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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Ulmus on February 12, 2010, 06:35:00 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585682,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585682,00.html)
3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus.
This is why concealed carry needs to be allowed.
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NBC covered this as a 'massacre". I am not trying to belittle the death tole, but 3 is hardly a massacre.
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I wonder if its a love afair gone wrong type of thing, that or just a crazy prof... plenty of those around.
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Early reports said she was upset at not being offered "tenure".
Speaks volumes about the environment at our universities, with an attitude of "they owe me a lifetime job". (see Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams for numerous articles on the "FINE" state of our colleges and universities.)
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If she hadn't been a psycho b!tch she would not have NEEDED tenure, she would have been secure in ability and hard work.
Tenure, Those who deserve it don't need it. Those who want it don't deserve it.
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If she hadn't been a psycho b!tch she would not have NEEDED tenure, she would have been secure in ability and hard work.
Tenure, Those who deserve it don't need it. Those who want it don't deserve it.
Bullshit! Its like the military, up or out once you make captain. Not defending her, but lets be clear here. You take a tenure track job its seven years to get it. If they say no, you'screwed, used goods. Unless you get passed over at say, Harvard, most schools won't touch you as they'd rather take their chance on an up and comer. So there you are at 38 with few options and little money. I'm in no way excusing this, just pointing out that it is a pressure cooker, and that inevitably some nut job will blow. Sort of like the post office only with more tweed. ;)
FQ13
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um, you have atleast a masters degree... there should be a job in the private sector for you some where... unless its like history or something simlar... then all you can really do is teach.
You can't tell me that some company, some where would not want a neuroscientist( some one that studys the nerveous system)
I a whole slew of medical related companys would love to have one on staff. More so when you got your degree from harvard( which does not mean a damn thing to me, I've known way to may harvard grads that were idiots)
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Tenure, Those who deserve it don't need it. Those who want it don't deserve it.
So true.
As far as the tenure track and years to get it, it's 5 to 7 years to get vested in a company's retirement and/of 401k by law (it can be less depending on the company)....if they even offer retirement or a 401k these days. That goes for engineers, technicians, laborers, even doctors who work for a corp...why should it be any different and more hallowed for teachers?
And even if you make the 5 or 7 years, you don't get a guarantee of a job, just that you have access to retirement or 401k which sometimes evaporates anyway.
Why must the teacher be held on a pedestal and given special privilege....to stroke their egos and make them feel they are better than the rest of us?
Go figure. ???
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So true.
As far as the tenure track and years to get it, it's 5 to 7 years to get vested in a company's retirement and/of 401k by law (it can be less depending on the company)....if they even offer retirement or a 401k these days. That goes for engineers, technicians, laborers, even doctors who work for a corp...why should it be any different and more hallowed for teachers?
And even if you make the 5 or 7 years, you don't get a guarantee of a job, just that you have access to retirement or 401k which sometimes evaporates anyway.
Why must the teacher be held on a pedestal and given special privilege....to stroke their egos and make them feel they are better than the rest of us?
Go figure. ???
Especially when their performance has been declining for 40+ years.
Why Johnny can't read ? Because his teacher belongs to the NEA, but he CAN quote Marx and Lenin .
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Oh yeah, I want this crazy b!tch to have a "teaching" job.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100214/ap_on_re_us/us_ala_university_shooting
Accused Alabama prof shot, killed brother in 1986
HUNTSVILLE, Ala. – The professor accused of killing three colleagues during a faculty meeting is a Harvard-educated neurobiologist, inventor and mother whose life had been marred by a violent episode in her distant past.
More than two decades ago, police said Amy Bishop killed her teenage brother with a shotgun at their Massachusetts home in a shooting that investigators concluded was an accident.
Bishop had just months left teaching at the University of Alabama in Huntsville when police said she opened fire with a handgun Friday in a room filled with a dozen of her colleagues from the school's biology department.
Bishop, a rare woman suspected in a workplace shooting, was to leave after this semester because she had been denied tenure. Police say she is 42, but the university's Web site lists her as 44.
