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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Ulmus on January 06, 2010, 03:11:42 PM
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With all the anger and distrust towards the regular politicians do you think that there will be a lot of people running under the Tea Party brand this year?
If so, who do you see running under that brand?
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I doubt it.
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Maybe not Tea Party, but I can definitely see people looking to public office moving away from 'Republican' or 'Democrat', mainly new office seekers though.
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As long as NO INCUMBENTS are re-elected.
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There is no UNIFIED Tea Party. Here in Colorado, different chapters seem to be centered around different parts of the 9/12 tenants. Some chapters seem to be conservative republicans, others libertarians. We had a chapter protest a Republican candidate because she wasn't Conservative enough.
So, what IS the Tea Party? What is their platform? What is their stand on all the issues?
The deck is stacked against any third party candidate being elected, and if elected, she will find herself with less power in office than a R or D official.
I wish it were otherwise...
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That 3rd party candidate needs to get on the Intelligence committee and make friends with the spooks. They know all the USEFUL stuff ;D
Ever wonder why J Edgar Hoover stayed running the FBI for 50 years ? ;D
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That 3rd party candidate needs to get on the Intelligence committee and make friends with the spooks. They know all the USEFUL stuff ;D
Ever wonder why J Edgar Hoover stayed running the FBI for 50 years ? ;D
U B rite Mr. Bogan. And I would surmise that the current administration and congressional leadership have no true friends in the intelligence community. My experience being on the periphery of some of those guys makes me think there's more than one expose' on the way.
Who released the pics of the Russian missiles in Cuba to the news media in the early 60's....Little Bo Peep?
I don't think there will be a unified Tea Party...but there will be a Tea Party faction or movement that may move the party to the right.
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That 3rd party candidate needs to get on the Intelligence committee and make friends with the spooks. They know all the USEFUL stuff ;D
Ever wonder why J Edgar Hoover stayed running the FBI for 50 years ? ;D
Because he had blackmail material on pretty much everyone until LBJ mentioned the words "cross dressing coke addict". The thing is, a third party is as useful as a glass hammer (Libertarian here, I know whereof I speak). A movement IN party, be it blacks with the Dems or the Religious Right in the GOP, can make a huge difference. The tea bagers need an organization and a plan. Then potential energy can become applied energy, otherwise its a fart in a windstorm.
FQ13
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FQ, you aren't very well informed. There were never any Coke allegations against Hoover, the cross dressing was a KGB active measure because he was very efficient about busting their spies after they realized how badly the Manhattan Project had been infiltrated. The FBI is the reason that they KGB could only maintain one illegal agent in the US for any length of time and he did not really amount to much, The greatest accomplishment of Vilyam Fisher (AKA Rudolph Abel, codename MARK ) was not becoming an alcoholic.
I will also point out that as usual your facts are wrong, Hoover was in Office long after Johnson was gone.
And of course he had blackmail materiel on everybody in Washington, that was the whole point of my post :o
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FQ, you aren't very well informed. There were never any Coke allegations against Hoover, the cross dressing was a KGB active measure because he was very efficient about busting their spies after they realized how badly the Manhattan Project had been infiltrated. The FBI is the reason that they KGB could only maintain one illegal agent in the US for any length of time and he did not really amount to much, The greatest accomplishment of Vilyam Fisher (AKA Rudolph Abel, codename MARK ) was not becoming an alcoholic.
I will also point out that as usual your facts are wrong, Hoover was in Office long after Johnson was gone.
And of course he had blackmail materiel on everybody in Washington, that was the whole point of my post :o
Sorry Tom, but you are wrong here. Harry Anslinger, the head of the FBN (Federal Bureau of Narcotics), the predesesor to the DEA, was on record supplying coke to Hoover. And Hoover, he had his kinks, doesn't mean he was wrong or stupid, just that he had dagerous hobbies for a man in his positon at that time in our history.
FQ13
FQ13
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You mean the "Harry Anslinger" who made a career of lying about the effects and statistics on use of some drugs to avoid unemployment after Prohibition was ended ?
From the Mitrokhin file of KGB archives (The Sword and the Shield pg 234 last paragraph - pg 235 ) "Service A (of the KGB First Chief Directorate ) employed 3 simple and sometimes crude techniques. The first was to portray Hoover as in league with extremists such as the ultra right John Birch Society,....
A second, more sophisticated form of active measure concerned alleged FBI abuses of civil rights.....
A third line of attack deployed by Service A against Hoover was to accuse him of being a homosexual. ....
