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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on March 30, 2010, 09:53:32 PM
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What the hell does it take to get these skiff running wannabe's out of business. Geez, Myself, and 6 co-workers, a 85' Pershing available to 72 kts. can just stop the B.S. Surface Piercing Drives, Sterling Engines, or MANN, 1850 hp x 2,....Lots O' Guns on board.. Pirate this!!!!!
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/pershing90.jpg)
I am stunned this crap continues at these levels.
Goodness Gracious, Can we get some good ol' PT Boats and run these punks to the bottom? SOMETHING!!!! Arm The Damn Ships!!!
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/874826ba-3c14-11df-b40c-00144feabdc0.html
Pirate attacks return to record levels
By Robert Wright in London
Published: March 30 2010 17:10 | Last updated: March 30 2010 17:10
Pirate attacks off Somalia’s coast are close to returning to the record levels seen last year as attackers adapt to the international naval presence by striking further offshore and using more violence.
A surge of attacks in the past week has included the hijacking of the MV Frigia, a Maltese-flagged dry bulk carrier, 1,500 miles off Somalia’s coast – the longest-range operation that pirates have ever successfully mounted.
Somali pirates free tanker after record ransom - Jan-18
This incident was among five successful hijackings and 19 attacks off Somalia this month, according to the International Maritime Bureau. This compares with 32 attacks and five hijackings in March last year, when the piracy epidemic was close to its height.
The recent surge has disappointed observers, who had hoped that the naval presence off Somalia – particularly in the Gulf of Aden leading to the Red Sea – would begin to deter piracy. In January and February, there were only eight attacks and two hijackings, compared with 29 and four in the first two months of last year.
David Pickard, head of maritime for Drum Cussac, a UK-based consultancy that provides security teams for vessels in the area, said pirates seemed to be avoiding the Gulf of Aden, off northern Somalia. This area is heavily patrolled by international navies, which respond quickly to calls for help from merchant vessels.
“We’re pretty sure it’s part of a trend to more vicious and concentrated attacks, away from the coalition forces,” said Mr Pickard. “The pattern seems to have been that the pirates have been pushed further offshore.
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Air power...a few ships scattered out there (spread out) that can supply rapid response air power. Just blow em out of the water every day. Pretty soon they'll run out of shitty little boats.
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TW Can I be a gunner?
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Bring back Sea Control!!!
(http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/needham/Images/s3vikingRocketShoot.jpg)
The Navy literally shot itself in the foot when they got rid of the Vikings and Shadows from the Fleet. Long range, systems optimized to search for small targets on the open sea, and ,at least the Viking, capable of carrying a variety of pirate killing weapons. The Shadows could find there HQs at sea or ashore and the "slicks" hit the skiffs with 2.75in rockets and the "mother ships" with Harpoon or Maverick.
(http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/es-3_viking_air9.jpg)
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If they would just use *extreme measures* ;) to combat this, it would die off overnight. The only reason there is a boom in htis business now is because very poor people see this as an easy way to get a lot of money. Crack down hard and it will stop
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If they would just use *extreme measures* ;) to combat this, it would die off overnight. The only reason there is a boom in htis business now is because very poor people see this as an easy way to get a lot of money. Crack down hard and it will stop
You are so violent, Eric. (sheesh)
All these pirates need is huggs and love and some Pink Unicorn Poop. Besides, we can't take the chance that these pirates may all be Islamic and... dare I use the "black" word here? That would show us up for the racists and Islamophobes that we know populates all of Middle America. Never mind that it's costing millions of dollars--those dollars won't be worth anything pretty soon, anyway.
It would probably be more humane to drop a small yeild nuke on the port cities of Somalia. Turn them to black glass. Send the b@st@rds to their 72-year-old virgin. See how they like them apples.
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TW Can I be a gunner?
Forget all the air power.
I too want to be a gunner on TW's ship.
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Forget all the air power.
I too want to be a gunner on TW's ship.
The S.S. Small Penis
;D
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Forget all the air power.
I too want to be a gunner on TW's ship.
Not saying a small boat with weapons wouldn't help, but air power is MUCH faster and has a longer reach. The guys calling the shots are 50 miles inland while the Khat heads in the skiffs are getting beat by the sea. Time on station of minutes vice hours.
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The loitering capabilities of the AC-130 Spectre gunships would make it an excellent choice. Not to mention all of the other goodies on board. ;D
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some kind of silly maritime law that forbids merchant ships to be armed in international waters? Bill T.
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no there is not, but all countrys have laws reguarding importing of firearms.
When I was in the USCG we loocked for 3 things, in this order.
drugs
guns
people
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no there is not
Then simply kill them when they approach. What's the problem? Bill T.
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Instead of hiring over 10,000 IRS agents, Maybe, just maybe, we could utilize an International (meaning U.S. does 98%) Anti Piracy Task Force.
Aircraft, does cover the most area, and has the weapon platforms to send the motherships to Davey Jones Locker. Fast attack boats, like PT boats, (or the Pershing) ::) used as armed escorts, and hard, lethal, justifiable measures to take care of these Maritime Terrorists, should be a bigger priority than it seems to be..
