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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: callithump on January 21, 2010, 07:46:32 PM
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Well, we know now that Trijicon is removing Biblical references from their products.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100121/METRO02/1210471/1409/METRO/Wixom-gun-sight-maker-will-stop-inscribing-biblical-references
Does it make a difference to you?
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Heck, I couldn't afford their stuff to begin with.....so a "boycott" will be easy for me..... but, even if I could afford them, I probably wouldn't buy their products any way....just on principle.
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who gives a sh**?
did trijicon insult anybody's religion? Is anybody else feeling offended? no. so why change anything.
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send them an email, I did.
http://www.trijicon.com/contact_submit.cfm
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I was considering buying one before I knew about the Bible references so I guess it will not matter to me. Though it would be cool to have one with the reference there.
When the time comes I will look for the best product at the best price to suit my needs. Probably Trijicon, but maybe something else will pop up.
At the last gunshow I bought a Bushnell for my 9mm carbine that looks like the ACOG but was only $175. I wasn't going to spend Trijicon money on a sight for a "fun" gun.
http://www.bushnell.com/products/scopes/riflescopes/trophy/730132P/
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If I could afford the Trijicon, I would put them on every rifle that I own. Excellent quipment but also have a new found respect for them after learning that their Christian makers place Biblical References on them. Faith in God and faith in their product exemplifies the amount of effort they put in. Much appreciated and highly respected in my opinion.
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As I understand it the Bible reference was ONLY on MILITARY product, so while I think it is cool they did it, whether they keep it or not would make no difference to me.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Bible Reference was started by the Founder of the Company. He has passed and been replaced by the "Corporate Mentality". Any one who thinks a Corporation gives a crap about "Family Values" should PM me, I have this bridge they may be interested in buying.
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I could care less if the bible references are there or not, but if anyone needs prayers I think our military does.
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It's their product, their company and they can leave it or remove it. It's their right to do it their way. I think they should leave it personally and stick up for the 1st amendment. But if they feel that it is important enough to change to please their largest customer than fine. Same product! I just hope they leave it on their commercial product to uphold the brands tradition.
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Didn't and Don't really care one way or the other. I think the whiney assbags need to be on the other end of one of those sights.
Mind Your Own Business!
If I ever get a little money I'd like to get some of their night sights for my Walthers!
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as I can not afford one not an issue
however wanted one as I thought they were cool
now i really one one just to stick it up the MFW that crying about it
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I, personally, do not plan on ever purchasing another Trijicon product. This incident has caused me to lose all respect for the company, because they CAVED. I was very proud of the companies public stance and am now even more disappointed in their lack of testicular fortitude in resisting the pressure to bow to political correctness. I am a Christian, and in my opinion, if you are willing to submit and remove evidence of your faith in God from your product because someone doesn't like it, well, I have to wonder what other areas your willing to make concessions in. Just my opinion, which probably isn't worth two cents. :)
Swoop
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We just don't know the whole story behind their apparent cave-in. While I think it was way cool to have the Biblical reference on their scopes, if a pack of athiests in the govt. purchasing office decided it was inappropriate and would lead to a cancellation of their contract... well, then it was smart to take it off. After all, being in business and employing lots of people while making one of the best gunsights on the market sure beats closing down the factory and sending people to the unemployment office. Still, I'd sure like to have one with the reference emblazoned thereon... I'm just sayin'
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if a pack of athiests in the govt. purchasing office decided it was inappropriate and would lead to a cancellation of their contract... well, then it was smart to take it off. After all, being in business and employing lots of people while making one of the best gunsights on the market sure beats closing down the factory and sending people to the unemployment office.
My viewpoint may not be shared by many, but I believe, and have experienced, that God takes care of his own. If Trijicon didn't collapse and back away from their religious message, they would have reaped greater rewards for it. Just my opinion.
Swoop
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The problem came with the military code against proselytization. The issue in my mind is that it is not actually a printed verse. It is a reference that if you don't understand your Bible you aren't going to catch. If we are concerned about the enemy ... If they get their hands on this sight we have bigger issues than proselytization.
Once again it is nothing but PC run amok, and Trijicon had to make a choice based on a lot that we don't know about. However, I will repeat that someday someone will have to answer for pushing the subject and for using the kit to remove the reference.
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I was issued several TA01NSN scope from 95-08' in the Army. I don't ever remember hearing anyone catching the reference. Moot point and a none issue. It still says "In God We Trust" on our currency.
CD
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I was issued several TA01NSN scope from 95-08' in the Army. I don't ever remember hearing anyone catching the reference. Moot point and a none issue. It still says "In God We Trust" on our currency.
CD
GOD is available in every language and country. The new testament is not. This is not about GOD .
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That's a marketing ploy I haven't seen before. I have a 200.00 Sightron and a 70.00 Shooter's Edge and they work fine.
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I didn't have plans to buy a Trijicon before I learned of the Bible verses, but I was planning on buying as a result of their stand....but that's out the window now....back to the Tru-Glo's for me....
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They make a GOOD PRODUCT. No I won't boycott, BUT they're expensive enough I may never get one any way.
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So from a jailhouse lawyer standpoint,
If the models submitted in order to win the contract had the Bible verse reference on them, then wouldn't removing the reference mean Trijicon was no longer supplying the exact product specified in the contract?
Which would mean a contract modification would have to be executed to allow the change in specifications, which means Trijicon would need to bill more for the "modified" product?
I mean two can play this game.
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It's no small project either, they will need to retool the molds they make the scope bodies on, then they have to change the Inspection Process, and the record sheet , as well as new blue prints to reflect the Rev change.
And all of this has to be verified and re certified. It could actually run into some serious money and delays in production.
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I like the way you think!
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Too bad they caved but that's a business decision. I looked at one of their sights at the local shop and it has the citation on it.
Personally I'm sick of all the PC crap. All it is is a bible citation on the end of the serial number. You have to look it up, understand what it says in relation to the scope it is on, and you can see that the citations were chosen because they match the capability of the sight. So what.
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Too bad they caved but that's a business decision. I looked at one of their sights at the local shop and it has the citation on it.
Personally I'm sick of all the PC crap. All it is is a bible citation on the end of the serial number. You have to look it up, understand what it says in relation to the scope it is on, and you can see that the citations were chosen because they match the capability of the sight. So what.
You have proven you have the right stuff to hang around and play on this forum ;)
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with 185 posts we would have figured it out LONG ago if he didn't ;D
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Hey, thanks to everyone who participated. From those who voted by looking at the thread and not voting (they voted) to those who left comments.
I posted because I was dismayed that Trijicon caved IN ONE DAY. I appreciate the stand of a fellow who would be true to his belief and make such inscriptions. I'd like to know if the inheritor (his son) shared the same conviction or if it was a tradition carried along with a tip of the hat to papa.
If it was just a tradition, hey, things change. If it was a conviction and they rolled this easily I'm not real happy.
In a way we need more facts but like a poster said it appears to be a Corporate decision, one driven by the contracts and money.
Time to move along. Thanks.
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All I can say is that I agree with everyone that thinks its a bunch of bull dung that trijicon is getting in truble for this (which is of course pretty much everyone that is on this forum), but at the sametime I really hope that the current supply has to get off loaded all at once and maybe at a much cheaper price. ;)