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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: dgray64 on March 18, 2010, 10:00:07 AM
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I really enjoyed yesterdays view of Shot Show 2010 and you pointed out that Taurus puts out more new guns every year than anyone else. I have two, myself, a PT745 semii-auro and a Model 65 revolver in .357. Both are seamless. That is to say that they work and work well with no hiccups. They are smooth, comfortable, and accurate. I was a little shy about buying the 745 because of the hard luck that shows up in many blogs about Taurus' slow and below par warranty work. Luckily, I've never had to use them for warranty, but if something goes amiss, there are no parts available for them. You can only send them back to the company and hope for the best. Have you, Michael, since you know everyone and everyone knows you, ever broached this subject with the Taurus company? I'd like to buy a new Slim 709, but hate to push my luck. I had an issue with a chipped extractor on my XD40 and the Springfield company had it replaced and tested at their shop and back to me in less than a week total. Anyone else have any thoughts on this.
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My Dad had a .357 Just like that, but he sold it. It was a great gun.
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Not too familiar with the endurance of Taurus semi-autos, but first hand exp. with their revolvers has been extremely positive.
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When a few buddies and I went camping in the mountains of NM a few summers ago I carried my Taurus 1911 and he had his Taurus 24/7OSS .45 and both handled the dust, heat, mud and other elements for a week straight with not a single hiccup. We made the mistake of going during the time of year when NM sees a lot of flash flooding and heavy thunderstorms. And we came horribly under prepared in terms of tents and gear so we found ourselves ankle deep in mud half the time and both guns spent a few nights sitting in puddles that grew under and breached the tents floors. My mossberg didn't fair as well. Brand new and it rusted over night.
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Not to throw cold water on anyone's enthusiasm for Taurus but I have personally witnessed three of them go down in a match; one pistol and two revolvers. One of the revolvers "jammed" and I thought that could never happen on a revolver but it did on the Taurus.
I think they make some very interesting products but it's those anecdotal stories that makes me reluctant. If Taurus would improve the QC, I think they would do better in the industry.
Just my opinion....
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The most accurate revolver I've ever owned was a Taurus Model 66 in .357. I used it for bullseye matches 20 years ago. It was the very first 'brand new' handgun I ever bought. Took it home from the gun store and loaded 6 .38spl wad-cutters in it and made one ragged hole in the center of a standard NRA target at 25 yds. I never had to touch the sights on it the whole time I owned it. I did do a trigger job on it and slicked it up.
I hated to get rid of it, but the owner of a local area gun shop shot it in a PPC match and wanted it bad enough to give me twice what I paid for it on trade for a NIB Colt Commander 1991A1.
I also had a Model 85 that gave good service.
I have not had any experience with their newer products, but I would like to have one of their 1911's.
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I think we've had this discussion on other threads before but I will reiterate my faith in my PT1911. After changing out to Wilson mags I never had a complaint with it. I love that gun. I wish i hadn't had to sell it but I've made peace with it. I did have their PT24/7 PRO and PT140 compact Millennium in .40 and both worked exceptionally well. Just for perspective, with my M&P40 I have had to failure to ejects but out of my 2 Taurus guns never had a failure of any kind in well over 5000 rounds each. Nuff said. I have seen Taurus semis fail but from the experience I had in those situations most instances were operator induced. Not all but a majority. Usually poor fundamental shooting skills and maintenance. A few magazine induced. I have also heard of Taurus revolvers failing but again the majority were much older incarnations. The current production quality on the guns I've handled and seen used seems to be as good as anyone could ask for in such a priced gun. It's not a S&W, and if it was you'd pay twice as much.
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Went to a range two months ago and my 92AF functioned flawlessly. I have had it since 1996 and have had no malifunctions. I watched two glocks crap thier guts out on that range.
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Went to a range two months ago and my 92AF functioned flawlessly. I have had it since 1996 and have had no malifunctions. I watched two glocks crap thier guts out on that range.
That's two more than me. I'm not spewing kool aid here, just curious. What happened? As to taurus, many, many years ago, like late '80s my grandad bought a Taurus imitation Hi-power. Great gun, not as pretty as the originial, but worked great for years. Nowadays, I'd look hard at a Taurus in either a 1911 or a .357 D/A revolver before spending more elsewhere.
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Had a lot of failure to fires from the glocks.
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I've had 12 Taurus weapons from 1990 to present. I still have 7. The only problem I'v ever had was with a 44spl revolver that lost timing. Two weeks after sending it in, it came back good as new. I sold it a few years ago to a friend who still has it.
I took a white tail with the model 689 and I carry the PT145 as my CCW. I have no complaints about the product.
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Nice collection, CJ.....really like the looks of those panels on that 1911.
