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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on February 11, 2010, 07:58:53 PM
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Disturbing at best. I'm still taking this in. >:(
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14361484?nclick_check=1 (http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14361484?nclick_check=1)
East Palo Alto cop takes heat for Facebook remarks
By Jessica Bernstein-Wax
Daily News Staff Writer
Posted: 02/09/2010 03:00:00 AM PST
Updated: 02/11/2010 11:21:11 AM PST
An East Palo Alto police detective is taking heat in online forums for allegedly posting comments from his Facebook account that advocate shooting Open Carry gun advocates.
Detective Rod Tuason apparently made the remarks in response to a friend's status update, which joked that gun advocates who carry unloaded weapons in plain view as a political statement should start doing so in places such as Oakland, Richmond and East Palo Alto "and not limit themselves to hoity toity cities."
"Haha, we had one guy last week try to do it!" Tuason replied, referring to a Redwood City man who strolled into the Mi Pueblo Food Center in East Palo Alto on Jan. 27 with a gun on his hip. "He got proned out and reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!"
After several more comments in the thread, Tuason apparently joked that officers should shoot the advocates, who have made recent headlines throughout the Bay Area for sipping coffee at cafes and performing other everyday acts with visible weapons.
"Sounds like you had someone practicing their 2nd amendment rights last night!" Tuason wrote. "Should've pulled the AR out and prone them all out! And if one of them makes a furtive movement ... 2 weeks off!!!"
It's unclear when Tuason made the comments, but they attracted the attention of gun rights advocates after blogger and lawyer Kevin Thomason posted a screen grab of the thread and a link to Tuason's Facebook page on his Web site Sunday.
"East Palo Alto, CA Detective Roderick Tuason didn't realize that actual PRO-GUN people also read Facebook," Thomason said in the post. "Amazingly, he posted the following comment about law abiding gun owners on a friend's page. Basically, he's saying 'prone them out' (on the ground), and if anyone moves, kill them."
Thomason urged his readers to contact East Palo Alto council members to complain. Reached by phone Monday, Thomason said he wanted to comment but couldn't because he works with a nonprofit foundation that wouldn't want him to speak publicly on the matter.
California Penal Code bars carrying concealed weapons without a county-issued license but says it isn't a crime to openly display a firearm in a belt holster. However, it remains illegal for the gun to be loaded in most cases.
While residents who carry unloaded, registered guns in plain view aren't breaking any laws, police have said the practice is dangerous because officers can't tell whether a gun is loaded and what an armed person's intentions are.
Tuason didn't return a phone message seeking comment Monday. But East Palo Alto police Capt. Carl Estelle said the department's professional standards division is looking into the Facebook remarks to see if they violate any rules or policies.
"We have to be careful because they're on his own personal private Web page," Estelle said. "We have to be careful not to violate his First Amendment rights."
The department hasn't taken action against Tuason, and the detective was working in uniform Monday, he said.
"In no way are his personal comments reflective of any policies or procedures here at the department, nor does he speak for the police department," Estelle said.
Meanwhile, Tuason's Facebook comments had sparked a 45-page thread on the Web site Calguns.net Monday afternoon. A user with the handle .45shooter claiming to be either Tuason or the detective's Facebook friend who posted the original status update — the identity wasn't clear from the post — apologized to site members and said he was a Second Amendment advocate himself.
"Sometimes sacastic or off color humor should be best kept in the confines of those you can confide in," the poster wrote. "I forgot the golden rule of whos watching and listenting to you! I know i ruffled alot of feathers by making that comment! But as a person i did not mean no harm to anyone. Those that know me know my form of humor after all i'm a former Marine!"
Mark Hudson, a San Mateo resident and Second Amendment supporter, said that while he isn't part of the Open Carry movement, he saw the post on Calguns and Tuason's comments offended him.
"The reason people are open carrying is because in San Mateo County they're unable to get concealed carry permits," Hudson said. "This East Palo Alto policeman basically said he would shoot you in the back — a law-abiding citizen exercising their Second Amendment rights. ... You're going to invite law enforcement into your life when you open carry. That's why I don't do it."