Later much publicized claims that he was a gay cross dresser..... rest on nothing more than the discredited testimony of a convicted perjurer, Susan Rosenstiel, .... Nor is there any evidence that Hoover and his deputy, Clyde Tolson , ... ever had a homosexual relationship.
This information is confirmed through the US "Venona" radio intercepts, I don't have that book in front of my to quote page numbers though.
You need a better education FQ, the one you got sucks.
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Tom,
The shame of it all is that we have a huge nation educated by Hollywood, fascist-liberal news media and leftist idealogues (politicians) who have an interest in agenda and truth becomes what they want it to be. Lies clothed in an apparition of truth that falls upon the minds and eyes of those who gobble knowledge without smelling it first.
Clinging to deception as an avenue to self-elevation by leaning on the foundation of a people pleasing cocktail concensus of absolute faith in knowledge based upon easy, mindless, acceptance of that which is not so. How else could that which is good be bad and that which is bad become good where the truth is a lie and a lie is the foundation of "all truths" to be lorded upon us simpletons who dare to think and challenge the tripe of the thieves of liberty.
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FQ, you aren't very well informed.
Tom, that kinda sums it all up. FQ isn't much of a libertarian (small l) or a Libertarian (cap L), either. He's a big government lefty. I mean, I like him enough, and he seems to be a great guy except that he did vote for Odamna (no Libertarian worth a bucket of warm spit would have done that). And, if he really thinks he's a libertarian, he suffers from severe delusions and may require an intervention. THAT could be fun.
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Tom, that kinda sums it all up. FQ isn't much of a libertarian (small l) or a Libertarian (cap L), either. He's a big government lefty. I mean, I like him enough, and he seems to be a great guy except that he did vote for Odamna (no Libertarian worth a bucket of warm spit would have done that). And, if he really thinks he's a libertarian, he suffers from severe delusions and may require an intervention. THAT could be fun.
You seem like a decent guy too crusader. Thing is this. I started out all hard core libertarian. Then life happened, studying politics and studying history happened. The lesson learned from all three boils down to this. NEVER trust any ideology (insert your favorite or least favorite here). We need them to give us a basic grounding, but none have all the answers, you have to improvise as you go. They say economics is "the dismal science". They lie, economics actually promises prosperity if done right. Politics is the true dismal science as 9 times out of 10 it makes us choose the least bad option.
FQ13 Who calls himself libertarian because the hopeful cynics don't have a party. I mean, it could work, but whats the point really, some dumb greedy bastard would just screw it up. ;D ;D ;D
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You seem like a decent guy too crusader. Thing is this. I started out all hard core libertarian. Then life happened, studying politics and studying history happened. The lesson learned from all three boils down to this. NEVER trust any ideology (insert your favorite or least favorite here). We need them to give us a basic grounding, but none have all the answers, you have to improvise as you go. They say economics is "the dismal science". They lie, economics actually promises prosperity if done right. Politics is the true dismal science as 9 times out of 10 it makes us choose the least bad option.
FQ13 Who calls himself libertarian because the hopeful cynics don't have a party. I mean, it could work, but whats the point really, some dumb greedy bastard would just screw it up. ;D ;D ;D
To bad you only swallowed the propaganda instead of actually LEARNING any thing from it. History holds all the answers to the present if you ignore the spin and actually THINK about the facts.
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Allright FQ, I once wrote that I leaned more libertarian than anything else, but the support of abortion kept me from being a true kool aid drinker, not to mention they are hard to get elected, but sometimes you get lucky. As I remember, you lambasted me for that view. Now your talking RIGHT, no party is perfect, no ideology is pure, unless your willing to ignore aspects that don't make sense and just take the individual candidate to task, after all He or She is going to represent you and your beliefs, not the party, irrespective of what party that is.
Back on thread, I don't think there will be a Tea PARTY, just people from the events, bringing questions about everything that is going on in DC. I think it will be conservative, and a lot of vote the bums out, and a lot of new candidates running, and old candidates with their feet being held to the fire.
Tom B educated me on this one, but I will say it again, the only thing that will allow a 3rd party or 4th party, in, is the winner has to win 50+ % of the vote, if not, then a run off, between the top 2 candidates until someone reaches 50+. I now understand in country wide politics, this is unconstitutional, and I doubt we could get either the house or the senate to change this, it's way too fair. >:(
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I agree Operator, and as far as the post in question (I don't remember it) I will say this. I'm not on this board to preach, but to learn. Its amazing what happens when you really listen to folks you THOUGHT you disagreed with. :-\
FQ13
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I don't care about any of the Partys, let's just vote them all out. I think we all can agree on that.