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Title: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on January 09, 2010, 03:56:57 PM
I'm putting this video right here.. Because EVERYONE needs to take a moment.. stop whatever they are doing and watch this! IN fact.. after you watch it.. go get your family members and make them watch it.. Once you see it.. it will be in your head forever ( And it should be)
Then take this link and start sending it to everyone you know that you love and care about.. Let me tell you~~~ I was shaking and crying before I got through it!
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: PegLeg45 on January 09, 2010, 04:12:14 PM
WOW! That brought back a few memories.
I had an old friend who was hit, while jogging, by a drunk driver at 9:00 in the morning (yep, drunk at 9AM!!) and a good friend lost his 12 year old son who was hit by a drunk while riding his bicycle to the mailbox.
I have also been eye-witness to and, for lack of a better term, 'first responder' to a bunch of similar accidents (I feel it is a civic duty to render aid when possible).
That video was a raw jolt, but a necessary wake-up......I will be passing it on to all my friends....THANKS!!!!
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Post by: twyacht on January 09, 2010, 04:29:11 PM
Very powerful, and sobering. Literally. I did notice that much of that was European. They take drunk driving much more seriously than here in America.
The penalties far and beyond are tougher. In Sweden if your caught you lose your license permanently, and no lawyer will change that. First offense.
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Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 09, 2010, 04:55:04 PM
Very powerful, and sobering. Literally. I did notice that much of that was European. They take drunk driving much more seriously than here in America.
The penalties far and beyond are tougher. In Sweden if your caught you lose your license permanently, and no lawyer will change that. First offense.
Its .03 over there too. A friend works for Absolut and it was made clear that if he got a DUI anywhere in the world (he's based in Fl. but sells to the Carribean) whether it was a company trip or not, he was canned. I honestly don't know how bars stay open with that low a limit. I mean honestly, two beers and you're over. Must be good for package stores though. FQ13
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: twyacht on January 09, 2010, 05:06:25 PM
While in Scotland, England, Wales, in the 90's, I partied big time with the locals. Pub hopping was the norm, BUT cabs were the rule.
These "blokes" left their cars at home, and took cabs to town.
Walking was option 2. The "Bobbies" would rather see you buzzing on your feet, walking downtown, than ever getting near a steering wheel.
The only issue in the states is rural areas, cabs aren't feasible or cost effective. So it comes down to maturity, responsibility, and get a freakin designated driver.
In NC, our DD was treated to dinner, if you told the bartender this is our DD, they usually drank free soda/coffee, and kept us out of trouble, and got us the hell home safely.
Now I'm too old for that crap, can't afford it, and enjoy my adult beverages at home.
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Post by: PegLeg45 on January 09, 2010, 05:13:01 PM
Very powerful, and sobering. Literally. I did notice that much of that was European. They take drunk driving much more seriously than here in America.
The penalties far and beyond are tougher. In Sweden if your caught you lose your license permanently, and no lawyer will change that. First offense.
:o :o :o :o Mate Australia is not Europe ;D although we do seem of late to import a lot of Eurotrash idea's and their people. :-X
FYI Australia has been running these type of adverts for quite anumber of years, initially it proved quite successful with a steady decline over a number of years, the stats now show it levelling off and actually starting to increase again. I am not statistician (heaven forbid) however my theory is that now people are becoming immune to such a bombardment of adverts and tuning out. While police have increased speed camera's, breath and drug testing, etc it seems mainly done in areas not that are so called black spots or known to be hazerdous but in areas to raise revenue.
*The below image is a snapshot for October going back 10 years, you can see the trend quite easily.