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It's the 5 to 10 % of LEOs like this that get the other 90 -95% into trouble. This guy is a donkey hat. To prove my point if I can defer to my friend Tom:
Tom, could you explain what is wrong with this sentence other than grammar?
But as a person i did not mean no harm to anyone. Those that know me know my form of humor after all i'm a former Marine!
If my donkeysuption is wrong, I will stand corrected.
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It's the 5 to 10 % of LEOs like this that get the other 90 -95% into trouble. This guy is a donkey hat. To prove my point if I can defer to my friend Tom:
Tom, could you explain what is wrong with this sentence other than grammar?
If my donkeysuption is wrong, I will stand corrected.
Two things - double negative "i did not mean no harm to anyone" means he did mean harm.
And second, there ain't no such thing as a "former" Marine - once a Marine, always a Marine.
Just call me Tom . . . . . ;)
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Against all enemies foreign AND domestic....
"To PROTECT & SERVE"
seems both have their own interpretations....
Is there the 2% of any group that are downright stupid? Yes...... Does that include LEO's Yes. Marine's, I know, former or not, are taught discipline, respect, honor, duty, and pride.
from article:
"Sometimes sacastic or off color humor should be best kept in the confines of those you can confide in," the poster wrote. "I forgot the golden rule of whos watching and listenting to you! I know i ruffled alot of feathers by making that comment! But as a person i did not mean no harm to anyone. Those that know me know my form of humor after all i'm a former Marine!"
Seems this clown got a badge, and forgot all that he was supposed to learn in the Marines.
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Two things - double negative "i did not mean no harm to anyone" means he did mean harm.
And second, there ain't no such thing as a "former" Marine - once a Marine, always a Marine.
Just call me Tom . . . . . ;)
Winner! Methinks there is just a bit of BS floatin' around this one...
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Against all enemies foreign AND domestic....
"To PROTECT & SERVE"
seems both have their own interpretations....
Is there the 2% of any group that are downright stupid? Yes...... Does that include LEO's Yes. Marine's, I know, former or not, are taught discipline, respect, honor, duty, and pride.
from article:
"Sometimes sacastic or off color humor should be best kept in the confines of those you can confide in," the poster wrote. "I forgot the golden rule of whos watching and listenting to you! I know i ruffled alot of feathers by making that comment! But as a person i did not mean no harm to anyone. Those that know me know my form of humor after all i'm a former Marine!"
Seems this clown got a badge, and forgot all that he was supposed to learn in the Marines.
Well, He did pick up on the "Kill'em all, let God sort them out", part of his training.
Like I've said before, The people who come for your guns will not be "UN" troops .
It will be guys like this, just like in N.O.
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Well, He did pick up on the "Kill'em all, let God sort them out", part of his training.
Like I've said before, The people who come for your guns will not be "UN" troops .
It will be guys like this, just like in N.O.
Remember it was Cali State Troopers that roughed up that old lady in New Orleans withOUT any cause!!! >:(
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Tuason didn't return a phone message seeking comment Monday. But East Palo Alto police Capt. Carl Estelle said the department's professional standards division is looking into the Facebook remarks to see if they violate any rules or policies.
"We have to be careful because they're on his own personal private Web page," Estelle said. "We have to be careful not to violate his First Amendment rights."
The department hasn't taken action against Tuason, and the detective was working in uniform Monday, he said.
So violating our Second Amendment Rights is Okay???? They say this like his First Amendment Rights are all so important, and our Second Amendment Rights aren't very important!!! What's wrong with that picture???? IMOP 1A is no where without 2A. and they should be treated equally!!!!!!
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Its kinda hard to shed tears when an actual criminal frags a cop because of people like this. And yeah, most cops probably agreed with this guy when they read that statement.
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I hope his free doughnut days are over...
What an idiot...... Wrong temperament for the trade as an LEO, unprofessional, potential abusive use of power, and a gives decent cops a bad image.
