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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Walter45Auto on January 10, 2010, 04:15:07 PM
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Found this on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glJrTU_SWuY&feature=related
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I'm a little iffy on this one. Dad seems to have taught him safety and how the guns work. Still, giving a kid (I'm guessing about ten?) a gun he isn't physically strong eough to control without dad holding it seems a little questionable. Yeah dad is right there and that's good. However given that the guy seems to have BillTs gun budget beat, I think a semi .22 might be a better way to go at that age. Still props to dad for getting him involved and teaching him early.
FQ13
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The Dad was right there with the Thompson, Kid did not seem to have any trouble with the 9mm's.
Your inner liberal is showing.
It wasn't that long ago any kid that age with regular access to the woods took his .22 with him.
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The Dad was right there with the Thompson, Kid did not seem to have any trouble with the 9mm's.
Your inner liberal is showing.
It wasn't that long ago any kid that age with regular access to the woods took his .22 with him.
Politics has nothing to do with this. Since when have I ever been anti-2A? Hell, Id love to own any of those gun. Its just a safety question. I wouldn't let him use a chainsaw either. Thats why I said I was iffy, not dissaproving. Its just a question of not giving a kid more tool than they can safely handle.
FQ13
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He did OK with the 9's but that Thompson must have a heavy trigger as Dad even needed to help him with that, as well as holding it.
Another thing to note is that with the suppressor it's not physically possible for him to have the type of accident that killed that kid in Mass a year or so ago, the worst that can happen if it runs away on him ( assuming there are no other houses around ) is he gets bonked in the face with the suppressor.
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Dad needed to put his glasses on instead of on the bill of his cap...
Besides that, I shot my dads 12 gauge when I was about 6.....he rested it against his thigh while I pulled the trigger. I told him it didn't hurt my shoulder at all while he limped along next to me!
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Look, I have no moral or political beef here. I don't even neccesarily dissaprove. I do question whether the kid is too physically weak to safely handle these firearms. The reason for this is that kid who managed to shoot himself with an uzi on full auto at a gun club a few months ago (we had at least two threads on it it). Granted he didn't have the close supervision shown in the video that this kid seems to. Dad seems to be concientious. I'm just not sure that when a 70 pound ten year old wants to shoot a tommy gun on full auto that the answer shouldn't be "maybe when you're older". No politics were involved in making this post. ;D Just a question of thinking its a bad idea to hand someone a weapon that they can't control. Give the kid a .22 and wait till he's a little older and bigger before moving on to the full auto .45s is my first instinct. I could be wrong.
FQ13
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We all remember the tragic events of the child that died at the range. Point being when my son, who is now 6' tall was a young kid about the same age as the kid in the video was at the range with me, I was just the like dad. I was holding on to the rifle, the foregrip, the trigger, etc,...right behind him like a wet blanket. Even if all I had was semi-auto, there was no way firing would have gotten away from his control, because I was in control. Now, I still stand right behind him, and just have to tell him to control his rate of fire.
When this kid gets older, the fundamentals of good safety will be ingrained in his brain, and that is a good thing.
It is tragic that in that brief moment, a young child wasn't "covered" by a parent, and the full auto got away from that kid and took his life that day at the range.
I'm sure the father is still dying every day without his son.
But the vid was a good one, he will be as the OP is titled brought up right. (with full auto at that,...) :-\
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Look, I have no moral or political beef here. I don't even neccesarily dissaprove. I do question whether the kid is too physically weak to safely handle these firearms. The reason for this is that kid who managed to shoot himself with an uzi on full auto at a gun club a few months ago (we had at least two threads on it it). Granted he didn't have the close supervision shown in the video that this kid seems to. Dad seems to be concientious. I'm just not sure that when a 70 pound ten year old wants to shoot a tommy gun on full auto that the answer shouldn't be "maybe when you're older". No politics were involved in making this post. ;D Just a question of thinking its a bad idea to hand someone a weapon that they can't control. Give the kid a .22 and wait till he's a little older and bigger before moving on to the full auto .45s is my first instinct. I could be wrong.
FQ13
FQ, THIS IS THE 3RD TIME I'M POSTING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING, I'LL TYPE SLOW, AND USE LARGE PRINT, I'LL EVEN TRY TO STICK WITH SMALL WORDS.
FIRST, THE KID SEEMED TO DO QUITE WELL WITH THE 9MM'S, LOOKED LIKE HE CONTROLLED THEM AS WELL AS YOU OR I WOULD, GRANTED HE SEEMED TO HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE THOMPSON, BUT HIS DAD WAS RIGHT THERE, AND SEEMED TO BE DOING MOST OF THE WORK FOR THAT ONE.
