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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on February 13, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
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I can't believe it! It is a decent time of day, and I am watching women's biathlon live! They just said we will see men's tomorrow.
I love watching almost as much as shooting ... wish I could ski so I could give it a try ::)
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Check out Bane's post on biathalon.... one of the commentors posted about how they are auctioning off commemorative biatholon guns on gun broker right now.... Savage ;)
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Olympic gun porn:
http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-biathlon-photos/
http://picturesvideosonline.com/biathlon_rifle
*I bet its a bitch for them to get through security
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It is considered by some the most difficult winter Olympic sport. It would be my choice. ;D
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hehe
this would make it more interesting
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It is considered by some the most difficult winter Olympic sport. It would be my choice. ;D
It is the diffrence of two extremes thats for sure.
One min you have to have your heart pumping at 100% going full out, the next you need to slow your heart rate, and control your breathing to get a clean trigger pull.
its one of the few sports that no one gets into to do biathlon, they are either shooters that learn how to ski or skiers that learn how to shoot.
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Next best thing to the modern pentathalon, which sadly has been removed from the games. For those unfamiliar, it was riding, running, swiming, shooting and fencing. It was supposed to be a simulation of an officer's (specifically an officer courier's) skills. A very cool sport and one whose decline points to the wussification of western society. Though I guess we cold update it to substitute dirt bikes for horses and mixed martial arts for fencing and make it co-ed. It might get more viewers. ;)
FQ13
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It is the diffrence of two extremes thats for sure.
One min you have to have your heart pumping at 100% going full out, the next you need to slow your heart rate, and control your breathing to get a clean trigger pull.
its one of the few sports that no one gets into to do biathlon, they are either shooters that learn how to ski or skiers that learn how to shoot.
I have read a lot about the sport and listened to the trainers. They are looking for champion skiers and runners. They feel they can teach any athlete to shoot, but you can't turn anyone into an extremely fit endurance athlete.
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I have read a lot about the sport and listened to the trainers. They are looking for champion skiers and runners. They feel they can teach any athlete to shoot, but you can't turn anyone into an extremely fit endurance athlete.
Damn straight. Ask me to shoot and I can compete (though on a local, not near an olympic level). Ask me to cross country ski x kilometers, and they'll find my corpse after the thaw. :-\
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Damn straight. Ask me to shoot and I can compete (though on a local, not near an olympic level). Ask me to cross country ski x kilometers, and they'll find my corpse after the thaw. :-\
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but if you were in your mid teens and in decent shape, then one could turn you into a cross country skier.
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Not as easily though TAB. Cross Country coaches will go through an entire school athlete list to field a small cross country team. Not everyone is capable of being a good athlete, and even fewer of those are capable of developing endurance .... especially endurance that can be controlled.
If your theory were true, why don't we see the shooters from the summer games in biathlon? If they could teach those younuns to ski there would be no misses.
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genetics plays a huge roll in that. Not many coachs want to admit that, but if your built wrong for a sport, you will never make it to the highest level.
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genetics plays a huge roll in that. Not many coachs want to admit that, but if your built wrong for a sport, you will never make it to the highest level.
TAB, Have you ever LOOKED at the firing line at NRA Police shooting events ?
Those coffee swilling, donut munching, "old farts" are IN FACT highly conditioned "athletes".. ;D
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TAB, Have you ever LOOKED at the firing line at NRA Police shooting events ?
Those coffee swilling, donut munching, "old farts" are IN FACT highly conditioned "athletes".. ;D
Make them run 3 miles at a seven minute pace between stations. The winner? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?.... ;D
FQ13
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Make them run 3 miles at a seven minute pace between stations. The winner survivor ? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?.... ;D
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Fixed it for you ;D
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yet some LEOs wonder why the public does not like them. I hate to see out of shape LEOs.
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genetics plays a huge roll in that. Not many coachs want to admit that, but if your built wrong for a sport, you will never make it to the highest level.
TAB ... You just said what I have been saying all along! They can make a shooter out of a skier or runner, but they can't put endurance in a shooter!
