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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: ericire12 on April 13, 2010, 12:26:22 PM
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Its a sexy rifle, I give them that.....
(http://gunblast.com/images/Bushmaster-ACR/DSC00291.JPG)
(http://gunblast.com/images/Bushmaster-ACR/DSC00287.JPG)
Coverage here:
http://gunblast.com/Bushmaster-ACR.htm
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I like this rifle. It's looks are starting to grow on me, and I like most all of the features. Bill T.
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looks like a toy to me... to much plastic.
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The "plastic fantastic" is what now? A couple grand?
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"Basic" is around $2,800.00
"Enhanced" is around $3,200.00
I don't have a clue what the enhanced model has that the other does not. Bill T.
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NOT WORTH THE MONEY! :(
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Love to have one, but probably never will get one.
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The enhanced has a telescoping folding stock. I guess if I were going to shell out that kind of money might as well go all the way with it...still can't afford either model so that's that
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looks like a toy to me... to much plastic.
TAB,
The one I held in Lulvul (Louisville) was very solid. I thought it was a step above the standard AR or the SCAR.
I didn't think it felt cheap at all.
Still too pricey for me.
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One of the things to keep in mind about the price of this weapon is production cost per unit. The gun has a molded Polymer lower. The cost to produce a mold to generate the lower is very costly. Especially so if it is a multi cavity design. Also, there are numerous jigs and fixtures that had to be machined prior to actual production. These are costly to produce as well.
I believe one of the main reasons this weapon was kicked around by Mag-Pul for so many years was they couldn't find a company to produce it cheap enough to sell it at a profit. Most every shooter bases every new EBR price on the AR-15, a rifle that has been in production for almost 50 years. There are so many different vendors supplying AR-15 parts in this country, the average gun enthusiast with a little mechanical aptitude can buy the parts and assemble one on his kitchen table cheaper than he can purchase one new from a gun store.
Tooling costs for a completely new design rifle can be off the chart expensive. And it takes a lot of time, as well as sales to recoup all of these costs and start to turn a profit. Bushmaster took on production of this rifle based on many things. Production costs, market acceptability, (demographics from most every region showed a lot of shooters were chomping at the bit for the opportunity to buy one of these rifles.) It had a lot of pre production anticipation. And most important, what they could sell it for.
Other weapons in this price range are selling well. LWRC and LMT sell their piston weapons for close to the same price, and they are selling them literally as fast as they can make them. Much the same with Springfield Armory with their SOCOM 16, and SOCOM II. Both are allocated, and many smaller gun shops can't stock them without agreeing to take on additional inventory from Springfield that is harder to move.
If Bushmaster will or won't have a problem moving this gun will be based on timing. The economy stinks on ice right now, with zero sign of improvement in the near future. Especially if Hussein continues down his current economic road to ruin. It's an expensive gamble to take. It is one of the reasons you don't see too many guns like this come out. It's easier to introduce old designs in different clothes. Much like Savage has done with a lot of their short and long action bolt weapons. Their new BA and BA-T "Sniper" styled weapons sell for about the same as the Bushmaster ACR, and are nothing but a Savage 110 with a gussied up stock design. Much cheaper to produce than an entirely new weapon system built from the ground up on new tooling.
I wouldn't expect to see much of a price reduction on these guns in the immediate future. A lot of guns are in this price range, and many, as I said, are dressed up old designs. This gun will be one to watch. If it succeeds, and I hope it does, it will give a lot of hope to other manufacturers not to be afraid of experimenting with new designs. If it tanks, expect more of the same old stuff in different wrappings. Bill T.
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$2400 at Aim Surplus.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1BMACRBB&groupid=11
Still not worth it to me though. Maybe in a few years but not right now.
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$2400 at Aim Surplus.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1BMACRBB&groupid=11
Still not worth it to me though. Maybe in a few years but not right now.
Yea in a few years, after inflation ketches up with the $2400-$3000 price tag!
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NOT WORTH THE MONEY! :(
....and the bullets are too small....might be worth considering in .308.....
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Yeah, I thought one of the calibers was supposed to be 7.62x39. That's the one I'd want. WITH the folding colapsible stock, of course.
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If Sig had put the charging handle on the left side and free floated the barrel it would have blown this thing out of the water. I like the design of the sig more in all honesty. Albeit without the ff barrel I still see the sig's in my area constantly put out 1 inch groups with a variety of ammo.
I would still like to see the Beretta *cough Benelli rifle in person.
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It's an interesting rifle, but after comparing it to the SCAR, I purchased the FN.
No regrets. What an amazing rifle the SCAR is.
Sincerely,
Joel N.
"Yog" (in Alaska)
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My hope is that they will drop the price. It made a certain amount of sense when everyone was freaking out in '08. Now, when you can get a perfectly good AR for $700-$1100? WTF? Hell, Gander had a DPMS AR10 on sale for $1000 last week. Why in Gods name would I drop three large for an incremental improvement at more than three times the price? Cool will only take you so far. If they don't drop down to $1500 or so, or get adopted by the military, I would not expect this to last.
FQ13
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....and the bullets are too small....might be worth considering in .308.....
I've gotten very interested in the Kel-Tec RFB for that exact reason - it's a .308 in bullpup configuration. AND, it costs a grand less than the ACR.
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I've gotten very interested in the Kel-Tec RFB for that exact reason - it's a .308 in bullpup configuration. AND, it costs a grand less than the ACR.
Now that's a good point there! 8)
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my gun shop has a basic model for $2,300. I might hold out for the enhanced model. The price sucks, but whatever, the ACR will be in my collection. Got a chance to shoot this gun and I love it. Gas piston m4's run about 2 grand and you cant change calibers or include the far superior fire controls. The sheep will follow. Suck it up, trade a few safe queens. You know you want it!
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my gun shop has a basic model for $2,300. I might hold out for the enhanced model. The price sucks, but whatever, the ACR will be in my collection. Got a chance to shoot this gun and I love it. Gas piston m4's run about 2 grand and you cant change calibers or include the far superior fire controls. The sheep will follow. Suck it up, trade a few safe queens. You know you want it!
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No I don't! :o Not when I can have 3 more regular AR's for the price. :o I've put 5k rounds though my standard AR without cleaning it or not did I have any malfunctions. I say piss on the pistons, their not necessary nor do I think the military is going to adopt it any time soon so the cost comes down. I'm willing to pay $1500 or $1600 for a piston AR but not anymore than that. So I think it will be awhile before I get one! :P
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One finally showed up on Cabela's rack for $2,200.00 and change. I handled it and it felt really good, but I have to admit for the money it just seemed a bit too "plasticky" for my taste. They had a .308 POF sitting right next to it for $2,500.00 and there was no comparison. Bill T.