Xmas road stats - (this is where the advertising and police presence is more than any time of year) 2009/10 National Road toll during the 2009/10 Christmas/New Year Period (20 December 2009 to 3rd January 2010)
0 Australian Capital Territory. Same as last year 23 New South Wales. Up 12 from last year 1 Northern Territory, Down by 3 from last year 12 Queensland. Same as last year 3 South Australia. Up 2 from last year 4 Tasmania. Up 3 from last year 17 Victoria. Up 1 from last year 8 Western Australia. Down by 4 from last year 68 Total 2008/09 National Road toll during the 2008/09 Christmas/New Year Period (19 December 2008 to 2 January 2009)
0 Australian Capital Territory 11 New South Wales 4 Northern Territory 12 Queensland 1 South Australia 1 Tasmania 16 Victoria 12 Western Australia 57 Total 2007/08 National Road toll during the 2008/09 Christmas/New Year Period (21 December 2007 to 4 January 2008)
2 Australian Capital Territory 8 New South Wales 1 Northern Territory 5 Queensland 2 South Australia 1 Tasmania 17 Victoria 12 Western Australia 48 Total
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 09, 2010, 05:44:31 PM
These things go in waves. Its very much a generational thing. Its like drugs. In the sixties and seventies it was the norm. By the eighties, it was no longer so much fun and people saw the downside. The Boomers kids were bombarded by adds and they more or less worked. In the nineties though, drug use went up again as the real life examples of why this was a bad idea (crack houses and such) faded out of view and they started to see the adverts as "Reefer Madness" version 100.6. Its the same with DUI. New laws, public awareness, SADD chapters in high schools etc.. Now its ho hum. America's urban (lack of) planning doesn't help either. We drive everywhere because we have to with urban sprawl. So hopping a cab or catching a subway (which don't exist most places) isn't someting thats ingrained in us. I lived three years in DC without a car or really needing one, zero excuse for DUI. Here in Fl., without a car, you're screwed. People make bad choices because they don't see an easy alternative. The best you can do is remind them that cab fare is a whole lot cheaper than a DUI no matter how much it costs. FQ13 who does his drinking at home these days. I guess TW, Peg and I are officially old farts.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: ellis4538 on January 09, 2010, 06:08:29 PM
Did a lot of D&D going thru my divorce. Don't know how I didn't end up a part of some commercial but I guess I was lucky! Brings back memories I don't like. Do most of my drinking at home now or not at all because of all the meds I take. In Ohio there are special plates for those who are caught DWI. Unfortunately the courts don't do enough to those who get caught...too many 5+ time offenders still driving who have never seen the inside of a jail cell.
Richard
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: crusader rabbit on January 09, 2010, 09:27:38 PM
As I watched this video, it came to mind that many of us on this site are CCW licensed. That fact alone suggests that many of us have willingly assumed the role of "sheep dog" rather than the role of "sheeple." As voluntary protectors of our selves, our families and our bretheren, we are obligated to eliminate or minimize risks, as or wherever we see it. It also means we should see it. That may mean taking the car keys of our fellows who may have had a bit more than necessary, or providing a couch when needed, or having a sober talk the following day when and if required. This video has been an excellent reminder that, in many ways, we are our brothers' keeper. Thanks, M'ette, for keeping us all alert.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 09, 2010, 11:00:14 PM
As I watched this video, it came to mind that many of us on this site are CCW licensed. That fact alone suggests that many of us have willingly assumed the role of "sheep dog" rather than the role of "sheeple." As voluntary protectors of our selves, our families and our bretheren, we are obligated to eliminate or minimize risks, as or wherever we see it. It also means we should see it. That may mean taking the car keys of our fellows who may have had a bit more than necessary, or providing a couch when needed, or having a sober talk the following day when and if required. This video has been an excellent reminder that, in many ways, we are our brothers' keeper. Thanks, M'ette, for keeping us all alert.
