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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: GUNS-R-US on February 19, 2010, 01:54:09 PM
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Any body ever heard of this guy? I came across this on Arm American Radio's Facebook page. This is supposedly Joaquin Jackson going for the NRA's Board of Directors once again, talking about how he believes that all civilian firearms should be limited to just five (5) cartridges. This is outrageous that he should even be on the board, let alone recommended. Is this guy really on the Board? I can't seem to find a list of the Board Members. If so we need to get this guy off the board! >:(
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I would say that a good number of the NRA members agree with him.
there are a bunch of fudds out there.
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Former texas Ranger, good man
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NRA news has links to the rest of that interview where Jackson, a Retired Texas Ranger, Makes clear that he means for HUNTING, His argument is that if you learn to shoot you don't NEED 10 or 15 rounds for a Mule deer.
Not even a Texas one ;D
I can't fault his reasoning, and , NH anyway, already has a 5 round limit, but he does come across to Fuddish to stay.
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unless your hunting dangerous game, you should not need more then 1, 2 at the very most.
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NRA news has links to the test of that interview where Jackson, a Retired Texas Ranger, Makes clear that he means for HUNTING, His argument is that if you learn to shoot you don't NEED 10 or 15 rounds for a Mule deer.
Not even a Texas one ;D
I can't fault his reasoning, and , NH anyway, already has a 5 round limit, but he does come across to Fuddish to stay.
unless your hunting dangerous game, you should not need more then 1, 2 at the very most.
Former texas Ranger, good man
I can and do fault his reasoning. I don't think I NEED more than 5 rounds to accomplish most tasks either, BUT I don't think Civilians for what ever the reason should be limited to only 5 rounds. In that interview he didn't exempt S.D. or Target practice. He should certainly mention that if in fact that's what he means. I don't like or believe in ammunition capacity limits for anything! If you want to hunt with 100round drum on your AK go for it!! I wouldn't want to lug all that extra weight around but I won't tell you; you can't. I think his comments are kinda like the Jim Zumbo comments about hunting with AR's! Though the Founding Fathers had never heard of "STANDARD" capacity magazines, I don't think they would have included anything in the 2A to limit them if they had. I also know lots of good men and women that have served this country the military and law enforcement, but my opinion of them starts to falter when they advocate limiting constitutionally protected rights.
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I'm with you.. I usually don't NEED more than 2 rds to hunt big game.. but I'll be damned if I want someone telling me what I need and don't need while I am hunting.
If I want to take 50 rounds with me out deer hunting then by golly that is no ones business but mine. !
So there!
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I'm with you.. I usually don't NEED more than 2 rds to hunt big game.. but I'll be damned if I want someone telling me what I need and don't need while I am hunting.
If I want to take 50 rounds with me out deer hunting then by golly that is no ones business but mine. !
So there!
THANK YOU Marshal'ette! ;D
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Lets see, I shoot a nice elk in WY and while I am dressing it a young grizzly decides that he wants it and starts putting a whoopin on me. Yea I want something that I can dump a crap load of bullets into fast when you are dealing with salty bears. I have started carrying extra ammo since we have had mules, goats, cattle, and horses end up dead here in SE Ohio. Some say mountain lions, and others say packs of feral dogs. My dad was cornered by a pack of wild dogs when he was gutting a deer here ten years ago.
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Michigan, and I believe many other states have a 5 round mag capacity limit on semiautos for hunting. That is one of the reasons a 5 round magazine is available for the Ruger 10-22.
Joaquin Jackson is not anti evil black rifle. There are other vidios out there of him, and his rebuttal to this one. He has authored a couple of books and I suggest reading them. Jackson is a good man and worthy of a position on the NRA board or directors.
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One Ranger... Joaquin Jackson
http://www.oneranger.org/
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I will vote against this bastard.....Tom, he made perfectly clear that "assault weapons" should be restricted to the police and military, but only versions that are restricted to five round capacities should be allowed for civilians.
