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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on February 09, 2010, 04:24:06 PM
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http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d6-Wear-Levis-jeans-pioneer-global-gun-control
The Brady Campaign trying to drag Starbucks Coffee into the anti-open carry debate is, like the core mission of the gun grabbers, senseless, punitive of the innocent and fundamentally unfair. The coffee giant just wants to sell its wares, and is reluctant to alienate a large market segment simply because anti-rights bluenoses get all hissy when they see anyone pushing beyond social norms they deem acceptable.
Here's a company that's not innocent--in fact, they are willful leading collaborators in the global citizen disarmament movement: "American icon," Levi Strauss.
Some of us have been waving that denim flag for years--here's an early warning from Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership:
Levi Strauss, the makers of the jeans we are so fond of buying, is taking your money and contributing heavily to PAX. PAX is an organization circulating a petition to broaden the reach of the federal government to disarm America.
And here's a letter from our friends at Montana Shooting Sports Association:
That you would so clearly favor the criminal class is a mystery to me, but until you recant your uncivilized ways, I will have to recommend that Montana gun owners and members of the Montana Shooting Sports Association to no longer buy your products. After a lifetime of wearing Levi's, I'm switching to something else.
OK, but that was years ago. Perhaps public pressure has made them see the light? After all, they're airing a commercial with a Walt Whitman poem narration:
Pioneers! O Pioneers!
COME, my tan-faced children,
Follow well in order, get your weapons ready;
Have you your pistols? Have you your sharp edged axes? Pioneers! O pioneers!
Inspiring words paying tribute to the American spirit, paradoxically written by a poet who socialists consider an icon, then cynically and commercially exploited here by social engineering globalist profiteers using a beautifully read voice-over by a communist actor.
Ah well--back to the point: Where does Levis Strauss & Co. stand today on your right to keep and bear arms?
Reader "Barney B" sent me copies of his email correspondence with the clothing giant. I'll give you the CliffsNotes version, from their corporate "consumer relations" reply:
Levi Strauss & Co. believes deeply in the importance of equality, social justice, community involvement and corporate citizenship.
Here's one of the ways they manifest their deep beliefs:
In this time of need, we encourage you to give what you can at www.oxfamamerica.org.
OXFAM? Where have I heard about them before?
Oh, yeah--they're the international citizen disarmament zealots who are conjoined with IANSA to stump for a global gun grab.
I won't waste your time asking you to send these creatures an email. I'll simply observe that giving them your business, especially when so many alternatives exist, is giving aid and comfort to a proven enemy of your right to keep and bear arms. Consider that when making your clothing purchases--and next time you see gun owners wearing Levis, let them know.
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I haven't bought Levi's in decades. Every since it first came to life. Duck Head's either.
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I stopped buying them when they closed their final domestic facility some years back. After that, no two pairs would fit the same regardless if I tried them on or not. I didn't know they were politically connected.
I'll stick with the Wranglers and cargos from now on. I bought four pair of Wranglers last year for 10 bucks a pair. Last time I bought Levis' they were about 35 bucks each.. ON SALE!...
F-em....
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Wranglers are the only way to go. Maybe Dickies too, but definitely Wranglers. Only
pussies metrosexuals in Texas wear Levis.
I'm guessing FQ wears Levis . . . . ;)
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Wranglers are the only way to go. Maybe Dickies too, but definitely Wranglers. Only pussies metrosexuals in Texas wear Levis.
I'm guessing FQ wears Levis . . . . ;)
Hey boy, you need to check you tone. I haven't worn Levis...ever. Didn't know about all this, but like the others, couldn't find two pair that ever matched. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
But yes, I'm sure FQ wears them, hell, he probably bought stock after this story. Just kidding bud...maybe. ;)
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Hey boy, you need to check you tone. I haven't worn Levis...ever. Didn't know about all this, but like the others, couldn't find two pair that ever matched. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
But yes, I'm sure FQ wears them, hell, he probably bought stock after this story. Just kidding bud...maybe. ;)
You are in Texas, but are you a metrosexual? No? 'Nuf said then!
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Haven't bought Levi's in years, but I still have a few old pairs that just fit, and are in good enough shape to keep.