Well said. When I was younger, I still wouldn't drive drunk, but I would get into the car with someone who was. This was a BS, cowardly position, but I was a teenager and didn't realize it. Now I do. I WILL take the keys from a friend and pay for their cab if I have to, rather than ask if they're sober enough to "aim" the car straight. (I often wondered how teenagers can know everything and be so damn stupid at the same time. I guess I just answered my wn question.) :-\ Thing is, as Crusader points out, the CCW helps. It reminds me I can't have more than one of anything if I'm carrying, and if I think I'm too impared to carry I shouldn't be driving either. So if I do go out to a nice dinner where I will have a drink and some wine with my meal I leave the gun and car keys at home and take a cab. Its the best $40 you'll ever spend. FQ13
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 09, 2010, 11:42:10 PM
My half brother was in a drunk driving accident in Fla. in the late 90's, He is due to get out of jail soon, and personally I think he deserved every day of it. The lady in the other car will NEVER be getting released from her wheel chair.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: Texas_Bryan on January 10, 2010, 12:24:58 AM
Cool, and emotional, video. Don't ever booze without knowing that there is a place to sleep it off, just ain't worth it. Never been too worried about getting hurt in automobile accidents, but the knowledge that my negligence could hurt another person would be too much for me. Personally, if people are drinking at my place, I either tell them they've passed my limit and are staying the night or your cut off but enjoy some sodas. First thing I ask when I'm somewhere else, 'you gotta place I can crash, or am I driving home?' I've given various rides home to coworkers at office parties because I don't trust them when they say, 'I'll call a cab.' Again video was entertaining...any body ever see those bad Final Destination movies?
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: shooter32 on January 10, 2010, 12:34:33 AM
Powerful
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: TAB on January 10, 2010, 12:38:35 AM
I've got a bunch of metal in my back thanks to a drunk driver...
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: billt on January 11, 2010, 12:32:00 PM
These things go in waves. Its very much a generational thing. Its like drugs. In the sixties and seventies it was the norm. By the eighties, it was no longer so much fun and people saw the downside. The Boomers kids were bombarded by adds and they more or less worked. In the nineties though, drug use went up again as the real life examples of why this was a bad idea (crack houses and such) faded out of view.
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/80477002.html
"Arizona's 16 DUI task forces around the state made more than 14,000 driving-under-the-influence arrests in 2009 including nearly 4,500 from Thanksgiving to New Year's.
Those figures are up from 2008 when the task forces made some 10,500 DUI arrests but only about 2,700 from the Thanksgiving-to-Jan. 1 holiday span."
FQ 13 is right on the money here. In Arizona we have some of the toughest drunk driving laws in the nation. No matter, drunk driving arrests, and accidents are UP, big time. This will continue simply because we have allowed alcohol to become big business in this country, as well as a big part of peoples lives. Tougher laws, mandatory jail time, "alcohol awareness" programs, movies much like this one showing dead babies being pushed out of windshields, blood and guts galore won't change this. It never has, and it never will, because people like to drink. When they do their thinking is in an altered state, and this kind of stuff happens. Then comes the crying and sorrow over the senseless, loss.
I'm sorry to sound cold, but I'm tired of all of it. It will never stop. We are hypocrites in this country when it comes to booze. We have Anheuser Bush spending upwards of $2 million dollars a minute for a Super Bowl commercial slot to tell us to "Know When To Say When". And other brilliant deductions like "Friends Don't Let Friends Drive Drunk".
It reminds me of the movie "Scarface" when Al Pacino was drunk in the fancy restaurant. He staggered around and said, "You Americans have to have someone to point your filthy fingers at and say, see him, he's the bad guy!" This is true. The drunk driver makes the perfect bad guy. The problem is we have built a society around him that not only helps create him, but then is appalled at the results of his actions. It makes no sense.
It all revolves around the dollar. Always has, always will. The liquor and beer companies rake in the cash from manufacturing the product. The cities and municipalities rake in more cash through the sale of liquor licenses and taxes imposed on the sale of the stuff. Have you ever seen a bar without a parking lot? They further line their coffers with more cash from the fines, court costs, and other fees they make off the drunk driver. "Traffic Schools", "Alcohol Rehabilitation", and all of this other nonsense that works about as well as a Timex that was run over by a semi. How would they replace all of that revenue if everyone did the right thing and stopped? They wouldn't and couldn't. They just keep on bitching about how bad drunk driving is in all of these "public service announcements", and on the backside they rake in cash from all of it.