And I also think TAB might be right too that there are many members out there who agree with him.....
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Michigan, and I believe many other states have a 5 round mag capacity limit on semiautos for hunting. That is one of the reasons a 5 round magazine is available for the Ruger 10-22.
Joaquin Jackson is not anti evil black rifle. There are other vidios out there of him, and his rebuttal to this one. He has authored a couple of books and I suggest reading them. Jackson is a good man and worthy of a position on the NRA board or directors.
That's why I started this tread. To find the truth to this! I don't know him and as so often is the case when NRA elections are held I don't really know who to vote for. I prefer members with a GOA or JPFO outlook. But there's usually not much info available about what the candidates think. Just names on a ballot with no campaigning like in public office to tell me what they believe in. For instance, I own a very nice corner lot on a well traveled road that's a great spot for election signs, so last year I had a local candidate for city elections wanting to put a election sign in my yard, but it was a nonpartisan seat so he wouldn't layout his beliefs for me, so no sign in my yard! He may be a good fellow, but that interview made him seam like a very bad fellow in my eyes. In the video he said for "civilian use" when people use that phrase in restricting terms is scares me! "Assault Weapons are okay for the Government, but not for you little people" is essentially what I heard on the last half of the video.
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I just listened to this again and there is no way to pretend that he is anything but an anti gun POS. Between his initial statement and final statement it sounds like he thinks that rifles owned by private citizens are only for hunting. The NRA's attempts to cover for him have caused this life member to seriously question the commitment to the second amendment of the people in power at the NRA.
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Found this:
STATEMENT OF JOAQUIN JACKSON
Recently, some misunderstandings have arisen about a news interview in which I participated a few years ago. After recently watching a tape of that interview, I understand the sincere concerns of many people, including dear friends of mine. And I am pleased and eager to clear up any confusion about my long held belief in the sanctity of the Second Amendment.
In the interview, when asked about my views of “assault weapons,” I was talking about true assault weapons – fully automatic firearms. I was not speaking, in any way, about semiautomatic rifles. While the media may not understand this critical distinction, I take it very seriously. But, as a result, I understand how some people may mistakenly take my comments to mean that I support a ban on civilian ownership of semiautomatic firearms. Nothing could be further from the truth. And, unfortunately, the interview was cut short before I could fully explain my thoughts and beliefs.
In fact, I am a proud owner of such rifles, as are millions of law-abiding Americans. And many Americans also enjoy owning fully automatic firearms, after being cleared by a background check and meeting the rigorous regulations to own such firearms. And these millions of lawful gun owners have every right – and a Second Amendment right – to own them.
As a hunter, I take great pride in my marksmanship. Every hunter should practice to be skilled to take prey with a single shot, if possible. That represents ethical, humane, skilled hunting. In the interview several years ago, I spoke about this aspect of hunting and my belief that no hunter should take the field and rely upon high capacity magazines to take their prey.
But that comment should never be mistaken as support for the outright banning of any ammunition magazines. In fact, such bans have been pursued over the years by state legislatures and the United States Congress and these magazine bans have always proven to be abject failures.
Let me be very clear. As a retired Texas Ranger, during 36 years of law enforcement service, I was sworn to uphold the United States Constitution. As a longtime hunter and shooter, an NRA Board Member, and as an American – I believe the Second Amendment is a sacred right of all law-abiding Americans and, as I stated in the interview in question, I believe it is the Second Amendment that ensures all of our other rights handed down by our Founding Fathers.
I have actively opposed gun bans and ammunition and magazine bans in the past, and I will continue to actively oppose such anti-gun schemes in the future.
I appreciate my friends who have brought this misunderstanding to light, for it has provided me an opportunity to alleviate any doubts about my strong support for the NRA and our Second Amendment freedom.
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Works for me.