I guess I'll stop buying Dockers shorts also...They're Levi's as well.... :-\
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I stoped buying them when they started making them out of the country.
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Wranglers (relaxed fit--yeah, Crusader needs the room) Carhardts Canvass and maybe Dickies work out well for me. Haven't bought Levis since the '80s when the price hit double what they charged for the "off" brands. That and the whole made out of the country thing really p!ssed me off. These days, I wouldn't buy Levis if they made them in Florida and sold 'em for $5 a pair. Freakin' commies are right in line with the MoveOn.org crowd and those b@st@rds could all fall in a hole and I'd sell shovels to fill it up.
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Wranglers (relaxed fit--yeah, Crusader needs the room) Carhardts Canvass and maybe Dickies work out well for me. Haven't bought Levis since the '80s when the price hit double what they charged for the "off" brands. That and the whole made out of the country thing really p!ssed me off. These days, I wouldn't buy Levis if they made them in Florida and sold 'em for $5 a pair. Freakin' commies are right in line with the MoveOn.org crowd and those b@st@rds could all fall in a hole and I'd sell give away shovels to fill it up.
FIFY ;D
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I'm guessing FQ wears Levis . . . . ;)
Whatever's on sale. Levi's, Wrangler's, Lee, Sam's Club Makers Mark. They're all made in the same sweat shop. I just don't drop more than $15-$20 a pair on on jeans.
FQ13
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and I'd sell give away shovels to fill it up.
FIFY ;D
LOL. No... I'd sell 'em. Crusader's still a capitalist! ;)
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LOL. No... I'd sell 'em. Crusader's still a capitalist! ;)
Rent them, give them a bit of gilding and an engraved date and title and sell them on eBay as commemeratives of the event.
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Rent them, give them a bit of gilding and an engraved date and title and sell them on eBay as commemeratives of the event.
We have a winner!!!
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Wahetever's on sale. Levi's, Wrangler's, Lee, Sam's Club Makers Mark. They're all made in the same sweat shop. I just don't drop more than $15-$20 a pair on on jeans.
FQ13
I was unaware of the Levi's leftist leanings. The Wally World has 'em cheap. So count me with FQ...
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Gave up Levi's years ago.......
Now it's Cabelas duck canvas.....$15 a pair when they are on sale.
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Wahetever's on sale. Levi's, Wrangler's, Lee, Sam's Club Makers Mark. They're all made in the same sweat shop. I just don't drop more than $15-$20 a pair on on jeans.
FQ13
I was unaware of the Levi's leftist leanings. The Wally World has 'em cheap. So count me with FQ...
See, this is part of the problem. Levi Strauss sold out their American employees, according to FQ they make their clothes in some sweatshop, and as long as they are cheap, no big deal, right? And the company screws with our rights? Oh well . . .
This is probably among the Top 10 or maybe even Top 5 reasons the USA is in serious trouble right now - screw everything so long as I get a deal. Like FQ demonstrates with appalling regularity here, when you don't stand for anything you will fall for everything. Or in this case, just fall.
Seriously, get a clue. When a company violates you, do not just say - well, at least I got a deal. Sort of the equivalent of saying - well, at least he used clean Vaseline. Shop smart, get deals, use coupons, do whatever. But to say that you're am willing to sacrifice liberty in order to get a deal financially, well, that's just wrong.
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See, this is part of the problem. Levi Strauss sold out their American employees, according to FQ they make their clothes in some sweatshop, and as long as they are cheap, no big deal, right? And the company screws with our rights? Oh well . . .
This is probably among the Top 10 or maybe even Top 5 reasons the USA is in serious trouble right now - screw everything so long as I get a deal. Like FQ demonstrates with appalling regularity here, when you don't stand for anything you will fall for everything. Or in this case, just fall.
Seriously, get a clue. When a company violates you, do not just say - well, at least I got a deal. Sort of the equivalent of saying - well, at least he used clean Vaseline. Shop smart, get deals, use coupons, do whatever. But to say that you're am willing to sacrifice liberty in order to get a deal financially, well, that's just wrong.
