Fortunately you were a leo and not an English teacher!Fortunately you are a English teacher and not a LEO. I didn't know we were grading posts now!
Gunman,Haz, There is a huge tacital advantage in no knocks. #1 Catch them off guard in the middle of the night and unprepaired to fight back. #2 Catch all the rats in one den. But they MUST be sure that there are on innocent people there, and it MUST be the right door that there breaking down!
I have a really hard time coming up with a reason for no knocks.
If they are bad guys with guns, wait for them to come out and then arrest them. If they have a hostage, well I don't see a need at that point as the house should be surrounded and the bull horns blasting BEFORE a 'dynamic entry".
Certainly drugs are NOT a reason to possibly endanger either innocents or police in this type of raid.
yea lets play nice and see who you call the next time your in trouble, a cop or a English teacher!That's GREAT!! I can't stop laughing!!!
Yes, I understand the tactical advantage (10 years military 73 -83), but I do not see why we need it for drugs. If you are sure a kidnap victim is in the house then I'll give you a go depending on the situation. But for drugs, or armed robbery suspect or even a murder suspect I see no reason. He will go to the store at some point or you can simply surround and wait. He isn't going anywhere and he can't hurt any one else.
Does the military wait until the bad guy comes out, no innocents hurt, always the right info. Do you think drug lords are any better than kidnappers murders rapist, do you know that most of the aforementioned are doing these crimes because of drugs or the need of them. Just wait them out? I'm not going to get into that political pile of#@$!. I respect what all of you have had to say but we (most of us) strive to make sure people are safe and don't think that people suffer consciouses when things go bad. All I'm saying is nobody and I MEAN nobody is perfect, if you are ,you do the job, lets see you go through the door. P.I.G. Pride Integrity Guts! And that is the last I have to say on this matter.Here! Here! It's a tough enough job without all the Monday moring quarterbacks (especially the media!) coming out of the woodwork. Every situation is different! They can't account for every possible problem! Remember you only ever hear when things go wrong NEVER when they go right!
The police are not the military. And I believe in the 4th amendment just as stongly as I do the 2nd amendment.The 4th Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, and was originally designed as a response to the controversial writs of assistance (a type of general search warrant) I too believe in the 4th amendment. I believe we are talking about legal warrants here. I also believe that if your child had to walk by a crack house to and from school everyday, you might just have a different few on those type of raids.
The 4th Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, and was originally designed as a response to the controversial writs of assistance (a type of general search warrant) I too believe in the 4th amendment. I believe we are talking about legal warrants here. I also believe that if your child had to walk by a crack house to and from school everyday, you might just have a different few on those type of raids.
Does the military wait until the bad guy comes out, no innocents hurt, always the right info. Do you think drug lords are any better than kidnappers murders rapist, do you know that most of the aforementioned are doing these crimes because of drugs or the need of them. Just wait them out? I'm not going to get into that political pile of#@$!. I respect what all of you have had to say but we (most of us) strive to make sure people are safe and don't think that people suffer consciouses when things go bad. All I'm saying is nobody and I MEAN nobody is perfect, if you are ,you do the job, lets see you go through the door. P.I.G. Pride Integrity Guts! And that is the last I have to say on this matter.
Oh, I get it! Drug dealers good! Cops bad!
Stop being childish. No one said that. What I (and I think Pathfinder) am saying is NO ONE has the right to enter my house with out knocking. You have a warrant? Good, present it to me and the enter like police (servants of the People), not like home invaders.That's your view! Not law! As I said before I too beleive in the 4th A. There is nothing in the 4th A that say's you must knock to serve a legal warrant! Let me add one thing. Sloppy police work cannot be tolerated!! Bad warrants, bad information, and bad cops should be dealt with. I am not condoning any of these. These things are tools to be used, but must be used correctly. (As for being childish, my wife tells me that all the time.)
Drugs are not a reason for no knocks. I can think of a number of different and less dangerous ways. Could the drugs get flushed? Yep, and who cares about that?
That's your view! Not law! As I said before I too beleive in the 4th A. There is nothing in the 4th A that say's you must knock to serve a legal warrant! Let me add one thing. Sloppy police work cannot be tolerated!! Bad warrants, bad information, and bad cops should be dealt with. I am not condoning any of these. These things are tools to be used, but must be used correctly.
I acknowledged in a previous post that it was legal. There are such things as bad laws.Small police dept's are going to put 20 officer's around a house for three days waiting for the bad guys to come out. When they could be solving other cases. As for Police in danger, try a (Quote) normal traffic stop! Putting innocent persons in danger BAD POLICE WORK! Wrong address BAD POLICE WORK! Bad info BAD POLICE WORK! Those cannot be tolerated!!! Yes, there are too many no knocks! But there are times when they are the think to do. I agree with you 100% that any raid on the wrong house is inexcusable. I would never argue that. That's my last post on this subject. Merry Christmas to all!
Please explain to me how putting the police in danger, possibly putting innocent persons in the house in danger, putting neighbors in danger (possible stray rounds) etc. is better than oh...
Waiting until wanted person or persons leave and then arrest, or if it is so vital then spend the man power to survail and arrest or if even more urgent surround and contain.
All of those options are less dangerous to the public and the police and I didn't even mention wrong addresses or bad info which also ups the ante of public endangerment.