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Russia's first stealth fighter makes maiden flight
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer Vladimir Isachenkov, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 55 mins ago
MOSCOW – Russia's first stealth fighter intended to match the latest U.S. design made its maiden flight Friday, boosting the country's efforts to modernize its rusting Soviet-built arsenals and retain its lucrative export market.
The Sukhoi T-50's flight comes nearly two decades after the first prototype of the U.S. F-22 Raptor took to the air, and Russian officials said it will take another five years for the new jet to enter service. Still, the flight marked a major step in Russia's efforts to burnish the faded glory of its aviation industries and strengthen a beleaguered military.
The sleek twin-engined jet closely resembling the Raptor flew for 47-minutes from an airfield at Sukhoi's production plant in the Far Eastern city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur on Friday. Development of the so-called fifth-generation fighter has been veiled in secrecy and no images of it had been released before the flight.
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin hailed the flight as a "big step forward," but admitted that "a lot remains to be done in terms of engines and armament."
Craig Caffrey, an analyst for Jane's Defense Procurement-Military Aircraft, said the new fighter is "hugely important," both for modernizing the aging Russian air force fleet and retaining export markets.
"The T-50 should offer the Russian Air Force a significant boost in its capabilities and ensure that it remains one of the best equipped air forces in the world," he told The Associated Press by e-mail.
Caffrey said the new fighter will attract many foreign customers. "For those countries that don't traditionally purchase military equipment from the U.S. it will be the only fifth generation aircraft available," he said.
The NPO Saturn company said in a statement that the jet has new engines, but military analysts suggested that they were a slightly modernized version of the Soviet-era engine powering the Su-27 family of fighters.
"It's a humbug," said independent military analyst Pavel Felgenhauer. "It's just a prototype lacking new engines and a new radar. It takes new materials to build a fifth-generation fighter, and Russia lacks them."
Putin said Friday the first batch of new fighters is set to enter an Air Force evaluation unit in 2013 and serial production is set to begin in 2015.
Caffrey said the task looks "very challenging, given the amount of new technology that is being incorporated into the new aircraft."
Russian military analysts were also skeptical, pointing at a history of delays in the program and other Russian weapons projects.
"The schedule will likely be pushed back as usual," said Alexander Konovalov, the head of the Moscow-based Institute of Strategic Assessment, an independent think tank.
Russia's prospective Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile has failed in at least eight of its 12 test launches, dealing a blow to Russia's hopes of making it a cornerstone of its nuclear arsenal. Officials have blamed the failures on manufacturing flaws resulting from post-Soviet industrial degradation.
Felgenhauer and other observers said the fighter program, which depends on hundreds of subcontractors, has been dogged by similar problems.
Russian officials have said the new fighter, like the Raptor, will have supersonic cruising speed and stealth capabilities. Its pilot, Sergei Bogdan, said in televised remarks that it was easy and pleasant to fly.
While officials saw the new fighter as essential, some analysts said the country has more pressing needs.
"There is no mission and no adversary for such plane," Konovalov said, adding that the Russian military lacks a modern communications system and satellite navigation. "It would be more expedient to fit modern avionics to older generation jets."
The U.S. administration decided to quit buying the F-22 Raptor, the world's most expensive fighter jet at more than $140 million apiece, effectively capping its production at the 186 already ordered.
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Associated Press Writer David Nowak contributed to this story.
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I guess it beats the heck outta their new cargo truck......... ;D ;D
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Glad we scrubbed the Raptor ::)
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Given the lead time to get into the air, I wonder who "leaked" the plans for the Raptor? Probably in return for a campaign contribution?
BJ, I'm looking in your direction . . . .
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Glad we scrubbed the Raptor ::)
If Botox Nancy gets her wish, this "spending freeze" would, of course, extend to the Defense Dept....wouldn't want any of those cutting edge development ideas for our military and our country to move forward. >:(
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If Botox Nancy gets her wish, this "spending freeze" would, of course, extend to the Defense Dept....wouldn't want any of those cutting edge development ideas for our military and our country to move forward. >:(
Don't want to cut into her "party flights". >:(
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If Botox Nancy gets her wish, this "spending freeze" would, of course, extend to the Defense Dept....wouldn't want any of those cutting edge development ideas for our military and our country to move forward. >:(
Don't want to cut into her "party flights". >:(
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The "Sky Bar" is open.... >:( >:( >:(
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Industrial espionage is the strongest suit of the KGB, now the SVR. During the Soviet era it was their bread and butter, they were to worried about getting caught to kill very many dissidents out side the Eastern bloc, They never did find any defectors to kill, they could not even manage to break Nuryev's legs, and they were to paranoid to properly analyze any of the political intel they picked up. But technology and Signals intel they collected more than any one else in the world. (Still do, Russia is NOT our friend ! ) The reason they could not keep up with us was entirely because of the inefficiency of the "Planned economy".
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I'm curious - did the Soviets ever figure out how to make true round ball bearings, or do they still use the cylindrical style?
I remember buying two bookcases in 1993 made in Russia - the feckin' NAILS were a mess - half of the head missing, point still had the parts that were supposed to be cut off partially attached etc, etc, etc.
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So when is Clint Eastwood going to sneak in and steal it....fly it over the arcticle circle, refuel on the ice via a sub, and then finally land in the US?
;D
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If Botox Nancy gets her wish, this "spending freeze" would, of course, extend to the Defense Dept....wouldn't want any of those cutting edge development ideas for our military and our country to move forward. >:(
Unfortunately they have already started that. So many programs are being cut, shelved, or canceled that it will take years to improve even existing platforms. New platforms are being slashed to nothing. I worked ona program that was designed to improve everybody's ability to track things like the T-50 but the political BS from the Services killed it, Congress and DoD just made it official by canceling it completely. F-35 and F-22 are being cut back because historically we spend based on the last war instead of the possible next one. Everybody is convinced we will only fight Counter-Insurgency or guerilla wars not head to head stand up fights from now one. No need for a air superiority fighter if we're using UAVs to do the work right? I doubt the Chinese or North Koreans would agree.
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Glad we scrubbed the Raptor ::)
It looks like the Northrop F23, that lost the stealth competition to the F22.
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They probably stole the plans, you ever see their "Space shuttle" ?
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They probably stole the plans, you ever see their "Space shuttle" ?
Hmmm, I wonder where they got that idea? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft)
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It wasn't "influenced by" the American design, It WAS the American design, KGB either stole or bought the plans.
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I read an article about this a few days ago, I'm not too surprised that someone else is developing a next gen fighter but Russia can't even keep up with the fleet it already has and it will be years before this plane is in production. It's still a prototype without even a proper weapons platform.
I have my doubts on mass production, although.....the problem is who they will inevitably sell these planes to.
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Iran, Syria, and they MIGHT sell them to India, but the Indians are still pretty p!ssed about the hosing the got on the T -80 tanks they bought, Russian high tech sucks in hot climates .