Path
To quote Tom,
Hang it in your ass. You find me a politically correct American firm and I will buy from them. Otherwise, what I see are a bunch of companies selling me the same "made in a Chinese prison camp" crap, the only diference being the price based on whose name is on the labels. If you have a constructive suggestion to make, do so. I will cheerfully pay extra to buy made in the USA.. Otherwise, your holier than thou act is wearing thin.
FQ13 who is rarely this direct ,but grows tired of having his patriotism and morality questioned because my politics don't jibe with yours.
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When I lived in Roswell, on of the major employers was the Levi's plant. It wasn't a very large facility but it employed hundreds of people. When they downsized it did a lot of damage. I don't think they closed the facility completely but still. I think every American company has the right to do business as they feel they need to. If that means outsourcing to some third world hell whole fine. But I AS AN AMERICAN have the right to not put money in their pockets. Their are plenty of American made companies I stick to for clothing. And instead of giving money by proxy to BRADY I will give money to Cabelas, especially since their guaranteed for life or Old Navy or some of the other off brands I find at Walmart or Target. Most of which are small operations that keep their nose out of the political sector.
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FQ, 2 things about your post, First, "Hang it in yer ass" is from M'ette, not me.
Second, it's not your Patriotism or your morality we question, just your sanity judgment.
I have to go along with G4 here, it may be darn near impossible to find or afford clothes NOT made in Chinese sweat shop, but at least you can buy brands that DON"T meddle in PC Politics.
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If you don't like Levi Stauss, would you buy clothes from these guys?
http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/about-duluth/tradespanel/tradespanel.aspx
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I would and I have.
Last purchase was the Micro Fiber overcoat. Light, warm and lots of pockets. Doesn't Wrinkle when I bunch it up behind my back for arm movement when I drive...in a bucket seat.
I have all my Dremel tools, attachments and bits in one of their large tool bags.
They get a thumbs up for me.
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If you don't like Levi Stauss, would you buy clothes from these guys?
http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/about-duluth/tradespanel/tradespanel.aspx
Seems like a good company. Still, their jeans are imported, and I'm not paying $34 a pair if they're not made in the USA. Lots of other cool stuff though, thanks for the post.
FQ13
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If you don't like Levi Stauss, would you buy clothes from these guys?
http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/about-duluth/tradespanel/tradespanel.aspx
Quite right sir.
There are other companies I avoid as possible...like Kraft. So I buy Borden's instead...a bit more but there you go (I hope they aren't anti-gun...we do need a pro-gun or at least neutral company list for 2nd Ammendment Rights).
Together we the gun culture are a powerful force...you know, it was just a few crazies clanging pots and pans and beating a drum that got these companies to steer away from The American Way some years ago. A little PR, give them a little ground, who cares they go away. Well, a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump now these guys are funding activists and working against our rights while they lay off US workers...not North American...U.S. Americans.
I remember the 60's...the wink-wink, nudge-nudge, we really don't believe this stuff we're just making them go away kind-of-a-looks and statements that continued through the 70's and picked up steam. There were cries to hold fast, before public opinion reached the dumper it did with the ignorance we now have in the populace. It was just a few dollars...they'll go away. Well they did not go away.
Now we have this fine mess. It was predicted, it was fortold, it did come to pass.
It is up to us to reverse roles to reverse our fortune. We must avoid as possible financial support of companies and individuals who do not support the 2nd Ammendment and be activist against those who would fund activism against us.
Or we will follow our brethren in foreign lands, who have gun ownership as only a memory of the way things used to be.
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It is up to us to reverse roles to reverse our fortune. We must avoid as possible financial support of companies and individuals who do not support the 2nd Ammendment and be activist against those who would fund activism against us.
Right on the money, Rastus.
If every gun owner in the US stopped buying from as many anti 2A companies as possible/feasible (sometimes you can't get around it for certain needs), and backed it up by writing letters and emails telling them why, it might have an impact. It takes large numbers to turn the tide of anti 2A once it has built up some momentum....... but it could be done.
When I stopped using CVS because of their 2A position, I wrote and told them why and then got my wife and son to do the same. If everyone did it, maybe sooner or later companies would take notice. And, it's not that difficult....just write a good solid form-type letter that would apply to any 'anti' company and then when you send one, all that has to be done is add the company name to the letter for each different company.