Who has the head banging on a wall emotion?
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yet some LEOs wonder why the public does not like them. I hate to see out of shape LEOs.
But TAB, These guy's are wracking up PERFECT scores, let's see Mark Spitz or Peggy Fleming do THAT ;D
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lets see them run down a bad guy...
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Anywho..... back on topic.... Man those are some awesome rifles! They have a minimum weight requirement, so I dont really know why some of them are carbon fiber. depending on how they carry, it might actually be better to have a heavier rifle.
I would also love to see how these guys could handle buck fever.
And incase you have not seen Bane's blog post:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_G-EWSfJ1PwE/S3WAvq8xIkI/AAAAAAAABOI/STtaRTx0JuY/s1600/cc02-12-10.jpg)
*I need faster reloads on my Viagra :o
**Now thats funny right there.
BTW, put me down for "TAB is wrong"
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Next best thing to the modern pentathalon, which sadly has been removed from the games. For those unfamiliar, it was riding, running, swiming, shooting and fencing. It was supposed to be a simulation of an officer's (specifically an officer courier's) skills. A very cool sport and one whose decline points to the wussification of western society. Though I guess we cold update it to substitute dirt bikes for horses and mixed martial arts for fencing and make it co-ed. It might get more viewers. ;)
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Didn't George Patton compete in modern pentathalon in the Olympics?
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Bac you are correct, read here. http://www.realclearsports.com/articles/2008/07/modern_pentathlon_a_sport_for.html
Also I love the look of biathlon rifles, have come close many times to buying 1, especially when the russian imports started. But for a treat if your at shot or NRA convention, check out the Walther, Anshutz, Krico, Sako, etc... booths for the Biathlon rifles, gorgeus and functional, I really like the toggle bolt system, don't have to shift your grip, during bolt manipulation. You got to love a rifle that carries up to 12 spare mags on the stock. ;D
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I will also add that I would have loved to have seen an American with their rifle dipped in RealTree camo.... an NRA sticker on the stock would have been nice too ;)
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Redneck version covers a 350hp snowmobile with 2 man/woman riders. Front driver/shooter is pistol only, rear shooter has option of 12g or rifle.
5 mile course, with multiple targets, including any and all wildlife encountered along the way for bonus points.
Just thinking out loud,... 8)
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Didn't George Patton compete in modern pentathalon in the Olympics?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton#Fifth_Olympiad
Patton participated in the 1912 Summer Olympics in Stockholm in the first-ever modern pentathalon. He placed sixth out of 37 contestants in 300 meter freestyle swimming. Patton was third out of 29 fencers. In the equestrian cross-country steeplechase, he was among the three riders who turned in perfect performances, but he placed third because of his time. Patton hit the wall 50 yards (46 m) from the finish line of the four kilometer cross-country footrace, then fainted after crossing the line at a walk. He finished third out of 15 contestants. He finished fifth overall.
[edit] Pistol shooting controversy
In pistol shooting, Patton placed 20th out of 32 contestants. He used a .38 caliber pistol, while most of the other competitors chose .22 caliber firearms. He claimed that the holes in the paper from early shots were so large that some of his later bullets passed through them, but the judges decided he missed the target completely once. Modern competitions on this level frequently now employ a moving background to specifically track multiple shots through the same hole.[5] There was much controversy, but the judges’ ruling was upheld. Patton neither complained, nor made excuses. Patton's only comment was
...the high spirit of sportsmanship and generosity manifested throughout speaks volumes for the character of the officers of the present day. There was not a single incident of a protest or any unsportsmanlike quibbling or fighting for points which I regret to say marred some of the other civilian competitions at the Olympic Games. Each man did his best and took what fortune sent them like a true soldier, and at the end we all felt more like good friends and comrades than rivals in a severe competition, yet this spirit of friendship in no manner detracted from the zeal with which all strove for success.[citation needed]
[edit] Master of the Sword and the Patton Saber
Following the 1912 Olympics, Patton traveled with his family to Dresden, Berlin, and Nuremberg. Seeking the greatest swordsman in Europe to study with, Patton was told the “beau sabreur” of the French Army would be the one. Adjutant M. Clèry was a French “master of arms” and instructor of fencing at the Cavalry School at Saumur. Patton went to Saumur for intense study with the master. Upon his return, Patton wrote a report that was revised for the Army and Navy Journal. Patton’s first article for the Cavalry Journal appeared in the March 1913 issue. In the summer of 1913, after he advised the Ordnance Department on sword redesign, Patton was allowed to return to Saumur to study once again under Clèry.