To be perfectly honest the drunk driving doesn't bother me as much as all of the hypocritical nonsense that goes with it. We don't take alcohol seriously in this country. Sure, when you see a movie like this it makes you think, but 5 minutes later the thought is gone. Nothing has worked to reduce this, and nothing will. I don't like it anymore than anyone else does, but I have learned to accept it, and defend myself from it. I drink at home. We very rarely go out in the evening. I can't even remember the last time I went to a bar. I've done my share of drunk driving when I was younger and dumber, and was lucky enough to never have had a DWI. I have had friends, acquaintances, and co workers killed in booze related accidents. Nothing will ever change that. If we could have changed it, the results would show it. They show just the opposite, it's once again on the rise, and the money, booze, and blood will keep on flowing. Rant over. Bill T.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 11, 2010, 02:15:57 PM
In line with Bill's rant, it is interesting to note that the first tax imposed by the US government on citizens was the Whiskey tax.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: ratcatcher55 on January 11, 2010, 02:34:34 PM
Prohibition worked so well. I would mention the drinking of alcohol predates the USA by several thousand years. Commerce in wines ands spirts also thousands of years old.
Having grown up with two alcoholic parents I don't blame Budwieser, Seagrams or Gallo for their problems.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: billt on January 11, 2010, 02:46:04 PM
Before automobiles they were falling off horses and hitting their heads on rocks. Booze has been around far longer than cars. Bill T.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: Timothy on January 11, 2010, 03:27:17 PM
Yes, several! But that was because the whole city block was a series of bars....Key West, FL...
The whole damn city is drunk most of the time... :D
Not trying to be funny here, I don't drink. Sixteen years now and I've had my share of friends get mamed or killed. The bar I managed had more parking spaces than seating capacity and there were usually an overflow to the bank next door and the chicken joint accross the street. Most if not all of our partrons left drunk, every night...it's why I got canned! I refused to serve a table of drunken rugby players and the boss didn't care. He owned the place to make money and could give a damn if someone didn't get home afterward.
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Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 11, 2010, 03:33:18 PM
That's changed in Fl. but not in a good way. Here the server is held liable. Considering they might have a boss like yours, its totally unfair. The fine should go to the owner, let him police his staff and 86 people who are clearly over the limit and without a DD. FQ3
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: Timothy on January 11, 2010, 04:41:30 PM
In Michigan in the 80's and even in the early 90's the last time I worked behind the bar, the bar, the server and the bartender got hammered with fines for serving an inebriated person or allowing someone to get so drunk they couldn't drive. This guy I worked for got fined 21K because he got popped for 21 people sleeping on the bar in a place he owned downtown.
He didn't even fight it, he just paid the fines and kept going. He owned four or five bars and a fleabag hotel in the city, a real putz...basically a wealthy little prick....
His sister was pretty hot though! ;D ;)
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 11, 2010, 04:43:50 PM
The server is held responsible in NH as well, the idea being that the owner may not be present but the server is interacting with the customer. Alcohol use predates HUMANS, Animals eat half rotted (fermented ) fruit and get hammered ;D Watch deer in an orchard next fall ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtPplZnPuMA
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: billt on January 11, 2010, 04:53:13 PM
Most if not all of our patrons left drunk, every night.
He owned the place to make money and could give a damn if someone didn't get home afterward.
You have just described what is the typical bar, patron, owner, establishment relationship. When you have hundreds of thousands of businesses like this who are in business to sell booze for a profit to more then willing consumers / customers, most, if not all of which drive there, this is about as sure of a recipe for disaster as one could ever hope to create. It would be laughable if it were not so common place. And we expect to somehow stop all of this foolishness with "feel good" remedies that are supposed to somehow absolve us from this monster we have created.