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Found this:
STATEMENT OF JOAQUIN JACKSON
Recently, some misunderstandings have arisen about a news interview in which I participated a few years ago. After recently watching a tape of that interview, I understand the sincere concerns of many people, including dear friends of mine. And I am pleased and eager to clear up any confusion about my long held belief in the sanctity of the Second Amendment.
In the interview, when asked about my views of “assault weapons,” I was talking about true assault weapons – fully automatic firearms. I was not speaking, in any way, about semiautomatic rifles. While the media may not understand this critical distinction, I take it very seriously. But, as a result, I understand how some people may mistakenly take my comments to mean that I support a ban on civilian ownership of semiautomatic firearms. Nothing could be further from the truth. And, unfortunately, the interview was cut short before I could fully explain my thoughts and beliefs.
In fact, I am a proud owner of such rifles, as are millions of law-abiding Americans. And many Americans also enjoy owning fully automatic firearms, after being cleared by a background check and meeting the rigorous regulations to own such firearms. And these millions of lawful gun owners have every right – and a Second Amendment right – to own them.
As a hunter, I take great pride in my marksmanship. Every hunter should practice to be skilled to take prey with a single shot, if possible. That represents ethical, humane, skilled hunting. In the interview several years ago, I spoke about this aspect of hunting and my belief that no hunter should take the field and rely upon high capacity magazines to take their prey.
But that comment should never be mistaken as support for the outright banning of any ammunition magazines. In fact, such bans have been pursued over the years by state legislatures and the United States Congress and these magazine bans have always proven to be abject failures.
Let me be very clear. As a retired Texas Ranger, during 36 years of law enforcement service, I was sworn to uphold the United States Constitution. As a longtime hunter and shooter, an NRA Board Member, and as an American – I believe the Second Amendment is a sacred right of all law-abiding Americans and, as I stated in the interview in question, I believe it is the Second Amendment that ensures all of our other rights handed down by our Founding Fathers.
I have actively opposed gun bans and ammunition and magazine bans in the past, and I will continue to actively oppose such anti-gun schemes in the future.
I appreciate my friends who have brought this misunderstanding to light, for it has provided me an opportunity to alleviate any doubts about my strong support for the NRA and our Second Amendment freedom.
I will still vote against this bastard!....It is time for some house cleaning on our side and his kind has to go....
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Thanks for digging that up Wolfe. I hope it was a sincere statement. I would like to see a video of if anyone can find it. :-\ I hope we can find those on the NRA board who are not true to the Second Amendment and remove them from the board. I support the NRA, but I would like to see them improve their stance on some issues. I was very disappointed that they didn't support that school teacher in Oregon in her fight for her right to carry! >:(
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Old phrase "Politics make strange bedfellows" comes to mind....I have let this thread evolve on its own before posting, because I know the resources and members here, quest for the "real deal" would be posted.
I don't know this guy, it's my own fault, I always "assumed" the NRA and its board, would fundamentally hold the 2nd Amend as sacred. That's why it's 2nd and not 22nd.
The issues arise when one "politicizes" or begins to "interpret", an otherwise very simple Amendment, and than has to "explain" himself as to what he truly meant. ???
Stop the "regulating" and "interpreting" our Amendments, I guess is the point I'm trying to make.
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An e-mail reply to me from Joaquin, whom I met once at a gun show, funny, he replied twice and called me Bob twice. In his own words to me.
Hello Bob. Yes I remember you, reference the interview, what I said was taken out of conception as I did not get to follow and explain, I was talking about hunters in particular, I feel that if a hunter needs more than five rounds to get his game, then he needs to take some shooting lessons, but I also feel that if he wants to carry a 30 or 40 round magazine with him that is his right, I stand firm and fight for the 2nd admendment, and as I took an oath as a Ranger to protect and uphold these rights, I took a lot of heat over that interview but I think I finally got it straighten out. I am set in my ways about marksmanship, especially law enforcement, but anyone who owns a weapon should become proficient with it. I hope this answers your question. Any law abidding citizen of this country, and mentally sound should be able to own any weapon he chooses and all the ammo he wants. Joaquin
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Reading his statement still does not explain why he should be an NRA director. Making statements contrary to what he now claims to believe and being willing to throw machine gun owners under the bus make it clear that we can do far better than Joaquin Jackson.
