:26:32 PM
Plus 10 on the optics. I never thought I would trust my life to something that took batteries. I considered them a toy for paintball and airguns. Then I found Eo-tech. Its a whole new world in optics, and one of the truly revolutionary developments that ranks right up there with polymer pistols.
FQ13
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: Timothy on January 01, 2010, 12:52:37 PM
The decade doesn't start with year 0, it starts with year 1. The beginning of the first millinium didn't start with the year 0. The 20th century wasn't called that because all of it's years were prefixed with 19. It was called that because it ended with 20. Just like the fisrt 10 years of the 21 century end with the number 10.

You've been watching too much television, instead of paying attention in math class.

While we agree that the Gregorian calender and Greenwich Mean Time starts this millenium on January 1, 2001, any number of years equaliing 10 is still a decade..TW did not specify which 10 years...

Sarcasm was always my best subject.....
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: ericire12 on January 01, 2010, 12:53:04 PM
* +1 for the polymer pistol revolution -- and throw in the LCR and the Blackhawk II now also

*Lasers are now everywhere

*The pocket pistol wars -- brought on by the cramming of steroids into the little .380

*Everybody and their momma going out and getting CWPs

*Put Long range hunting right next to long range shooting on the list -- Its nothing to take a 300 yard shot on a deer now days.

*The rise of .22 conversions for nearly every firearm on the market

*Getting out from under the Clinton AWB
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: ericire12 on January 01, 2010, 01:09:43 PM
BTW, you dumbasses (with all due respect) that are complaining about when a decade does and does not end...... complain here:

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/ammunition/2009/12/petzal-rifle-shootings-10-most-significant-developments-decade
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 01, 2010, 10:39:14 PM
* +1 for the polymer pistol revolution -- and throw in the LCR and the Blackhawk II now also

*
Et tu Eric? A polymer GP 100 I can see, but a Blackhawk? What are you thinking?
FQ13
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: Tyler Durden on January 01, 2010, 10:58:41 PM
Collapsible buttstocks for the AR's

Folding buttstocks for other guns

Quad rails for AR's forearms (without those, could Surefire sell as many flashlights and other accessories)

The changing of the attitude that the proliferation of CCW permits doesn't actually yield a Wild West mentality and that there is NOT actually blood in the streets.

Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: m25operator on January 01, 2010, 11:39:40 PM
Won't mean much to a lot of you but over the counter 5, 10 and 20 moa scope bases. If you ever tried your even high dollar scope did not have enough elevation to reach 1k yard, unless you shimmed the crap out of it to reach a hundred yard 0 with the elevation at the lowest position.

2) The lightest guns in the biggest calibers ever imagined and they are still trying.

3) The Cowboy action shooters elevation of the pump and levergun  shooting, technique and technology. I don't shoot that discipline, but I do know talent when I see it, and they got it. Not to mention the SA shooting, but to me that is just skill and technique, that could have been done a hundred yrs ago, and probably did.

4) Accessory rails on pistols, and now revolvers.

5) The equipment we can attach to these rails, aforementioned lasers, weapon lights, combo of both, and now a BAYONET,  for a handgun???????????????
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 01, 2010, 11:55:41 PM
5) The equipment we can attach to these rails, aforementioned lasers, weapon lights, combo of both, and now a BAYONET,  for a handgun???????????????
I think the latter is not so much an "advance" as it is a founding exhibit in the (as yet to be completed) Ripleys WTF? Museum. I may be dating myself, but a "pistol bayonet" was a K-bar or Randall held in the left hand. But hey, thats just me. ;D
FQ13
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 02, 2010, 12:36:12 AM
 It actually is a play on an old percussion revolver, six shots, a bayonet and the grip was a set of brass knuckles, IIRC there was another from the same era that had a folding blade bayonet.
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: Pathfinder on January 02, 2010, 07:07:43 AM
Et tu Eric? A polymer GP 100 I can see, but a Blackhawk? What are you thinking?
FQ13

Geez, you can't even spell correctly in Latin either? The correct form is "et te, Eric?" I know, Shakespeare got it wrong too, but that's still no excuse.

Besides English and Latin, how many other languages are you illiterate in?    ;D
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: Pathfinder on January 02, 2010, 07:12:07 AM
I think the latter is not so much an "advance" as it is a founding exhibit in the (as yet to be completed) Ripleys WTF? Museum. I may be dating myself, but a "pistol bayonet" was a K-bar or Randall held in the left hand. But hey, thats just me. ;D
FQ13

It actually is a play on an old percussion revolver, six shots, a bayonet and the grip was a set of brass knuckles, IIRC there was another from the same era that had a folding blade bayonet.

The concept goes way back farther than either of these. I have seen photos of devices that were essentially a small cutlass with a flintlock pistol attached. 17th-18th Century IIRC.
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: ericire12 on January 02, 2010, 08:26:07 AM
Et tu Eric? A polymer GP 100 I can see, but a Blackhawk? What are you thinking?
FQ13

It is changing what we know revolvers to be.... you may not personally like the aesthetics, but this is a major leap forward, and it will drastically reduce the price point for super light weight carry revolvers.
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: ericire12 on January 02, 2010, 08:28:20 AM
Geez, you can't even spell correctly in Latin either? The correct form is "et te, Eric?" I know, Shakespeare got it wrong too, but that's still no excuse.

Besides English and Latin, how many other languages are you illiterate in?    ;D

Thank God he is a Teacher ::)
Title: Re: Top 10 Gun/Rifle/Ammo Developments Of Last Decade..
Post by: JdePietro on January 02, 2010, 09:25:07 AM
1. The transmogrification of the AR-15 into a bona-fide sporting rifle and an industry unto itself.

More importantly how about all the new rifles that are coming out because of the cons of the AR platform?

2. Hornady’s emergence as a major player and a major innovator in the ammunition biz.

I'll agree but personally I think the bigger story is what the foreign guys are bringing to the table.

3. Ten years ago, I thought that sporting optics had reached a state of perfection beyond which it could not go. Boy, was I wrong.

No argument there.

4. Long-range shooting comes of age. Four hundred yards is the new 300 yards, and 500 is on the way. We have the accuracy, the optical gear, and the ammo. Now all we need are enough ranges where you can  shoot at these distances.

Eh, I don't know about that./color]

5. The resurgence of the lever-action. Has anyone noticed that Marlin is building lever guns that give away nothing to bolt-actions?

Lets not forget about single action revolvers too.

6. Rifle of the Decade—the Marlin XL-7. The best working gun, for the least money, in the history of Western Man.

Sponsor? There is nothing inovative about that rifle.

7. The general level of accuracy in factory rifles. I can name you four, for under $500, that will shoot MOA or better.

8. The Supreme Court’s Keller decision.  Article II lives!
Heller


9.  Savage, which is changing from a company that makes inexpensive rifles that shoot very well to a company that makes very sophisticated rifles that will shoot with damn near anything regardless of price.

10. Barack Obama and his coterie of gun haters, who have sold more firearms, ammo, and components than even Bubba Clinton.

Happy New Year!


All that aside I would add.

The resurgence of the M14 platform now found in many delicious flavors. The polymer revolution that is sweaping PD's and Special agencies world wide, and lest we forget the up coming cases involving Chicago and San Fran.