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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: mrmatt2you on February 22, 2010, 09:07:47 PM
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Has anyone ever noticed when you see a book cover where they are showing a bullet that is "shot" but still in the casing flying thru the air? Do these book companies not have any editors to catch that?
Another one is when you are watching a tv show and you see people loading a gun and they are using FMJ instead of hollow point? That just drives me nuts. Do the tv shows not have any technical advisors to catch this? Sorry had to vent.
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Some have technical directors, and some have good technical directors, this happens all the time and more fun for us, stupid acts on screen that are fundamental to us are oblivious to them....
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For a while H&K was using an ad photo Showing a pistol with a loaded magazine beside it.
The bullets were backwards in the mag. ::)
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(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx191/saharrold/HK-1.jpg)
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I had heard that H&K didn't catch it until it went to print and thousands were printed and many distributed. Bill T.
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How about the people in movies or TV shows constantly racking the slide? I've seen some of these people do it 2 or 3 times in a scene, but you never see a round being ejected.
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(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx191/saharrold/HK-1.jpg)
I guess the H&K Marketing Department didn't have any gun people employed. I suppose in Germany (assuming Germany handled the catalog development) gun people are hard to find.
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Its the Brady's latest safety requirement, rear loading mags. ::) Anyone wonder why their CS sucks?
FQ13
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I attempted to watch "The Replacement Killers" a couple of days ago and was amazed at the lack of firearm knowledge being displayed in an action movie. The lead character was going to attempt a sniper style assassination using what appeared to be an AR platform chambered in 9mm. I don't claim to be an expert, but if you're a professional killer, wouldn't you choose a better platform than the AR for distance work, as well as a round other than 9mm? Seems like any gun wrangler worth his salt could have advised them as to how little sense this setup made.
Swoop
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True, but, unless you're trying to do a realistic cop/war movie, who really cares? Its about looking cool. Hell, if it were realistic our hero would would be dead or in jail in the first 15 minutes. But, having said that, having that one little nit to pick after the movie is value added. ;)
FQ13
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True, but, unless you're trying to do a realistic cop/war movie, who really cares? Its about looking cool. Hell, if it were realistic our hero would would be dead or in jail in the first 15 minutes.
I agree it's just a movie, however this was not a drama nor a comedy where the action is secondary to the main goal of the film. This was an action movie that was geared toward an audience which, more than likely, will have at least a basic understanding of firearms, considering the desired demographic. I can deal with the occasional revolver that fires ten rounds, etc., but to me this was like a slingshot taking out a tank at 100 yards. I guess I just like to complain, though. :)
Swoop
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How about the people in movies or TV shows constantly racking the slide? I've seen some of these people do it 2 or 3 times in a scene, but you never see a round being ejected.
...to pile on that, there is the **sound** of a racking slide even when all they are doing to bringing the gun up from low ready to engagement. Swords in movies also often make the "pulling out of the scabbard" sound, even when they are just being re-positioned.
I have some old rattle-y 1911's but none of them make that much noise just by moving them around.
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Most people have complained about it at one time or another but my BIGGEST pet peeve is how people are lifted off their feet and literally thrown across a room when they are shot. Oddly, I think Professor Newton would disagree along about the 3rd law or so.
I also despise how someone who has never picked up a gun, will grab one at the crucial moment then make a miraculous 100 yard shot with a Raven .25 ACP to take down the rapidly zig-zagging bad guy.
Then of course their is the obnoxious scene where they have to throw down the gun in disgust and break into tear at what they've done.
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reading the other day and the main character heard the sound of the safety being taken off. he slowly turns around to see a man pointing a glock at his head.
Whiskey tango foxtrot?
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Another peeve of mine is when someone is shooting an Uzi and it's dumping .308 brass on the ground. ::)
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Another peeve of mine is when someone is shooting an Uzi and it's dumping .308 brass on the ground. ::)
What? You've never seen an Uzi in .308?!? ;D
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How about the people in movies or TV shows constantly racking the slide? I've seen some of these people do it 2 or 3 times in a scene, but you never see a round being ejected.
(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx191/saharrold/4040319174_e97aecdeac_o.gif)
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reading the other day and the main character heard the sound of the safety being taken off. he slowly turns around to see a man pointing a glock at his head.
Whiskey tango foxtrot?
+1
And one of my biggest peeves to pet is TV shows where you hear Glock being 'cocked'....Law & Order: SVU was the worst at it.
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I notice on NCIS, they are loaded with ball ammo. I am like you are #1 show on tv but skimp on the fake hollow points.
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I hate when you see an extended shooting scene with no reloads. No wonder non-gunny people think these guns can just spray bullets forever.
Also, when you see a pistol run dry (slide locks back) and in the instantaneous cut-scene, they are still shooting.\
… and someone holding someone at gunpoint at a grappling distance with a 1911, hammer down.