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I hope his free doughnut days are over...
What an idiot...... Wrong temperament for the trade as an LEO, unprofessional, potential abusive use of power, and a gives decent cops a bad image.
Ditto. I raised my boys to respect police authority, but to not trust the man/woman behind the badge. Trust is earned. This reinforces I made the right choice.
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??? What do you call a man with an unloaded gun? A VICTIM
Detective Rod Tuason apparently made the remarks in response to a friend's status update, which joked that gun advocates who carry unloaded weapons in plain view as a political statement should start doing so in places such as Oakland, Richmond and East Palo Alto "and not limit themselves to hoity toity cities."
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Hey TB!!
I have a question for you. Do you now, or have you ever, referred to yourself as a FORME Marine?
I didn't think so.
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Hey TB!!
I have a question for you. Do you now, or have you ever, referred to yourself as a FORME Marine?
I didn't think so.
What's important is that this asshat refer to himself as a former cop soon. Just to make a point, I would like to see the NRA lawyers go through this guys files (public record). Find every alleged abuse complaint, every "contempt of cop" charge like assault on a police officer, failure to cooperate or resisting arrest, as well as every perp brought in with so much as a scratch. Forward the above info to their attorney's of record. That ought to generate a couple of dozen appeals alone. Protests are one thing. DAs having to revisit old cases, lawsuits, press about "wrongfully accused", "rougue cop" and "cover up" are another. Maybe a few dirtbags go free. So what? It happens everyday. In this case sending an expensive message seems to be worth it.
FQ13
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??? What do you call a man with an unloaded gun? A VICTIM
Detective Rod Tuason apparently made the remarks in response to a friend's status update, which joked that gun advocates who carry unloaded weapons in plain view as a political statement should start doing so in places such as Oakland, Richmond and East Palo Alto "and not limit themselves to hoity toity cities."
I agree with that statment. Lets see how far you are really willing to go to make that political statement. ( honestly OCing a unload gun, that the crimals know is unloaded is the dumbest thing you can do.)
In a perfect world this guy would get canned on the spot./
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" gun advocates who carry unloaded weapons in plain view as a political statement should start doing so in places such as Oakland, Richmond and East Palo Alto "and not limit themselves to hoity toity cities.""
In those places smart people carry them concealed and LOADED so they do not want to draw attention.
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your assuming you get can get a permit in those countys. I have to move to a diffrent county to get mine back.
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your assuming you get can get a permit in those countys. I have to move to a diffrent county to get mine back.
No, I'm assuming I don't have one. ::)
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No, I'm assuming I don't have one. ::)
Don't be to smug here Tom. I played that game, er uh, theoretically someone ressembling me MAY have played that game. ;) Mr. X worked closing shift in suburban DC in Montgomery County Md. and had to take several $k of reciepts to a bank drop box well after dark. The local authorities thought that wasn't a good enough reason to issue a permit. Mr. X carried anyway. However he knew that not matter what the outcome of the shoot, jail time was a real possibility. Worse, just running a red light and the cop deciding to frisk would have had the same outcome. The cops couldn't reasonably be expected to protect me yet they would cheerfully arrest me, err, him, for protecting himself. That's the attitude that breeds disrespect for government and cops in one hell of a hurry. I hope it spreads like wildfire in the UK and Oz. the point is though, that its one thing to pontificate. Its another to slip a .38 in your pocket and know that there is a greater chance that it will put you in jail rather than saving your life. Yet the real possibility it might (my previous boss was killed in a stick up) said to put it in. There is no right answer here. Just a hard call for what was then a $9 an hour job.
FQ13
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You have to be alive to regret your actions for any extended length of time.
Make your own choices but I'm carrying "something" (at least a knife )
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You have to be alive to regret your actions for any extended length of time.
Make your own choices but I'm carrying "something" (at least a knife )
unless your paying attention, it does not matter what your armed with. you can't out draw a trigger finger, nor can you out draw a bat to the back of your head.