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Reading his statement still does not explain why he should be an NRA director. Making statements contrary to what he now claims to believe and being willing to throw machine gun owners under the bus make it clear that we can do far better than Joaquin Jackson.
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ZUMBO part two3456789
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Yea I think I mentioned that possibility. It's a mistake that cost him dearly. Some people are Hunters and some people are Shooters. I'm a Shooter first and a hunter second! I hunt as a byproduct of shooting not the other way around, which is the group I think most gun owners in this country fall in.
An e-mail reply to me from Joaquin, whom I met once at a gun show, funny, he replied twice and called me Bob twice. In his own words to me.
Hello Bob. Yes I remember you, reference the interview, what I said was taken out of conception as I did not get to follow and explain, I was talking about hunters in particular, I feel that if a hunter needs more than five rounds to get his game, then he needs to take some shooting lessons, but I also feel that if he wants to carry a 30 or 40 round magazine with him that is his right, I stand firm and fight for the 2nd admendment, and as I took an oath as a Ranger to protect and uphold these rights, I took a lot of heat over that interview but I think I finally got it straighten out. I am set in my ways about marksmanship, especially law enforcement, but anyone who owns a weapon should become proficient with it. I hope this answers your question. Any law abidding citizen of this country, and mentally sound should be able to own any weapon he chooses and all the ammo he wants. Joaquin
Thanks for adding this to the tread. It does make me feel better about him and his stance on 2A issues reading it, and know it came from him through you helps as well.
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Who is this putz? He wants to restrict "civilians" from having "assault weapons"? Limit them to Military and LE only? How was this ........ person ever proposed for the B of D anyway? To quote a line from some other fool "Throw the bum out". If this is what is being discussed in the NRA B of D we need to fire them all and start over.
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Who is this putz? He wants to restrict "civilians" from having "assault weapons"? Limit them to Military and LE only? How was this ........ person ever proposed for the B of D anyway? To quote a line from some other fool "Throw the bum out". If this is what is being discussed in the NRA B of D we need to fire them all and start over.
He's been on the board for several years, in fact this interview took place a couple years or more ago.
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Guys
I Think we need to take a deep breath here. One there is a difference between hunting regs and gun control laws. As an avid wing shooter, I am all in favor of the 3 round mag restriction for waterfowl and wished it applied to upland game as well. Higher capacity leads to a "spray and pray" flock shooting mentality and wasted and wounded game. Any serious hunter out there has seen it.
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A "sporting purposes" test" FOR a sporting purpose, is a whole different animal than a mag ban for general use. If I hunt the tax payers ducks on the tax payer's land, I I have zero problem with a plug that limits me to three. However, once the hunt is over, I want all 8 (or 5 vs 30 if we're talking rifles and deer). I own an 8+1 round shotgun and an AR. I support the three and 5 FOR HUNTING. Otherwise, HELL NO! I don't see a contradiction here. One is a reg imposed by DNR for licencesed hunters in the field, the other is a law applied to every one. Its apples and oranges.
FQ13 who doesn't know this guy, or any one else on the board. What I WANt is someone who will not give an inch on the 2A for general purposes and will support a candidate of any party who is pro-2A.
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Guys
I Think we need to take a deep breath here. One there is a difference between hunting regs and gun control laws. As an avid wing shooter, I am all in favor of the 3 round mag restriction for waterfowl and wished it applied to upland game as well. Higher capacity leads to a "spray and pray" flock shooting mentality and wasted and wounded game. Any serious hunter out there has seen it.