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The gun people in the game industry always give people crap for all lefty video games. Where every single gun in a game is left handed, but the main character is right handed, that way it makes shooting and reloading more interesting, or so some folks think.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
(http://www.zeden.net/imgs/news/2003-06/stalker_001.jpg)
(http://z.about.com/d/compactiongames/1/0/z/6/1/STALKER048.jpg)
Far Cry 2
(http://www.platformnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/far_cry_2_pics_46-1.jpg)
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/916/916925/far-cry-2--20081007102920898.jpg)
Battlefield: Bad Company
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/855/855557/battlefield-bad-company-20080227095249930_640w.jpg)
(http://www.primotechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/badcompany70.jpg)
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I saw a show just the other day where someone ran out of ammo with a 1911. The slide was locked back and they kept pulling the trigger. Click, click, click, about 6 times.
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I attempted to watch "The Replacement Killers" a couple of days ago and was amazed at the lack of firearm knowledge being displayed in an action movie. The lead character was going to attempt a sniper style assassination using what appeared to be an AR platform chambered in 9mm. I don't claim to be an expert, but if you're a professional killer, wouldn't you choose a better platform than the AR for distance work, as well as a round other than 9mm? Seems like any gun wrangler worth his salt could have advised them as to how little sense this setup made.
Swoop
Maybe another shot by the left to attempt to demonize the platform? Like my neighbor who claims the .22 is good for one thing - an "assassin's weapon". ::)
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I saw a show just the other day where someone ran out of ammo with a 1911. The slide was locked back and they kept pulling the trigger. Click, click, click, about 6 times.
Actually, thats pretty realistic. Adreneline is a strange thing. Studies have shown that many civil war soldiers loaded several rounds without firing. Same was true in WWI and WWII, only there it was just failure to reload, one dead soldier and lots of clips. Pulling the trigger effectively while thinking "Gee, I should change mags" happens only through practice and mental preparadness. Sad but true.
FQ13 who practices a lot as he know what a bone head he can be when bleeding, scared and in pain. Never underestimate muscle memory and ingrained drills. The corralary to this is don't think, "Gee I know this stuff, it's cave man simple". Wrong answer. If you have to think about it, you won't do it.
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I think that Jumbofrank meant that the gun clicked like an empty double-action gun. Extra bonus with the slide locked back. I've seen that a few times too. With my proximity to Hollywood, I ought to see if I can get a job in the firearms tech biz.
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I think that Jumbofrank meant that the gun clicked like an empty double-action gun. Extra bonus with the slide locked back. I've seen that a few times too. With my proximity to Hollywood, I ought to see if I can get a job in the firearms tech biz.
That's what I meant. It clicked like a double action. And it did it with the slide locked back.
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To me the guns look normal, since I shoot Lefty! I just hate seeing it being used right handed. THAT is what looks so funny to me. After looking down the barrel of my rifles and then starting a little stress relief gaming and have the shock of the rifle in the "wrong" hand.
The gun people in the game industry always give people crap for all lefty video games. Where every single gun in a game is left handed, but the main character is right handed, that way it makes shooting and reloading more interesting, or so some folks think.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
(http://www.zeden.net/imgs/news/2003-06/stalker_001.jpg)
(http://z.about.com/d/compactiongames/1/0/z/6/1/STALKER048.jpg)
Far Cry 2
(http://www.platformnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/far_cry_2_pics_46-1.jpg)
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/916/916925/far-cry-2--20081007102920898.jpg)
Battlefield: Bad Company
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/855/855557/battlefield-bad-company-20080227095249930_640w.jpg)
(http://www.primotechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/badcompany70.jpg)
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I notice on NCIS, they are loaded with ball ammo. I am like you are #1 show on tv but skimp on the fake hollow points.
That would be correct. Most NCIS Agents that I have worked with use standard Navy issue ammunition, which is ball. Easier than having two supply chains, one for ball and the other for JHPs.
As far as Technical Advisors:
Just because a production crew has one doesn't mean they have to LISTEN to them. If the scene is scripted a certain way and the director likes it that's the way it stays. Very few in the industry are true firearms people and the general public doesn't care. Action movies aren't targeted to gun people, they are targeted at say 20-35 y/o males. There is no requirement for them to "get it right" unless the director says so. Some are better than others. Some of the better ones have some training or are actual shooters but most don't worry about it as long as its "close enough." That's part of the reason people like Dale Dye are always cast in military movies, he is a Retired Marine Captain and can show the other actors the "right" way. Taran Bulter teaches classes for actors on shooting and gun handeling.
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Yesterday I saw another peeve of mine on TV. A car is getting shot up and the bullets make big sparks as they bounce off the glass and sheet metal.