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I've had several taurus pistols over the years.I now have a 709 slim.I've put about 350 rounds through it and the only problem I've had is on the fully adjustable rear sight.The windage adjustment was fine but the elevation wouldn'r raise the sight.I called taurus and they said send the sight back and they would send me another one.Othe than that it functioned perfectly,no other problems.As far as size,its really nice,you hardly know its there.There is very little recoil to speak of.It doesn't feel any worse than my glock 19. sj
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Bob Morrison, the top guy at Taurus, is a good good friend of mine (even though he once spent a whole afternoon trying to talk me into buying a Norton-yellow Ducati cafe racer in Miami). I have bought up those hard questions with him, and his response has always been Taurus will unconditionally stand behind their guns. Period. Yes, I have seen Tauruses tank, but I have seen virtually every brand of gun tank at one time or the other. My Taurus lightweight snub .38 is a gun I've carried for years off and on; now my Sweetie carries it (believe me, I wouldn't let her carry anything that wasn't 100%). We shot the snot out of my Taurus 1911 and it ran flawlessly and remains extremely accurate and totally reliable. Ditto for one of their .357 Raging Bulls I've had for years. I think the Judge is a brilliant concept executed brilliantly...I've shot a lot of them and they have all been flawless. At the offices in Florida I've shot pretty much every gun in the line, and there's none of them that give me pause. I've also spent time with their QC people, and they are serious and thorough. My philosophy on guns remains that they're all individuals, and I won't carry or recommend one that I haven't personally put the rounds through. I'm interested in getting a 9mm Slim myself, because it is an intelligent package. I'd also like to point out that Taurus has never put 1 penny in any of my projects!
Michael B
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The Wife and I were at the range this week and being the sales clerks were standing around doing nothing at the time, I had them show us a number of pistols in the display case. We looked at the SR9C, Walther PPS, Glock 19, a few Berettas and the Taurus Slim. Out of the whole batch the only one that really impressed us was the Slim. It's like a trimmed down Millenium pro with a number of improvements. And the Ergo's are really nice. If I didn't already have a Pt111 Mil pro that I'm completely satisfied with for five years I would definately consider this gun. The biggest disapointment was the PPS. It was much bigger and heavier than I thought it would be.
I have two Taurus handguns, both work great.
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What I've noticed about Taurus is the guns that they've been making for a long time (PT92, M85, M94/941, etc.) tend to be reliable performers. Their QC problems tend to pop up when they introduce a new product....seems to take them a longer time to resolve QC issues and get the product reliable (remember the "Total Titanium" line?) than some other gunmakers. If Taurus would spend a little more time on the front end getting the design right, they'd save a lot of money & hassle on warranty work.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of the more "established" Taurus designs if the price was right. And I'd rather spend the money that I'd pay on shipping a Taurus back to Florida on having my local gunsmith fix the problem....most of the time, he can.
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As of late, as in the last few years I've watched Taurus pull even with the Big Boys such as Smith, and Ruger's snubs. I recently had a Taurus 605 snub that had a lock-up like a bank vault ,better than Smiths. Also the BC gap was much tighter . The accuracy was very good but my ageing eyes needed a better sight picture. I traded for a Glock 26, I can see the sights better. Nothing was wrong with the Taurus. Good pistol !
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You sorta ripped the other guy off in that one, kmbrman.
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You sorta ripped the other guy off in that one, kmbrman.
Let me tell you. The Taurus 605SS is the first handgun I purchased and it is still my preferred carry gun. It's extremely accurate, has thousands of rounds thru it and I wouldn't give it up. I'm sure I would do just as well with a S&W M60 but as long as the Taurus is running on all cylinders I'll stick with it. The Glock 26 is pretty nice too but semi-auto's, especially double stacks, tend to be very bulky. Especially at the back of the slide area and grip part of the frame. For me this is a negative when carrying concealed.
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Jkwas , I hated to let the 605 Taurus go for the reason you mentioned about how easy it carried. But the 26 has more rounds and I've sort of had to adapt to the thickness problem . If only Glock would work on a more flat and easy to carry Pocket pistol ,that would be great. Maybe the marketplace will convince them to produce something similar to the 709 Slim that Taurus has out.
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What's weird is I've got a bunch of .44 Specials...the most accurate one of the bunch is an old Taurus stainless steel 5-shot with it's butt rounded to S&W round-butt shape and a trigger job by Jim Stroh at Alpha Precision. It'll outshoot my custom S&W .44 Special "Mountain Gun," which I previously thought was hte most accurate .44 Special I owned.
