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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: USSA-1 on January 07, 2008, 07:55:43 AM
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Let's see what you've got....
AK-74 5.45x39
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/784874_4.jpg)
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/784874_1.jpg)
Coming to a rifle course near you....
USSA-1
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Erik, In one of your other posts you said you had made shots at 500 yards with AK's , I never even thought of trying that range with one,was it a standard "out of the box " rifle or a customized gun?
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Yep, it was a standard AK, although it was a quality AK-74 in 5.45x39 and not the 7.62 round. Myself and several others were on a automated "pop-up" range at Quantico. We were shooting those huge green humanoid soldier targets that would automatically register a hit and fall down. I hit several at 500 meters, but I definitely didn't go 1 for 1 and I couldn't tell you where I actually hit the target. All I know is that I pulled the trigger and target registered a hit and disappeared, although it did take several rounds to hit the target. Now I know where the term "minute of man" came from! I would definitely call 500 meters the maximum effective range.
Erik
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" I couldn't tell you where I hit the target" HEY, even an ugly W is still a W
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We were shooting those huge green humanoid soldier targets that would automatically register a hit and fall down.
Like this?
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Yep, that's him! Except they had red Russian stars painted on the helmets.
It was a kick-ass system. I had a blast doing it. We would spend all day at the range. It was nothing to burn 1,000 rds. in a day, all on automated, moving targets. Great fun and excellent training. I think a private range that offered that type of facility could make a fortune!
Erik
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I think a private range that offered that type of facility could make a fortune!
Until that private range comes around you can shoot this target. Set it out at 25 meters to hit targets at 50, 100, 150, 200, 250 and 300 meters.
Found at http://www.letargets.com/html/military.html
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My first love is the FAL platform
Then the AR platform
Then I'd have to figure out how to pick between the HK and the AK platform.
Here's my one and only AK. Standard WASR-10 7.62x39mm, Brownell's AlumaHyde II finished metal parts, AK-74-style brake, trigger hump shaved down to get rid of trigger slap, KVAR OD furniture, SAW grip, my own home-brew notch in the safety lever to hold the bolt back, cheapo (but solid!) rail system, Haako Aimpoint clone. Had a Romanian folding stock on it...hated it so we're back to the fixed stock. It is surprisingly accurate with decent quality ammo...3-4" at 100 yards. With Wolf, all bets are off...it has not, however, ever failed to go bang in a couple thousand rounds.
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which 7.62 x 39 AK is the best compromise between cost and quality, I don't see any reason it could not be used for deer if the capacity issue were adressed with a 5 rnd mag or a permanently modified 30 rnd mag. I want to get CONSISTANT effective hits between 100 and 200 yards on torso or deer sized targets.
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Tom,
For a quality 7.62 AK, I would stick with any of the Eastern Europe kits (Bulgarian, Romanian, E. German, Polish, etc.) My 74 in the previous picture is built from a new Bulgarian parts kit and has shown some outstanding accuracy potential.
I would also recommend either the Arsenal SLR series or the VEPR's. Both are very high quality products.
Erik
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KPR, you say your AKs not good with wolf ammo? As you can see I have kinda a cheapo Rommy and it is suprisingly accurate with wolf cheap FMJ. Funny how these AK style rifles are with diff. ammo. I have only shot out to 100m with iron sites, but its a bowling pin eating machine. The pic is not accurate, I took off the reflex site and put a 42mm red dot from NcStar, the reflex is on my AR now. Mine was great right out of the box, (lucky) my friends say. I like it well enough to want another, next will have all wood furniture, as close to original as I can get. Jim Fuller makes some awsome AK rifles.
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KPR, you say your AKs not good with wolf ammo?
I guess not good is relative. Closer to 4-5 MOA at 100.
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Hey guys,
I'm getting my first AK 47. I live in AZ and will be getting my rifle from Derek at AZEX Arms. Will be in 7.62x39mm. When I get it in a couple of weeks I'll post some pics. and let you know how it shoots. Derek has a good rep as a quality builder. Check him out if you are in the market. BTW I am not affliated with his shop in any way. Just giving my 2 cents. :D I had a really good experience at his shop.
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My Yugoslavian M70ab2 under folder with bayonet and 30 round BHO magazine...bought @ a Valley Forge, PA gun show in March of 2006 for $450...a CIA build using a DCI receiver. Very accurate with Wolf 7.62x39 ammo...
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Comrades, get a Saiga in 7.62x39 then build it the way you want or you could get it in .223. I have 4 Saiga 2 rifles and 2 shotguns they are sweet