Some, including the husband of one victim and one of her students, have said she was upset after being denied the job-for-life security afforded tenured academics. Authorities have refused to discuss a motive, and school spokesman Ray Garner said the faculty meeting wasn't called to discuss tenure.
William Setzer, chairman of chemistry department at UAH, said Bishop was appealing the tenure decision made last year.
"Politics and personalities" always play a role in the tenure process, he said. "In a close department it's more so. If you have any lone wolves or bizarre personalities, it's a problem and I'm thinking that certainly came into play here."
The three killed were Gopi K. Podila, the chairman of the Department of Biological Sciences, and two other faculty members, Maria Ragland Davis and Adriel Johnson. The wounded were still recovering in hospitals early Saturday. Luis Cruz-Vera was in fair condition; Joseph Leahy in critical condition; and staffer Stephanie Monticciolo also was in critical condition.
Bishop was in custody and it wasn't immediately known if she has an attorney. No one was home at the couple's house. Her husband, James Anderson, was detained and questioned by police but has not been charged.
A 9-millimeter handgun was found in the bathroom of the building where the shootings occurred, and Huntsville police spokesman Sgt. Mark Roberts said Bishop did not have a permit for it.
Descriptions of Bishop from students and colleagues were mixed. Some saw a strange woman who had difficulty relating to her students, while others described a witty, intelligent teacher.
Students and colleagues described Bishop as smart, but someone who often had difficulty explaining difficult concepts.
Bishop was well-known in the research community, appearing on the cover of the winter 2009 issue of "The Huntsville R&D Report," a local magazine focusing on engineering, space and genetics.
However, it was unclear how many of her colleagues and students knew about a more tragic part of her past. Setzer, the chemistry chairman, and the university's police chief said they weren't aware of her brother's death until they were asked by reporters Saturday.
Bishop shot her brother, Seth, an 18-year-old accomplished violinist, in the chest in 1986, said Paul Frazier, the police chief in Braintree, Mass., where the shooting occurred.
The Norfolk County District Attorney's office released a 1987 report with details of their investigation, based on interviews with Amy Bishop and her parents conducted by a state trooper after the shooting. The report concluded Seth Bishop was killed by an "accidental discharge of a firearm."
Amy Bishop told investigators she was trying to learn how to use a shotgun that her father had purchased for protection in the home after a break-in. She said she did not know how to use the weapon and brought it downstairs to the kitchen for help unloading it.
She said she was raising it when "someone said something to her and she turned and the gun went off" while her brother was walking across the kitchen, according to the report.
She then ran out of the house with the weapon. When she talked to investigators 11 days after the shooting, she told them she could only remember hearing her mother scream and she didn't know the gunshot struck her brother until later.
The report by Trooper Brian Howe said Bishop's "highly emotional state" immediately after the shooting made it impossible to question her. The report said she was 19 at the time.
The handling of the case prompted back-and-forth claims from the current Braintree police chief, Frazier, and the former chief, John Polio.
Frazier said Polio instructed officers to release Amy Bishop to her mother, who had once served on a police personnel board. That move upset officers who remembered the 1986 shooting, Frazier said.
"The police officers here were very upset about that," said Frazier, who was a patrolman at the time and spoke to officers who remembered the incident that day, including one who filed a report on it.
Frazier also said the police records of the shooting have disappeared and he planned to meet with the local district attorney over the possibility of launching a criminal investigation into how the Bishop case was handled.
Polio, now 87, said Saturday at his Braintree home that he was astonished at any implication of a cover-up. He said he didn't instruct officers to release Bishop and wasn't close to her mother, who he said served on the police board years before the shooting.
"(There's) no cover-up, no missing records," Polio said. "If they're missing, they're missing since I retired."
Polio said Saturday that at the time there were questions about whether Amy Bishop intended to kill her brother because of conflicting reports about whether the two had argued or had just been horsing around when the gun was fired.
Polio said the officer who took Bishop into custody told Polio he was upset she was released but "it was an isolated cop, telling me something. It wasn't a big movement."
