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Flying Dragon Productions ( Michael Bane ) => The Best Defense on My Outdoor TV => Topic started by: ms1212 on March 03, 2010, 02:01:14 PM
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First, I am a big fan of TBD and SWAT TV, they are very educational and entertaining. Keep up the good work. This current season has taken it to new level IMO. On the same idea as a workplace shooting I would like to see a scenario of a Church Type shooting. This has been discussed on other threads on this forum and should be a concern for any church. I am the team leader of our churches security, we call ours a Safety Team, little more PC.
Also, an episode of what we as parents or grandparents can do to help keep our kids safe in case of an Active Shooter in there school or college. I have prepared my kids as much as I can to know what to do in case of various events at school.
Thanks again for DRTV and please keep of the great shows.
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We did hit the School issue last season, The Church setting really is very similar to the restaurant or bank scene that we showed this year... but it isn't a bad idea to put something in that context in a future season.
Thanks!
-Rob
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Hey thanks Rob. One thing we have ran into is the EDP's they seem to be attracted to churches. Fortunately, none that we have dealt with have been armed just disruptive and threatening. We take this very seriously, our pastor was stabbed critically a few years ago by the grandson of a parishioner. The grandson was an EDP and stabbed our pastor and his own grandmother then took his own life. This happened right after church when he said he needed to visit with our pastor at his grandmother's house. Our pastor and the grandmother both survived but were in a fight for their lives in ICU.
We have had probably three incidents with EDP's. None of them had any connection to our church, they just found it because we are located on a major highway. They tend to cause much alarm because you never know where it could lead. I train our team in proper and safe control techniques like I teach to LE and our jailers so we can get them escorted out as quickly as possible. We have had one that charged toward our pastor that is where we respond in a more bodyguard like role. We always keep at least one team member close by our pastors.
Thanks again,
Mark
PS-Just fixing to watch some great DRTV in a second.
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Sorry again for my lack of knowledge, but I don't recognize the EDP acronym.... anyone?
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A guess on my part, Emotionally Disturbed Person? It seems to fit.
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Every Democrat Person ??
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A guess on my part, Emotionally Disturbed Person? It seems to fit.
yes it does...thanks
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Yes, Emotionally Disturbed Person, sorry my bad.
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My friend Vaughn Baker of Strategos International has put together an outstanding program for churches called the "Interfaith Intruder Response" program. Any church looking for a tailor-made security program should look into it. You can find more information at www.strategosinternational.com.
Stay safe,
Mike
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Thanks Mike I will check them out. They are not far from my locale.
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I did a program for a church security team last year and prepared a "background" overview of actual lethal incidents at churches over the last decade... the majority were INTRA-faith incidents, involving members of the church, former members or someone in the family of a church member. This may have a psychological affect at the outset of an incident (denial & deliberation phases) that could be significant if the church security team doesn't deal ahead of time with the concept of dealing with a member of the flock.
-RJP
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I did a program for a church security team last year and prepared a "background" overview of actual lethal incidents at churches over the last decade... the majority were INTRA-faith incidents, involving members of the church, former members or someone in the family of a church member. This may have a psychological affect at the outset of an incident (denial & deliberation phases) that could be significant if the church security team doesn't deal ahead of time with the concept of dealing with a member of the flock.
-RJP
Rob you are 100% correct on that and we have went over dealing with a known threat from inside our membership. I think that is almost as hard as trying to train a person in an Active Shooter Response to go directly to the threat and neutralize them ASAP while ignoring the victims esp. hard if it is a child and harder yet if it is your child. However, we say four shots a second from an average shooter is a lot a potential victims every second they are able to squeeze the trigger.
Rob, if you ever get to the Ozarks of NW Arkansas I would love to have you train our team. Live not far from my friend Bill Wilson when he is not in Texas playing.