The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: ms1212 on February 26, 2010, 02:28:12 PM
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I have wondered why no ammo company does not make a .22 mag that is designed for pistols with short barrels. The mag does not offer much more in a barrel shorter than 8" over a LR. Not that the Mag is great for SD but for a backup or in a pinch it could only help. Many carry the NAA in .22 mag and Kel-Tec is PMR-30 is going to be out soon. If it had a faster burn rate it would really zip it up in a short barrel pistol.
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no market for it. There are only a handful of handguns out there that can shoot a 22 mag. the 22 mag is basicly a pest destruction round.
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no market for it. There are only a handful of handguns out there that can shoot a 22 mag. the 22 mag is basicly a pest destruction round.
arent two legged varmints pests? ;D
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The original threat level 1 body armor could be penetrated by .22 mag from a high standard derringer, but not by a 9mm. Ergo the upper threat levels were produced. Not my choice, but the old High standard had something going for it. Not a manstopper per say, but nobody likes leaking blood, no matter what size orifice.
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a arrow with a broad head will go right thru soft armor too, but its not something I want to carry around. If I was really worried about body armor, I'd carry a 1911 in 9x25 dillon ;D
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The LR and the .17 HMR have really overshadowed the .22 Mag but there are still many users that have them in Revolvers and derringers and a few in auto. I guess we can all switch to the 5.7x28mm if we need a more zippy small caliber. ;)
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The LR and the .17 HMR have really overshadowed the .22 Mag but there are still many users that have them in Revolvers and derringers and a few in auto. I guess we can all switch to the 5.7x28mm if we need a more zippy small caliber. ;)
That's where I am...for home protection. Five Seven and sometimes a PS 90 backed up by a double barrel in the closet. My primary concern with defense is to make certain I don't harm one of my children...so I like the 5.7 for it's ability to disintegrate and bleed off energy more quickly than the 9MM, 40, 45 or others. I am of the opinion that more shots on the target is better and the 5.7 fits that description.
OK...off topic...my bad.
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Probably because it winds up at excessive pressures ? Or doesn't perform well ?
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That New Kel-Tec PMR30 looks interesting. You don't think it would be a good racoon gun for shorter distances??
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Let's broaden this a bit: is there .22lr ammo designed for pistols? Is there 9mm,.40S&W, or .45ACP ammo designed for carbines? You'd think they could have a faster (than normal) burning powder for the pistols, and slower for the carbines. I assume that if there's a huge plume of flame when you fire your gun that the powder is burning too slowly. (e.g. .30 carbine in a pistol)
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Given more time, I think that Hornady Superformance ammo will eventually trickle down to handgun ammo..... They figured out a way to make the powder more efficient and are getting like 20% velocity increases with it for rifles and w/o increased recoil or muzzle flash. Once they start using it for handgun ammo, you are really gonna see some significant performance increases with short barrel carry guns and mouse guns
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A friend had a AMT .22mag auto that was an interesting gun to shoot but I don't know how it solved any problems. Somewhere I read that it was about on a performance level with the .38spl but I have never seen that again.
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A friend had a AMT .22mag auto that was an interesting gun to shoot but I don't know how it solved any problems. Somewhere I read that it was about on a performance level with the .38spl but I have never seen that again.
Was it fun? If so, it solved a probolem: you, not having fun.
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Sure it was fun, how often do you get the chance to shoot a .22mag semi with a 3 inch barrel? I don't even know what AMT called that little jewel, its the only one I have ever seen.
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Sure it was fun, how often do you get the chance to shoot a .22mag semi with a 3 inch barrel? I don't even know what AMT called that little jewel, its the only one I have ever seen.
Automag II. My brother has one with about a 6" barrel.
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Automag II. My brother has one with about a 6" barrel.
22 Mag was just one of the Calibers it was offered in.
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Here's the Automag II-V family. http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg178-e.htm
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Let's broaden this a bit: is there .22lr ammo designed for pistols? Is there 9mm,.40S&W, or .45ACP ammo designed for carbines? You'd think they could have a faster (than normal) burning powder for the pistols, and slower for the carbines. I assume that if there's a huge plume of flame when you fire your gun that the powder is burning too slowly. (e.g. .30 carbine in a pistol)
I have often wondered that as you said in a broader sense. There are many carbines that share handgun ammo and it would be so much better to have a more tailored ammo for long guns and handguns. To me it would not be that much of an undertaking to customize the burn rates for specific applications. If you shoot certain ammo in lets say a T/C it almost looks like you have a mini flame thrower. That is very inefficient. I guess the demand is not there but if people understood how much velocity & energy is lost when shot in the wrong barrel length, it may be there.
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Here's the Automag II-V family. http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg178-e.htm
My Automag III in .30 Carbine
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8659/automag31.jpg)