Record Levels??? Geez. Jefferson dispatched our forces to take care of Barbary Pirates, and were ordered to give "No Quarter" to pirates..
The piracy stopped... On deck trials, and sentence carried out (hung from the yardarm) immediately after sentence, than their fish food....
What the hell? Why am I shaking my head that we are unwilling or not making this a priority? Some smart bombs to coastal towns in Somalia will piss of who?
The UN? Muslim's? We're already infidels....and the UN doesn't give a rats a** about Somalia, just like Haiti, it provides the UN with nothing, so who cares???
Let's get some security on the high seas, and get the Pirates dead....
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The S.S. Small Penis
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No, it's TW's ship, not your's. ;D
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The S.S. Small Penis
;D
Nope.....the USS STEVE LEE
;D
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;D
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The S.S. Small Penis
;D
I had some thoughts,... ;)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/a96891_n13.jpg)
Maybe deepwaters ship???
This one is more appropriate eric,... ;)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/a96891_n7.jpg)
;D
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Seriously, for what these vessels are worth, along with the value of the cargo they carry, not to mention the safety of the crew, why not just equip them with a mini gun forward and aft? They could shred these vermin before they got within 500 yards. Seems like an awfully cheap investment. Bill T.
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Your right billt, however, trained security teams on board could be an equalizer. They can be offloaded past the "danger zone" offshore, and it would still be cheaper than ransoms. An Israeli security team armed with nothing but handguns, repelled an attempt on a cruise ship last year.
Where do I sign up?
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trained security teams on board could be an equalizer. They can be offloaded past the "danger zone" offshore, and it would still be cheaper than ransoms.
That's another thing. This is all happening in a small area off the Somali coast. It's not as if there would be a danger of shooting the wrong people. If a skiff loaded with blacks is closing in running full bore, it's a safe bet they're not bringing more ice for the Smoked Salmon. Bill T.
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the Maritime Administration just issued an advisary (29/March) about increased pirate attacks off the horn of Africa and Indian Ocean. if you google pirate reports you'll be surprised at the numbers, and then remember that not all attacks/attempts are reported. we have taken security teams when going to certain areas of the world and yes it can be done, secure lockers for the arms and tell the country you are entering to allow it or forget our business. (lots o' money to be lost there)
anyone heard of Q-ships from WWII? ragged old freighters armed to the teeth and sent out as decoys to attract subs. seeing as these thugs often can't tell the difference between a merchant and a navy ship, I think it would work. sign me up. (though I do like TW's boat better)
deepwater
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here's a link to the MARAD website dealing with piracy
http://www.marad.dot.gov/news_room_landing_page/horn_of_africa_piracy/horn_of_africa_piracy.htm
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That's another thing. This is all happening in a small area off the Somali coast. It's not as if there would be a danger of shooting the wrong people. If a skiff loaded with blacks is closing in running full bore, it's a safe bet they're not bringing more ice for the Smoked Salmon. Bill T.
Given that some of these pirates hit 1000 or 1500 miles off shore, that makes the problem a little more difficult. The mother ships are going to look like any other trawler.
Besides, I think there are still pirates in other areas, like the South Chine Sea and off SE Asia IIRC.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100401/ap_on_re_af/af_piracy
NAIROBI, Kenya – U.S. naval forces say they've captured five pirates after exchanging fire with them, sinking their skiff and confiscating a mother ship.
The USS Nicholas came under fire early Thursday from pirates in an area west of the Seychelles.
The U.S. Africa Command said the five pirates seized would remain in U.S. custody on board the frigate for time time being. The Nicholas is home-ported in Norfolk, Va.
International naval forces have stepped up their enforcement of the waters off East Africa in an effort to thwart a growing pirate trade.
Experts say piracy will continue to be a problem until an effective government is established on Somalia's lawless shores. The country has not had a functioning government for 19 years
here they go again.....
deepwater
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Firing on a US Navy ship is not conducive to a long and happy existence.
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Firing on a US Navy ship is not conducive to a long and happy existence smart, especially when al you have is RPGs and AKs!.
FIFY
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I think this has reached enough of a critical mass that it would warrant finding this "mother ship", and simply blow it out of the water. Let the UN, and whoever else cry. They've become nothing more than an intrusive, expensive annoyance. Bill T.
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I think this has reached enough of a critical mass that it would warrant finding this "mother ship", and simply blow it out of the water. Let the UN, and whoever else cry. They've become nothing more than an intrusive, expensive annoyance. Bill T.
The pirates ? Or the UN ?
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The pirates ? Or the UN ?
BOTH! The pirates are far less expensive however. Bill T.
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Cant the pirates be used to train green marines or seals in combat?
I mean they may as well be useful for something (pirates)
Or perhaps get countries to do a whip around to pay for some of the cost and place a few unmanned armed drones in the air with the warning any boat with out clearance found in the area autmatically will be fired upon and sunk?
Would be a good way to test new and wonderful Air to Surface weapons.
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BOTH! The pirates are far less expensive however. Bill T.
The pirates really aren't as annoying as the UN either.