Michael B
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After reading some of the replies here, I would say the fervor for Taurus pistols and revolvers may equal, in some cases exceed, the fervor of those who own Glocks. And I thought owning a Glock was like joining a cult, but with Taurus I'm pretty sure it is! ;)
For me based on my first hand observations, what I have read in reputable publications like Gun Tests, and consultations with a couple of local gunsmiths I know, I will buy one as "project gun" so to speak. I think I will put a 1,000 rounds through it before I even think of carrying it. I didn't have to do that with my Glocks, but they don't have the same kind of reputation (deserved or not) Taurus has.
Fortunately, I have two Glocks with over 10K and 5K rounds and not a single problem. (He is knocking on wood). I know. I know. The Glocks could fail on the next shot- that's given. But I like my chances of them not failing. For Taurus, I just don't have that kind of confidence. I think like someone mentioned in another post, I would buy one from their more established lines and begin to put it through its paces.
I really think they stretch the boundaries in design on firearms, which is good. I just don't trust them that much. I guess I'm just a "Doubting Thomas".... :-\
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....The Glock 26 is pretty nice too but semi-auto's, especially double stacks, tend to be very bulky. Especially at the back of the slide area and grip part of the frame. For me this is a negative when carrying concealed.
You're not telling me anything new. I have a Glock 30 ( 10 + 1 rounds of .45 ACP) IWB right now. Talk about a fat gripped gun. I know EXACTLY what you mean. When I put on weight a couple years ago I couldn't conceal it as well under an XL shirt sometimes.
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I bought a used Taurus 669 .357 revolver some 10+ years ago. Never had a probelm with it. I bought a Taurus PT92 3 years ago. It too has worked well right out of the box. Last year I bought a PT1911. The slide had missed a machine process to remove a ledge on the face of the slide that would round out the face so the case would sit flat. This burr would bend the lip of the case when fired. I called the sevice department and the guy was a complete #$&^ about it. He asked if was trying to reload. He said I was not allowed to shoot reloads in the gun. Very arrogant SOB. He was very pleased with the fact I was having issues. I'll never buy another Taurus! You get what you pay for in this world. Just a side note.....I split a chock adjuster on a 25 year old .410 Mossburg shotgun. They sent me a new one.....free. The service department makes all the difference in the world.
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Taurus should see this thread.
They need to see how so much positive input about their products can be negated by one very poor customer service rep.
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Taurus should see this thread.
They need to see how so much positive input about their products can be negated by one very poor customer service rep.
+1 on that.....some employees do not understand what 'service' OR 'representative' means.
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I have shot several taurus guns...namely the PT92(early 1990's) never jammed. I had a model 669 that was accurate with 357 loads but terrible with about all 38spl loads(I reload). I also owned a mdl 85 double action only revolver..I didnt like it....wasnt very accurate with it...went to glock and never looked back. It comes down to personal preference and what you like. I think taurus makes ok guns. I have seen on other boards where people have had problems with their small autos and most say the customer service stinks...I dont know how true that is though. If you like a taurus get one is what I would tell someone.
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I have a PT 140 that I have been shooting and carrying for a few years and its been flawless. I really like the hybrid single action trigger. The 1st models were DAO but IIRC the following generations were DA/SA, a lot of pistol for the money. I never had a Taurus revolver. My only complaint is the dang mags are so expensive.
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I have a PT 140 that I have been shooting and carrying for a few years and its been flawless. I really like the hybrid single action trigger. The 1st models were DAO but IIRC the following generations were DA/SA, a lot of pistol for the money. I never had a Taurus revolver. My only complaint is the dang mags are so expensive.
Check out CDNN. They have factory mags from time to time at about $10 off list.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/
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Check out CDNN. They have factory mags from time to time at about $10 off list.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/
I get their email , thanks, just waiting for a good price.
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+1 on that.....some employees do not understand what 'service' OR 'representative' means.
I came back to this thread late. Its been dead for a while. Still, Peg is not only up for COMMENT OF THE FREAKING YEAR award, but should be recieving a fat check from some gun company. The best advertisment you can have is a satisfied customer. Hell, we all brag and gossip about our guns like old women. I'd be willing to bet that as many likely buyers hit this and say two other boards on any given day as will read an ad in Guns and Ammo. Guess which they're likely to believe? A few dollars worth of repairs and and fast service will get you a customer for life. One bad CS rep and you lose a customer and everyone who listens to him. Barney Frank, yes that Barney Frank, once said something very smart. He said "Dollars are fungible. If I piss off Sarah Brady I can get money from the NRA. But voters are unique. If I lose a voter, I've lost them forever. No politician will trade a vote for a dollar, because we want the dollars to get the votes". Assess the last part of the statement as you will. The first part is dead on. Its easy to sell me a gun. Its harder to sell me a second one and impossible if you treat me wrong with the first one.
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