THE LITTLE BOY WHO DIED IN MASS. WAS A BIT YOUNGER, HAD NEVER FIRED A FULL AUTO BEFORE, AND WAS FIRING AN UNSUPPRESSED UZI THAT GOT AWAY FROM HIM AND FIRED UPWARD THROUGH THE BOTTOM OF HIS CHIN, THAT CAN NOT POSSIBLY HAPPEN TO THE KID IN THIS VIDEO, THE SUPPRESSOR ADDS SIGNIFICANT LENGTH TO THE BARREL, HE COULD NOT GET THE MUZZLE INTO THAT POSITION AND STILL REACH THE TRIGGER, THE WORST HE COULD DO WOULD BE TO BONK HIMSELF IN THE FACE WITH THE SUPPRESSOR, MAYBE A MINOR BURN FROM THE HEAT,MAYBE A MINOR BRUISE, AND SEVERE EMBARRASSMENT WHEN THE PARENTS SHOW THE VIDEO TO HIS FUTURE GIRLFRIENDS.
You need to quick looking at things and start actually SEEING what is shown, That grey matter inside your skull is NOT there to keep your hat rack from collapsing, THINK DUDE.
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No need to yell Tom. I've made my point and given my reasons. You have as well ( in very large and annoying print). ::) Thing is, neither one of us is making safety decisions for ten year olds, so maybe we should both shut up and listen to the dads out there make their case one way or the other. I don't have a dog in this fight. TW makes a good case. Maybe others in his shoes might disagree, I'm curious. I can easily be persuaded on this issue. I just posted my gut instict on seeing the vid.
FQ13
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Nobody's caught it yet, so I'll say it.... the grease gun is a.45, not a 9MM. The only 9 in the vid is the Uzi. ;D FQ, the boy's daddy is holding and shouldering the gun for him. And he's not even staying on the trigger of that Tommy. He's Firing in bursts.
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I thought it was a MP38/40 "Shmeissser" (Hugo didn't actually have anything to do with it ) but rewatching it I see the wire stock.
I have to disagree with Walter though, M-3's were ORIGINALLY chambered in .45, , many were later rebuilt as 9mm's however.
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I agree the dad was doing most of the holding, but the kid had good trigger finger discipline and muzzle discipline, he did actually demonstrate decent fire control when firing. NO he is not ready to be on his own with even semi auto versions of these firearms, but as was demonstrated, close adult supervision, why not? The event where the child was killed by a full auto getting away from him, TRAGIC, and that is all I have to say.
I learned a valuable lesson that I still apply today, even more so as a gunsmith. Colt gold cups have an extra spring that loads the sear against the hammer, very small and easy to lose and very easy to misassemble and make it load the sear away from the hammer. This can cause the pistol to go full auto, Old friend who worked for the indoor shooting range and detail stripped his gold cup, reassembled incorrectly the spring aforementioned. He went out on the range and like many of us have done a hundred times, locked the slide back, inserted a full mag, 7 rds at that time and dropped the slide using the slide release, with the pistol loosely held in his strong hand, it went FA, he was no where in control physically or mentally, he was lucky, 3 230grn hard ball rounds in his left wrist, arm and bicep. Ran out of ammo before it might have reached his face or head. Some of you might not like this, but this how pistols are designed, I always drop the slide with the trigger held back, that engages whatever disconnector the pistol has, it is safer than dropping the slide with the trigger forward. Any firearm, rifle, pistol or shotgun that has been worked on, even by me, gets dry fired and operated as hard as possible with no ammo, to see if the hammer or the striker has the least instinct to drop when it should not. After I perform a trigger job on anything but a revolver, I load one round at a time, and fire, then go to 2 rds until I feel good about everything. Old boss of mine took me to the indoor range and wanted me to shoot 100 rds through his Grizzly .45 win mag,so he could download the brass for milder loads. But before I started shooting, he said it had been doubling on him, and had just got it back from being repaired, How many 2 shot magazines do you think I shot before I loaded it all the way up???? 8 rds of .45 winmag on FA, NO thanks.
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What is cool about the .45 grease gun is it was one of the earlier models with the cocking handle on the outside.
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What is cool about the .45 grease gun is it was one of the earlier models with the cocking handle on the outside.
That's an OLD one. Probably from 1943-44.
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While FQ has a valid point (and I'm not going to rehash it) it's still heart warming to see a dad raising his kid right with the proper disipline to handle something at that age