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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: a1abob on February 17, 2010, 10:42:59 AM
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Doing a show on cheep guns is a great idea, I always wanted a 1911, but couldn't justify the cost. A friend turned me on to the Rock Island Armory couldn't be happier. If you do a show on cheep guns don't forget the RIA.
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+1 This is a great idea for a show.
The Pincus has brought up the point on past threads that the best value out there to be had is in used revolvers.... I would also add: especially ones that are not Smith or Colt -- Although they can often be found at very nice price points also.
I have mentioned it before and will say it again.... I have a buddy who has an older Charter Arms snubbie .38 thats worth about $150 but it is a reliable CCW gun that I would have no problem betting my life on. IMO, thats almost priceless.
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I think you are confusing inexpensive with cheap. (I myself prefer the term thrifty) ;D.Seriously Eric is right. If you look at guns revolvers and rifles and even double shot guns, just find something well made before it becomes cool. Savage rifles, Taurus or Charter pistols, Rossi shotguns etc. Rock River seems to fall in this category. People are turned off because its made in the
Phillipines, but if anybody in the worls should know 1911's, its them. ;D
FQ13 who will dutifully sit in the corner ;)
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Yep, the guys in the Philippines had a very direct effect on the creation of the 1911! LOL! I agree with the Pincus that very high quality used revolvers are often available for incredible discount prices. I do like the Walter P38/P1 as a surprisingly good gun at a low price...when the Sig 225/P5 police guns were flooding the market (at $279!!) they were amazing deals. They're still around for $379, which is an excellent price for one of the best guns Sig has ever made. I definitely want to use the P38/P1 in an IDPA match, just to see how the gun runs in that context.
Michael B
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Ahhh, the Rock Island 1911.... One of my favorite guns in the safe. ;D With it, I have on 2 separate occasions made a shot on an empty oxy-acetalene bottle at 413 yards. I bought mine at a gun show off of a high school buddy of mine. I gotta put a new barrel in mine. Some good revolvers that are still fairly priced when you see them are the Ruger Speed, Security, and Service Six.
I wish I'd bought a Colt 1917 when I last saw them for $450.....
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Yep, the guys in the Philippines had a very direct effect on the creation of the 1911! LOL! I agree with the Pincus that very high quality used revolvers are often available for incredible discount prices. I do like the Walter P38/P1 as a surprisingly good gun at a low price...when the Sig 225/P5 police guns were flooding the market (at $279!!) they were amazing deals. They're still around for $379, which is an excellent price for one of the best guns Sig has ever made. I definitely want to use the P38/P1 in an IDPA match, just to see how the gun runs in that context.
Michael B
HAHAHAHAHA! Its Official..... he has a nickname. 8) ;D
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FQ, it's Rock Island, not Rock River.
Love thos DA Ruger Six series, but I don't seem to find them at reasonable prices. They have quite a following.
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Never had a problem with my Taurus.
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When I had my Taurus Millennium and PT24/7PRO I never had a failure. I even completed several qualification shoots with them and they are loaded with features that make sense. Cheap price for a lot of gun. The Millennium was awesome for CCW too. High capacity in a small package. Not to mention the fact that when they came out the PT1911 was an incredible value. Then they expanded the line and jacked up the price from about $500 to a modest $650.
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Had a old timer at the gun shop where I bought it at tell me that they were one of the best bang for the buck. My Taurus 92 AF eats all types of ammo. My glock is the same way. The smith and wesson I use to have was picky.
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My Taurus, Kel-Tec, are all good to go. Been shot hard and tested with a variety of ammo. Like a Timex watch. Cheep does not mean junk. Bought my now ex-wife a Davis .380 now Cobra, but that damn thing worked everytime also, paid $99.00 for it in 1995, NIB. She still has it, bitch....
I just want my Ruger Police Service Six back I gave up/had to sell, like an idiot....Should have went to the blood donor/plasma center instead...,
I paid $250.00 for it, former Orange County, Ca, Sheriff's Office issue, bull barrel SS, 4" barrel, great shooter,....bought in 1993, sold in 1997. :'( I'd rather have it back.