This has been happening since the invention of the automobile. It will continue unabated, regardless of whatever laws we pass, or fines we levy. Nothing irritates me more than total lack of results. There has never been a better example of this than our attempts to try and stop drunk driving. It has all been an abysmal failure. It is almost as annoying as political correctness. A lot to do about nothing.
I do not support prohibition because, much like gun control it doesn't work, and has proven to not work. Nor have stiffer laws. Arizona has proven this. 14,000 DUI arrests this year as opposed to 10,500 last year. More people drinking more, driving more, and crashing more, and dieing more. I accept the way things are simply because I have no other choice. All we are doing is running in place faster with all of these "methods". We accept alcohol in our society in large amounts. With that alcohol comes the blood, carnage, and death it causes. I have learned to accept it. It is the way things are, and the way they will continue to be. That is not a defeatist attitude, but rather a realistic one. Bill T.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: billt on January 11, 2010, 05:02:56 PM
Another thing you have to understand is that we as Americans are largely a bunch of power drinkers. In Europe alcohol is treated much differently. Wine is served at meals in most every home, even to adolescents. It can even be purchased by children in some European countries. Alcohol is consumed at lunch at the workplace. All of this takes place in very modest amounts. People don't drink to "get hammered" as so many do here. If they do they are usually in a position where a car is the last thing they use to top off their night, not the first like here. I'm not supporting Europe or condemning us, it's just the way it is in different societies in the world. We associate booze with being macho. Binge drinking happens in every college spring break destination from Daytona Beach to Palm Springs. The results of this is the sad fact most people don't operate machinery very well when they do it.
I don't believe in holding the owner of a bar responsible for what a drunk patron does anymore than I would hold a gun company responsible for what a criminal does with their product. We're all big boys and girls and need to be responsible for our actions. Bill T.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: Timothy on January 11, 2010, 05:10:05 PM
I don't know about the rest of Europe but when I lived in Iceland in the late 70's they had already implemented a 0.08% blood alcohol limit. One drink and you were legally intoxicated. They normally had Icelandic Police on the base sitting in the EM and O Club lots waiting for squids to get in their cars and if they did, they were checked on the spot.
If you got caught, the IP got you before the the MP or Shore Patrol got ya. You were in a heap of poo poo with the military...
we all took cabs, everywhere...the process worked because the reprocusions were extensive. Maybe we should make it very painful in the US?
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: ratcatcher55 on January 11, 2010, 05:26:21 PM
Loss of your car would be more painful than loss of your driving privilege
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: Timothy on January 11, 2010, 05:40:15 PM
I was at the pharmacy the other evening and the fella parked next to me was driving a big PU with a plow attached. When he came out of the store, he blew into one of those blowey things to start his car.
Sign of the times.....obviously a repeat offender or someone who's already done his time and out on probation.
My kid and her boyfriend know that one DWI will basically end their ability to own a firearm in MA. So far, they are very vigilant and don't drive. They also have a standing offer from me to come drive them home if they do have too many. It's been that way since they turned 16. Their friends have the same offer and my cell number.
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Post by: billt on January 11, 2010, 06:06:33 PM
It's all it takes. In MA, you MUST posess a license to carry or firearms ID to own a gun. The DWI is a disqualifing event. They figure if you're stupid enough to drive intoxicated than you're not responsible enough to own a firearm. They're very serious about it and without the license you have to turn in ALL of your guns to the state or you're liable to be charged with a felony gun posession. You can't even own ammunition anymore.
Lot's of guys who've been busted only hunt with muzzle loaders because they are considered "primitive firearms" and no license is required. No way around it unless you beat the rap.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: billt on January 11, 2010, 06:21:55 PM
When I lived in Illinois you needed the dreaded F.O.I.D. Card, but D.U.I. never entered into the picture. That was in the 80's. I don't know if that would prevent you from getting one today. Bill T.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: TAB on January 11, 2010, 06:35:01 PM
I think if you are over the limit, you should lose your driving privalages forever.