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A "sporting purposes" test" FOR a sporting purpose, is a whole different animal than a mag ban for general use. If I hunt the tax payers ducks on the tax payer's land, I I have zero problem with a plug that limits me to three. However, once the hunt is over, I want all 8 (or 5 vs 30 if we're talking rifles and deer). I own an 8+1 round shotgun and an AR. I support the three and 5 FOR HUNTING. Otherwise, HELL NO! I don't see a contradiction here. One is a reg imposed by DNR for licencesed hunters in the field, the other is a law applied to every one. Its apples and oranges.
FQ13 who doesn't know this guy, or any one else on the board. What I WANt is someone who will not give an inch on the 2A for general purposes and will support a candidate of any party who is pro-2A.
Using your logic, do you think it's a valid function of government to restrict your magazine capacity on your firearms as you travel down tax payer funded roads, on sidewalks or in parks? Hell, you could go crazy and spray and kill a bunch of people. That's what happens when we put high capacity, or put large caliber, or put select fire weapons into the hands of these crazy citizens. They really need to be controlled.....And DNR is....a government agency, right? And hunters are.....a subset of the population, right? Your whole argument above is just ridiculous.... ::)
But more to the point of this thread: the interview in question he really made clear what he believes in my mind. All of these clarifications since are just political maneuvering to cover his behind, which I believe has worked so far. He sits on the board of the NRA, which means he has significant influence over how they approach issues. It's that general mindset from a time gone by that I don't want.
And I will not vote for this guy.
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Fullauto
I do not have a dog in this fight. I generally don't vote in Board elections unless I am particularly pro or con a member. Like most of us, I don't have enough info to make an informed choice.
On your post though, I would submit the following. Hunting regs are NOT gun control. Just the rules of a particular game (witness most states with CCWs allowing a pistol for SD in archery season). The mag restrictions are to conserve game and maximize everyone's enjoyment. There is no discernable political agenda in whether I can shoot 3 shots or 5 at a duck. Its about game management. Buy the license, play the game. Its apples and oranges to the 2A, which is definately not about a game. I think you are politicizing what isn't political here.
FQ13 who wonders "do you hunt"?
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I'm going with FQ on this one.
Every shooting sport has "Rules", Trap, Skeet, and Sporting clays even limit you to 2 rounds.
So a magazine limit for hunting is nothing new, and no big deal.
I must add that I'm am a bit put out with some of you for condemning a guy based on an interview manipulated by the anti gun, MSM, when unslanted information is available in print and on line.
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FQ13 who wonders "do you hunt"?
I realize your question is rhetorical but I'll answer anyway...
Not now but have in the past. I hunted deer from a stand and hated it when they ran dogs to hunt deer.....
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I realize your question is rhetorical but I'll answer anyway...
Not now but have in the past. I hunted deer from a stand and hated it when they ran dogs to hunt deer.....
Which is why I hate 5 shots in a semi auto on a covey rise. 3 guys decimate the birds and they ain't comin' back. Its like bag limits on fish. Sustain the population. Could vs should. You shouldn't need a reg. to tell you this, but you and I shouldn't need to carry either. Yet we do, because too many people skip that lesson :-\. The thing is, that the rules remind us of what we SHOULD do. Its not perfect, but better than nothing. It has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with ethical behavior, and John Locke's admonition to "leave as much and as good as you found behind you". People should just do this. Too many don't. A DNR rule reminds us of this, just as a good lock on the tool shed keeps an honest man honest.
FQ13 who is not preaching, just remembering seeing a lot of boneheads in the field do a lot of short sighted stuff.
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Hunting regulations, such as bore diameter and number of rounds are based on the experience with Bison and Passenger pigeons, People hunted the birds with boat mounted cannon loaded with bird shoot, Hundreds, even thousands of birds a day were not noteworthy. When was the last time you saw a Passenger Pigeon ?
Hunting is a money maker for State Budgets, just like Fishing or skiing, if destroyed by Humanities natural greed then EVERY one loses.