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3 shots with a shotgun is no accident! Some well connected daddy got his daughter off, so she could later kill and maim others! Funny how files related to the "accidental" shooting disappeared.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/13/alabama.university.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/13/alabama.university.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1)
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3 shots with a shotgun is no accident! Some well connected daddy got his daughter off, so she could later kill and maim others! Funny how files related to the "accidental" shooting disappeared.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/13/alabama.university.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/13/alabama.university.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1)
3 shots??? Once is an oopsie, the consequece of an untrained bone head with a gun. Three? Unless thet shotgun was made by toyota we have a problem. ;D
FQ13
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Update :
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2011/03/bishop_indicted.html
By John M. Guilfoil, Globe Staff
An Alabama grand jury has formally indicted Amy Bishop on capital murder and attempted murder charges stemming from the February 2010 University of Alabama Huntsville shootings.
The Huntsville Times reported online today that Madison County District Attorney Rob Broussard said the indictments came down last week.
Bishop was indicted on charges she killed three fellow professors: Maria Ragland Davis, Adriel Johnson, and department chairman Gopi Podila during a Feb. 12, 2010 faculty meeting in which Bishop was denied tenure at the university as a biology professor. She is also accused of shooting and wounding three other faculty members.
The capital charges carry the possibility that Bishop will be sentenced to death. Broussard’s office did not indicate whether it planned to pursue the death penalty, according to the Huntsville Times.
Calls to Broussard’s office and to Bishop’s attorney, Roy Miller, were not returned tonight.
Bishop made local headlines last year after the Globe reported that she shot and killed her brother, Seth, in 1986 with a shotgun blast.
The shooting was quickly ruled accidental by Braintree police, but Chief Paul Frazier, in a stunning Feb. 14, 2010 press conference, said the investigation was mishandled and swept under the rug by the department, possibly because Bishop’s mother was a town official and told police the shooting was an accident.
In June, the Norfolk district attorney’s office, which re-opened the case amidst the scrutiny, indicted Bishop for first-degree murder.
The Globe revealed a pattern of odd behavior from Bishop in the years after the killing of her brother, including an outburst against a woman in 2002 at a Peabody pancake house. Bishop, and her husband, James Anderson, were also suspects in the 1993 attempted bombing at the Newton home of Dr. Paul Rosenberg, a Harvard Medical School professor and physician at Children’s Hospital Boston. They were never charged.
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Update :
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2011/03/bishop_indicted.html
By John M. Guilfoil, Globe Staff
An Alabama grand jury has formally indicted Amy Bishop on capital murder and attempted murder charges stemming from the February 2010 University of Alabama Huntsville shootings.
The Huntsville Times reported online today that Madison County District Attorney Rob Broussard said the indictments came down last week.
Bishop was indicted on charges she killed three fellow professors: Maria Ragland Davis, Adriel Johnson, and department chairman Gopi Podila during a Feb. 12, 2010 faculty meeting in which Bishop was denied tenure at the university as a biology professor. She is also accused of shooting and wounding three other faculty members.
The capital charges carry the possibility that Bishop will be sentenced to death. Broussard’s office did not indicate whether it planned to pursue the death penalty, according to the Huntsville Times.
Calls to Broussard’s office and to Bishop’s attorney, Roy Miller, were not returned tonight.
Bishop made local headlines last year after the Globe reported that she shot and killed her brother, Seth, in 1986 with a shotgun blast.
The shooting was quickly ruled accidental by Braintree police, but Chief Paul Frazier, in a stunning Feb. 14, 2010 press conference, said the investigation was mishandled and swept under the rug by the department, possibly because Bishop’s mother was a town official and told police the shooting was an accident.
In June, the Norfolk district attorney’s office, which re-opened the case amidst the scrutiny, indicted Bishop for first-degree murder.
The Globe revealed a pattern of odd behavior from Bishop in the years after the killing of her brother, including an outburst against a woman in 2002 at a Peabody pancake house. Bishop, and her husband, James Anderson, were also suspects in the 1993 attempted bombing at the Newton home of Dr. Paul Rosenberg, a Harvard Medical School professor and physician at Children’s Hospital Boston. They were never charged.
Fine, upstanding member of the academic community.