I know a guy that has had 17 DUIs, I also know a guy that got 3 in two weeks.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: billt on January 12, 2010, 07:22:16 AM
I know a guy that has had 17 DUIs, I also know a guy that got 3 in two weeks.
The reason they still were driving is a perfect example of the total hypocrisy of the system we have created. The drunk driver represents the biggest cash cow in traffic court today. Most are well covered by insurance, have good paying jobs, own homes and businesses, and have assets. Unlike the typical, hard core intravenous drug user who is usually destitute and penniless except for what he or she can steal. Cities along with their court systems are no different than any other business in that they, "go where the money is".
A couple of years back I got nailed at 4:00 AM by a red light camera on the way to work. I went to "Traffic School" so it wouldn't count any points against my license. There were about 25 people in "the class". The "teacher" asked for a show of hands as to how many were there for any type of D.U.I. infraction. About 9 people raised their hands. He then asked how much they paid thus far in fines, court costs, "schooling", and related expenses. All commented they were well into 4 digits. A young girl said she had to use a cash advance on her credit card to help pay for it all. One guy had mentioned he had paid well over $2,000.00 so far, and he was driving his motorcycle. He was older and had an expensive, tricked out custom Harley Davidson. $$$$$$$$ !
Common sense would dictate if someone was a habitual drunk driver with 17 D.U.I. arrests, complete, permanent, revocation of his license would be totally in order. One problem with that thinking, they, (the court system), wouldn't be able to tap his wallet anymore for fines and all of the other goodies they so love to nail the drunk driver with, if they forced him to take cabs and ride the bus. Look who keeps their license with all of these mega arrests. Most likely they have good paying jobs or businesses and can afford all of the lawyer fees, fines, "schooling", and everything else they can possibly reach into his pockets for.
Remember, this is all pure profit cash money we are talking about. All the city and police have to "produce" to "earn" it is paperwork, and a few minutes of keystrokes on a computer. It is a bonanza for them and they know it. The citizens cry about the horrible carnage, while they could care less. Bag up the bodies, tow away the wreck, hose off the street, and they're good to go. It is one of the biggest, if not the biggest hypocrisies in law enforcement today, and it will never change. Bill T.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: philw on January 14, 2010, 05:42:27 AM
Very powerful, and sobering. Literally. I did notice that much of that was European. They take drunk driving much more seriously than here in America.
that actually was here in Australia I remember ALL of those adds was played after 8PM at Night as it did also get a few complaints
where it is .05 for BAC anything over that and instant loss of licence and a court case where repeat offenders can also get Goal Time
unfortunately people STILL do NOT take notice
here are a few more adds
yes this one is a real add that Mark Chopper Reid did
Sorry M'ett I know this one will get you
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Post by: bulldog75 on January 14, 2010, 03:19:59 PM
Those are the nights that you want to go home sick. You just wish your shift would end. No other officers will come in to help. They do not want to deal with it. To much baggage. You sit parents down and tell them the bad news, and mom will more than likely kick your a@@ because her baby is not dead. Dealing with the drunk is the easy part. Got a Guy a few years ago for his 24th dui. It was one month before the state of Ohio changed the law so that we could go back further, so I could only charge him with his 4th, he did not get much just a slap on the wrist. I have no compassion for drunks now. I read a article about a police officer in Nevada that responded to a fatal crash involving a drunk driver. He did not recognize the mini van that was hit. The drunk was out looking at the damage to his vehicle. Yea the mini van was his sister inlaws. His wife, daughter, son, and sister inlaw did not survive. His neice was the only suvivor.
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Post by: bulldog75 on January 14, 2010, 03:30:32 PM
You know what gets me. Is people that take their kids into bars in strollers (under a year old). Yes I said strollers. I have seen people at 6 a.m. waiting with their kids outside of a bar for it to open. That may be part of the problem. Some kids think that it is the norm to live in bars. They can cuss me up one side and down the other and tell me that I am taking food out of their kids mouth by citing them for DUI. I did not make the choice to sit in a bar 7 days a week and drink. They should feed their kids first and then drink. Not the other way around.