Which is the reason the first priesthoods formed, thousands of years ago, Proper management of natural resources is the key to survival.
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I've read this thread through and I agree with a lot that is said about hunting. Sgt H. Joaquin Jackson (Ret.) in his interview DID NOT, I repeat, DID NOT qualify his statement about "assault weapons" in the hands of "civilians". To justify this "gentleman's" statement by grousing about hunting regulations and slob hunters etc. doesn't address the original discussion on this "gentleman's" statement. Do we, as NRA members want anyone on the Board who advocates or even considers a restriction on what type of gun a "civilian" can own? I for one don't! Let's separate hunting and shooting from ownership, remember there are collectors who don't hunt and/or shoot on a regular basis. Sorry this is so long winded I don't do much forum stuff but this is one I really feel can't be just let go by.
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I take back my smart a$$ ZUMBO statement we need all gun lovers, hunters, shooters,collectors,LEOs,military oath keepers and anybody else we can get to fight the anti movement.Together is our only chance to retain our freedoms in the future.Not just guns either all freedoms.We can't waste time fighting each other.We need all points of view to stand together UNITED.It's why BoHo & Brady wants to divide us.We are easy pickins divided.We are not easy UNITED.At least Joaquin is on our side not perfect but who is.
NOT ME FOR SURE HOW ABOUT YOU I may be an a$$hole but Iam your kind of a$$hole WHADDAYAHTHINK
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This is not a reply to anyone on this thread, but a general statement about the NRA, as members we can vote ( after you have been a member for x amount of yrs. ) but the people who run for the board are small in number and hard to interpret their real position on the 2A, now uncle Ted I think we will agree is a take no prisoners kind of guy, Joaquin, even though I have met him, I don't know, these reps are not out in public that much, expressing opinions and viewpoints, hell, I don't really like, Wayne La Pierre, but he has gotten better, reading his base and adjusting to some degree. Now once elected, this is a board of directors, who amongst themselves will decide who the president and Vice pres will be. The president will decide how the ideals will go, conservative, balls to the wall, or try to lose as little as possible as our 2A rights go. We do not have control over that, sad but true.
Now I had a good shooting friend who was president of the Texas state rifle association, who went on to become a NRA board member, a life long bullseye shooter, and a good one, We held the state championship 2700 match, most of the time. He thought us tactical/practical shooters as cowboys, with no skill. We held a state championship tactical pistol match, and used their beloved bullseye range, much to their disgust, so he was there to make sure we did not hurt THEIR, range. Of course we had barricades and obstacles to traverse, including jumping over saw horses, either holstered or pistol in hand and a target rich environment. The next week I am on the bullseye range, and he is telling his compadres, how the stage was set up, what we did and how WELL, we shot. A slow convert, at the NRA board, he sat next to Uncle Ted, and he had a hard time with his, in your face attitude, but became more of a " if we don't really go forward, we are just plugging the holes in the dike and will eventually lose." God rest his sole, dead now for 5 or 6 years, He really believed in the 2A, but did not get the whole idea until much later. He taught CCW classes and was a very good teacher, and I think that helped bring him around in the end.
The point is, most of us don't really know who we are voting for, once they are published as candidates, contact them and find out where they stand, these are usually not politcians, but normal folk, shooters of some discipline, or just hunters, some are genuine 2A only, they may shoot 20 rounds a year, but believe our rights are precious enough to fight for and become a director, who has to provide their own air fair or drive to washington to be present. Long way from Texas.
Lastly, RIP, Jim Nicholson, a true southern Gentleman, who taught me more about how politics work, than any other person.
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Good words m25. Thank you for your perspective, knowledge, insight, and opinion.
As usual... ;)
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I have just been reviewing the nominations for the NRA. I usually check to see if anyone from Pa is running,
also the adjoining States. Some years I vote, other years it doesn't make much sense one way or the other.
I know this is a bad idea in a Democracy.