Lieutenant Patton was made the Army's youngest-ever "Master of the Sword" at the Mounted Service School at Fort Riley, Kansas. While Master of the Sword, Patton became an instructor at Fort Riley and improved and modernized the Army's cavalry saber fencing techniques.
Earlier in the year, he assisted in the design of the Model 1913 Cavalry Saber. It had a large, basket-shaped hilt mounting a straight, double-edged, thrusting blade designed for use by light cavalry. Patton's 1914 manual "Saber Exercise" outlined a system of training for both mounted and on foot use of the saber. The weapon became to be known as the "Patton Saber." There is no one sword that this saber was modeled after. Patton suggested the revision from a curved sword and edge and cutting technique to a thrusting style of attack, following his extensive training in France. Patton's thoughts were expressed in his 1913 report "The Form and Use of the Saber":
In the Peninsula War the English nearly always used the sword for cutting. The French dragoons, on the contrary, used only the point which, with their long straight swords caused almost always a fatal wound. This made the English say that the French did not fight fair. Marshal Saxe wished to arm the French cavalry with a blade of a triangular cross section so as to make the use of the point obligatory. At Wagram, when the cavalry of the guard passed in review before a charge, Napoleon called to them, "Don't cut! The point! The point!" [6]
The weapon was never used as intended. At the beginning of U.S. involvement in World War I, several American cavalry units armed with sabers were sent to the front but they were held back; the nature of war had changed, making horse-mounted troops easy prey for enemy troops equipped with Gewehr 98 rifles and MG08 machine guns. However, Patton took his style of move forward and attack technique to his use of the tank in battle. This would become his trademark combat style.
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Redneck version covers a 350hp snowmobile with 2 man/woman riders. Front driver/shooter is pistol only, rear shooter has option of 12g or rifle.
5 mile course, with multiple targets, including any and all wildlife encountered along the way for bonus points.
Just thinking out loud,... 8)
The Olympic Palinathalon! ;D
FQ13 who just couldn't help himself
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The Olympic Palinathalon! ;D
FQ13 who just couldn't help himself
An interesting Parody....
Would be amusing to do the same with other politicians ...describe an Olympic Event based on their core skills and self reliant capabilities...
Might be able to pick good candidates just based on the events in their 'athalon' ...
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The Pelosi X-treme Facelift Challange. Two pairs of vice grips an the the first to get their ears (still attached) to meet wins? Or maybe the Mitch McConnell/Robert byrd pork off. A greased 100 pound pig and a 55 gallon drum, first pig shoved in head first gets the gold. Or maybe the Bill Clinton intern-athathlon, first contender to get six out of ten interns to...no this is a family board. ;D
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An interesting Parody....
Would be amusing to do the same with other politicians ...describe an Olympic Event based on their core skills and self reliant capabilities...
Might be able to pick good candidates just based on the events in their 'athalon' ...
I don't want to see any "athalon" that Barney Frank gets to participate in.......... :o :o :o
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FYI: Men's Biathlon is on NBC today at 3:00 est
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Here is an interesting project related to biathlon. Russian toggle bolt biathlon rifle is a basis for their urban combat sniper rifle SV-99. They are not big on squirrel hunting over there, you know. 22LR turned out to be very combat worthy cartridge within 100' range.
One of the guys from the Rimfire Central forum is trying to bring them here. See the link for more details
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266965&page=7 (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266965&page=7)
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