Sorry about the rant. Had to get that off my chest.
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Post by: Big Frank on January 14, 2010, 03:39:20 PM
Isn't .05 one drink or less?
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 14, 2010, 05:39:18 PM
A few years ago, We had a case here where a woman ran into a toll both on the highway at 7:30 in the morning, she was so drunk she fell out of the car, she had just dropped her kids off at day care and was on her way to work.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: philw on January 14, 2010, 09:29:40 PM
a big Depends on what you are drinking firstly here we talk "Standard" drink Eplained here (http://www.drinkingnightmare.gov.au/internet/drinkingnightmare/publishing.nsf/650f3eec0dfb990fca25692100069854/e0239f752d14586cca2574d6001f07a8/WebPageBody/0.15CC?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg)
More info on this Here (http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Contentx/E9E12B0E00E94FD5CA25718E0081F1DC/) link for quote (http://www.dspack.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/racv/internet/auxiliary/faqs/road+safety/drink+driving/how+many+drinks+does+it+take+to+get+to+.05+blood+alcohol+concentration+(bac))
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The answer to this question varies among individuals because there are many factors that affect Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) such as what you drink, how much you weigh, your gender, the state of your liver and even how fit you are.
As a general rule to stay under .05:
Men can consume two standard drinks in the first hour and one drink each following hour. Women can consume only one standard drink in the first hour and then one drink each following hour. One of the best ways that individuals can determine how they respond to alcohol is to use the coin-operated breath testers on licensed premises.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: sledgemeister on January 17, 2010, 12:35:39 PM
As I have mentioned before all these adverts are shocking however I maintain that they are of limited worth. The people that take notice are those that will naturally drive carefully. Those who are 10ft tall and bullet proof will ignore. Its like smoking, who here smokes still and ignores the lovelly adverts that show tar being poured from lungs and arteries? I do!
If the adverts worked I wouldnt have come accross this story tonight/day http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/five-young-men-killed-in-high-speed-crash/story-e6frf7jo-1225820452302 The driver was a previous speeding offender who was not supposed to have more than one passenger.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 17, 2010, 12:42:02 PM
Back in the 80's El Salvador was reported to have the toughest drunk driving penalties in the world, if a road block found you drunk they would drag you out and shoot you. Of course, in those days if you did not support the people who set up the road block they would probably drag you out and shoot you as well.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: billt on January 18, 2010, 02:30:21 AM
The television show "Mythbusters" did a good episode recently on the whole drunk driving / cell phone talking thing. Their findings were interesting. The tests were done under the supervision of the California Highway Patrol on a closed course. First, the 2 participants consumed enough alcohol until they blew just over the legal limit on a police provided, certified, Breathalyzer. They then drove the course set up by "Mythbusters", and the police. The police recorded their "scores".
The next day after all of the affects of the alcohol wore off, they drove the exact same course while talking on a cell phone and were being asked simple questions on the phone. Both of the testers did FAR WORSE when talking on the phone as opposed to driving under the influence above the "legal" limit!