I agree with the majority, there is not much information to go. I try to make an informed decision
by checking the Organizations they belong to and what they do for a living.
While the candidate from Pa is from Philadelphia, and I reside in NW Pa, it sets a warning bell off. It my not be anything
but when your from rural areas and people from the Urban areas are representing you; sometimes you end up on the short
end of the stick.
Brad
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I am going to throw another idea at you, run for office, Michael would be great as many on this forum, but it is not a paid position, you get to tote the note on travel, room and board. If you want hard core candidates, it might be you ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Good words m25. Thank you for your perspective, knowledge, insight, and opinion.
As usual... ;)
Ditto, M25....I still may not vote for the guy, but I will certainly keep what you have written in mind.
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I was originally going to vote for Joaquin just based on his being a retired Ranger. Now, I don't know. My first response when reading his printed "clarification" was "Zumbo" - found religion after the fact. That and his willingness to ix-nay full auto "assault weapons" for civilians. Unless he has a clarification for that one too.
I do agree that the NRA needs a serious housecleaning - I get a sense that there are way too many hunter-gun-only types and fudd-like people on the Board.
Now I have to dig into each person in a lot more detail. Time to work up my not-google-search-fu and start searching.
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I was originally going to vote for Joaquin just based on his being a retired Ranger. Now, I don't know. My first response when reading his printed "clarification" was "Zumbo" - found religion after the fact. That and his willingness to ix-nay full auto "assault weapons" for civilians. Unless he has a clarification for that one too.
I do agree that the NRA needs a serious housecleaning - I get a sense that there are way too many hunter-gun-only types and fudd-like people on the Board.
Now I have to dig into each person in a lot more detail. Time to work up my not-google-search-fu and start searching.
Thing is Path, we can't divide as Operator said. Its like the GOP. They don't have a positive platform, don't have a leader, but they DO have a civil war between RINOs and Movement conservatives. That way leads to badness. Howard Dean had it right. A fifty state strategy and a big tent. Pro-life, pro-gun, pro-war? Welcome to the Democratic party. We need to do the same. The rules should be:
1 No guns are "bad" and no, I won't compromise, or bid against myself by saying which ones are "unreasonable"
2 If you shoot because you hunt, or just shoot, we're on the same side, lets not pick stupid fights. (Easy for me to say since I do both, I know. But the thing is, I bought my .270 bolt to hunt. I bought my AR to do exactly what it was designed for, and I don't see a contradiction.).
3 Don't marry yourself to a larger cause or one party. You aren't there to be a conservative or a liberal but to be pro-2A. Period, full stop. Got an opinion on abortion, healthcare, spending, global warming? Keep it to yourself. That's not what I'm paying you for. I expect the NRA to defend Harry Reid as much as Mitch Mcconnell. Bastards both, but our bastards, and that's all I want the NRA to see. Its a single issue group and I want them focused on that issue and nothing else. Leave the rest to other groups.
FQ13
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FQ has some valid points. The Members of "Pink Pistols" probably ALL voted Lib. Dem.
But they were the ones who stood up to San Francisco, and they ARE a part of the "Gun Lobby"
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As with other large business's, FQ, including our own gov't, there is a time to let the system re-boot. Over the years, the NRA does have our back, but has become a mainstay of the "inside the beltway" mentality also.
What Uncle Ted says may rub some people the wrong way, but ask yourself why?
"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic."
Ted Nugent
"Only a coward supports gun control, you know how to stop car jacking? Shoot the carjacker. If someone is going to kill me for my Buick, I'm gonna shoot until I'm out of ammo, and then I'll call 911."
Ted Nugent, People Magazine, 1994
To some, even in the NRA, this may seem to rough, to brash. IMHO, this is the exact time to ratify what a simple Amendment states.
Hunting regs. to the states are just the way it is. Fine. BUT if I want to hunt deer with a 6.8 Grendel AR, and get my stamp also FINE.