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I bought a CZ-99 (AKA EZ-40) from CDNN for $360 including fees, shipping and all and I was miffed later because they dropped the price to $299 a few months later and I missed it. I love this pistol! It is a Yugo copy of a SIG with fully ambidextrous controls. A friend I took it out and ran a few hundred rounds through it and it was every bit as accurate as his CZ-75 compact. The barrel uses the same steel alloy as the Yugo M-84 machinegun and is hard chromed and it didn't heat up like the CZ-75 barrel did which is supposed to make the barrel last longer and does make it nicer to shoot and reholster after.
I don't know if this one qualifies as "Cheap" but given what you get I would say so.
If you want more info on the CZ (again, Yugo, not Czech)
http://www.cz99.org/index.php?page=main (http://www.cz99.org/index.php?page=main)
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Yep, the guys in the Philippines had a very direct effect on the creation of the 1911! LOL! I agree with the Pincus that very high quality used revolvers are often available for incredible discount prices. I do like the Walter P38/P1 as a surprisingly good gun at a low price...when the Sig 225/P5 police guns were flooding the market (at $279!!) they were amazing deals. They're still around for $379, which is an excellent price for one of the best guns Sig has ever made. I definitely want to use the P38/P1 in an IDPA match, just to see how the gun runs in that context.
Michael B
I have spat my vodka all over the computer on that on Michael. The best SIG is an oxymoron in the first place, but to say the 225 is at a higher plateau than the 220........ you must be jesting me?
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When I saw the title of this thread I expected it to be about Davis and Jennings type handguns. Back in the early 80's I bought a J-22 Jennings and it fired several hundred rounds before it would no longer cycle reliably, it cost about $55 out the door at Walmart. Some of the best buys in the firearms market have been the surplus arms from police trade-ins and overseas imports. A word of advice for the few who haven't figured this out yet, when quality surplus hits the market at super prices buy, buy ,buy. Colt New Service in good condition $155 in 1990, Mauser C-96 (broomhandle) $100 in 1992, Smith and Wesson 1917 revolver $175 in 1988. The opportunities are still coming in and one I missed was the temporary supply of Lugers at bargain prices. The other source for bargain, not junk guns is the local pawn shop if you know what you are looking at. I purchased a Colt Official Police for $100 plus tax at Eazypawn back when they sold firearms, just know what a fair price is and ask them politely "what is your best price?".
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When I saw the title of this thread I expected it to be about Davis and Jennings type handguns. Back in the early 80's I bought a J-22 Jennings and it fired several hundred rounds before it would no longer cycle reliably, it cost about $55 out the door at Walmart. Some of the best buys in the firearms market have been the surplus arms from police trade-ins and overseas imports. A word of advice for the few who haven't figured this out yet, when quality surplus hits the market at super prices buy, buy ,buy. Colt New Service in good condition $155 in 1990, Mauser C-96 (broomhandle) $100 in 1992, Smith and Wesson 1917 revolver $175 in 1988. The opportunities are still coming in and one I missed was the temporary supply of Lugers at bargain prices. The other source for bargain, not junk guns is the local pawn shop if you know what you are looking at. I purchased a Colt Official Police for $100 plus tax at Eazypawn back when they sold firearms, just know what a fair price is and ask them politely "what is your best price?".
Most of these other guys seem to have more income than me, so of course their collections are lager than mine.
But YOU, You find deals that I could have afforded if I had been paying attention !
I HATE YOU ;D
C - 96 $ 100 :'( :-\ :-[ :-\ :'(
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I can vouch for the Tokarev pistol I shot with deepwater last Fall. It is "cheap", ammo is "cheap", and it is built like a tank, and went bang every time.
It is really ugly, (even uglier than a Glock,) ;) but I would get one in a minute. It fits the criteria of a combat proven pistol, and was launching sparks on the range backstop, and combat accuracy was spot on.
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I can vouch for the Tokarev pistol I shot with deepwater last Fall. It is "cheap", ammo is "cheap", and it is built like a tank, and went bang every time.
It is really ugly, (even uglier than a Glock,) ;) but I would get one in a minute. It fits the criteria of a combat proven pistol, and was launching sparks on the range backstop, and combat accuracy was spot on.
The Norinco Model 213 is the same gun in 9MM Luger, still find them around for under $250
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The modern Tokarev;
http://www.eaacorp.com/zastava-m88-TP.html
Check out the list price. I have seen them at gun shows for as little as $230.