I'm not using this in support of driving after drinking, but to show how foolish our laws have become. And now, to make matters even worse, we have people driving while TEXTING! Very few states have laws preventing this. The reason is once again the almighty buck. Cell phone providers lobby heavily and constantly to prevent these kind of laws from being past. It should be a "gimme". More idiotic laws from the state of Arizona. Here it is perfectly legal to drive on the freeway, or anywhere else, with people riding in the back of a open pickup truck bed. But if the driver in the pickup isn't wearing his or her seat belt, they will receive a ticket! Many times while driving to and from work I'll see pickup trucks owned and operated by landscape companies driving 65+ MPH down the freeway with half a dozen Mexicans riding in the back. If that truck had to lock up his brakes and slid sideways, there would be bodies all over the road. All perfectly legal mind you. Yet we worry, and live or die by .01 on the Breathalyzer. Complete nonsense. Bill T.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: philw on January 18, 2010, 04:18:55 AM
wow you can still do that here
crap here it is a $200 fine and 3 points on your licence if you are busted talking on the phone while driving
and I have been busted for that a couple of times
lol Hay Rob.. ( I was on the phone to him once ) and I got away with just a warning
the Copper saw my firearms licence so we were talking about the New S&W M&P's that SAPOL are getting. these 2 had them all ready and recon I should get one hehe we spent about 10 mins talking about guns and at the end said just stay off the phone and have a good one ;)
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: sledgemeister on January 19, 2010, 08:20:24 AM
crap here it is a $200 fine and 3 points on your licence if you are busted talking on the phone while driving
and I have been busted for that a couple of times
lol Hay Rob.. ( I was on the phone to him once ) and I got away with just a warning
the Copper saw my firearms licence so we were talking about the New S&W M&P's that SAPOL are getting. these 2 had them all ready and recon I should get one hehe we spent about 10 mins talking about guns and at the end said just stay off the phone and have a good one ;)
Unless its a public holiday and then its double points! and yes I rememebr LOL
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: Solus on January 19, 2010, 09:55:36 AM
Back in the 80's El Salvador was reported to have the toughest drunk driving penalties in the world, if a road block found you drunk they would drag you out and shoot you. Of course, in those days if you did not support the people who set up the road block they would probably drag you out and shoot you as well.
I remember reading about that and my thoughts were that you had nothing to lose by killing the cops.
That is also my objection to the death penalty for kidnapping. Why make it the best option for a kidnapper to kill the kid.
Also, during the last presidential campaign, McCain and Obama both supported the death penalty for child molesters. I was against it for the same reason. When encourage these mad dogs to kill their victims.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: sledgemeister on January 19, 2010, 10:21:47 AM
I remember reading about that and my thoughts were that you had nothing to lose by killing the cops.
That is also my objection to the death penalty for kidnapping. Why make it the best option for a kidnapper to kill the kid.
Also, during the last presidential campaign, McCain and Obama both supported the death penalty for child molesters. I was against it for the same reason. When encourage these mad dogs to kill their victims.
Interesting thought process. Here in aus they did away with capital punishment and I as many now would like to see it reintroduced although that seems a realistic imposibility. Crimes such as child rape/murders, serial paedophiles , serial killer types etc I have no hesitation in seeing that they forfeit their life for their crimes. My only concern would be the lengthy trial process and appeals. I think where there is no doubt of their guilt ie overwhelming evidence, witnesses a quick trip out back behind a wall and a .45 to the back of the head would be the best ooption. But I can sort of see your point, never the less I diasagree.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 19, 2010, 10:30:23 AM
Solus, regular kidnapping is usually done for profit, killing the victim leaves the family no incentive to pay. As for sexual predators they are serial criminals, who will continue to offend until they are stopped PERMANENTLY.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: Solus on January 19, 2010, 01:33:49 PM
Solus, regular kidnapping is usually done for profit, killing the victim leaves the family no incentive to pay. As for sexual predators they are serial criminals, who will continue to offend until they are stopped PERMANENTLY.
Correct about the kidnapping.
So the kidnappers get the cash. Do they now release a witness that could lead them to the death penalty or do they kill this witness since they will suffer no greater consequences if caught.
The same applies to sexual predators. They will be given incentive to make sure every sexual assault will end in murder to avoid releasing a witness that could send them to the chair.
I am not against the death penalty. However with some of the recent uses of DNA evidence to show that some of them on death row were innocent and that some of those cases were poorly tried, I am uneasy about letting things proceed the way the way they have.
Title: Re: A very graphic video about driving!!
Post by: philw on January 20, 2010, 05:54:14 AM