I just renewed my NRA membership, (again), because what they do helps us all. Hunters, shooters, even the 20rd a year guy.
They do have to remember that the overwhelming majority of the world, the Brady Bunch, the Rebecca Peters and Bloombergs of the world won't stop.
I don't want a politically correct NRA.
Rant off.. Looking forward to May in Charlotte.
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We have had this discussion before, I would love uncle Ted to be president of the NRA,, not to many people have his presence, his clear eyed in your face, facts up front and great diatribe, hard to argue with speech. But he has to appointed by the board. That is the hard part. Pick your people well, and let them know what you expect of them, and always remember, these people are volunteers, not paid and do it out of their hearts, however guided. There is no payoff but prestige and work, I think the prestige wears off fast.
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We have had this discussion before, I would love uncle Ted to be president of the NRA,, not to many people have his presence, his clear eyed in your face, facts up front and great diatribe, hard to argue with speech. But he has to appointed by the board. That is the hard part. Pick your people well, and let them know what you expect of them, and always remember, these people are volunteers, not paid and do it out of their hearts, however guided. There is no payoff but prestige and work, I think the prestige wears off fast.
he also a hypocrit and pisses people off.
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Thing is Path, we can't divide as Operator said. Its like the GOP. They don't have a positive platform, don't have a leader, but they DO have a civil war between RINOs and Movement conservatives. That way leads to badness. Howard Dean had it right. A fifty state strategy and a big tent. Pro-life, pro-gun, pro-war? Welcome to the Democratic party. We need to do the same. The rules should be:
1 No guns are "bad" and no, I won't compromise, or bid against myself by saying which ones are "unreasonable"
2 If you shoot because you hunt, or just shoot, we're on the same side, lets not pick stupid fights. (Easy for me to say since I do both, I know. But the thing is, I bought my .270 bolt to hunt. I bought my AR to do exactly what it was designed for, and I don't see a contradiction.).
3 Don't marry yourself to a larger cause or one party. You aren't there to be a conservative or a liberal but to be pro-2A. Period, full stop. Got an opinion on abortion, healthcare, spending, global warming? Keep it to yourself. That's not what I'm paying you for. I expect the NRA to defend Harry Reid as much as Mitch Mcconnell. Bastards both, but our bastards, and that's all I want the NRA to see. Its a single issue group and I want them focused on that issue and nothing else. Leave the rest to other groups.
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FQ, I don't want us to be divided either, but this isn't about dividing us. It's about voting for those whom you think will serve your interests on the NRA Board the best. I'm not a liberal gun owner and I don't want to vote for a liberal gun owner on the NRA Board. Don't mistake me, just as I don't like our current Prez, but being I'm in the military, I will take his orders and carry them out to the best of my ability and in the next election I'll cast my vote for someone other than him. So I'll stand beside who ever gets the votes and continue to support the NRA as a hole, but I'm going to vote for conservative gun owners like our friend Uncle Ted when I can find them. So when it comes to the elections if I know you don't see the 2A the way I do, I'm going to vote for someone else who I think does. That's why I wanted to know if Joaquin Jackson sees things the way I and many of you do. I can't say I will or won't vote for him next time, depends on who else is running.
I am going to throw another idea at you, run for office, Michael would be great as many on this forum, but it is not a paid position, you get to tote the note on travel, room and board. If you want hard core candidates, it might be you ;D ;D ;D ;D
As for me running for the Board Bob, I'd love to but it'll have to wait a couple years till I have a little more disposable income for the airfare and such, Washington state is even further from DC than Texas! ;D
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he also a hypocrit and pisses people off.
How so.....
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How so.....
he had a buddy swear him in as a LEO so he could carry nation wide, then he talks about how CCW holders are not crimals, and how he goes on raids and protects the public.
Becoming a LEO in title only so you can do what you want, is a bad thing. I use to love ted, then I found out about this crap, now he is just anoter crazy guy talking out of his ass.