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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Hazcat on April 14, 2010, 08:28:43 AM
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New immigration bill puts local police on front line of border battle
by Alicia E. Barrón
Posted on April 13, 2010 at 8:34 PM
PHOENIX – There was both outrage and praise Tuesday night for the passage of what many are calling the "toughest immigration law in the country.”
It makes it a state crime to be an undocumented immigrant and it criminalizes hiring and transporting illegal immigrants.
Perhaps most controversial of all, it requires police to check immigration documents. It was a party line vote with all republicans voting yes and all democrats voting no.
The bill's sponsor is fiercely defending his bill against critics. Senator Russell Pearce says, “And it's about time!"
Sen. Pearce, of Mesa, has tried for years to get the bill's provisions into law. Immigrants rights groups who were protesting at the Capitol called it a disgrace.
The attorney for a day-laborer group in Phoenix says he is outraged. Chris Newman, with the Day Laborer Organizing Network, says, “It takes anti-immigrant hysteria to a level the country has not yet seen. It's designed to make life miserable for immigrants and families so they self-deport."
Not true says Sen. Pearce, who insists law-abiding immigrants are not his target. “It's the drug cartels, gang members"
Critics say all immigrants will feel the effects since police forces statewide will now be on the look-out for illegal immigrants. Newman says, “The bill will result in racial profiling of particularly Latinos in the state.
Pearce has repeatedly dismissed allegations that his bill mandates racial profiling by police. He explains, “It says you will not use race and ethnicity as a sole factor. You have to have lawful contact, reason to believe, and then can only arrest based on probable cause."
The bill is expected to make a stop in the House before going to the governor. Pearce expects Governor Janet Brewer to sign the bill into law. Two groups have threatened to file lawsuits against the immigration bill.
http://www.azfamily.com/news/New-bill-puts-local-police-on-front-line-of-border-battle-90805259.html
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Here's another story on it
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304604204575182721466632104.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth
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Of course the democrats are against it, if there are no illegals there is no one to do their lawns, cooking, cleaning, landscaping etc while they sip lattes and think up new ways of screwing the oridnary joe!
Bit like the wowser we have here with our boat people, personally I cant see why if we have a navy with big guns they cant be used to sink a few boats?
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If you're in Florida, and you look west, you can see the sunshine reflecting off Sheriff Joe's teeth ;D ;D ;D
And Crusader (who has family in Mesa, AZ) thinks it's about time.
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personally I cant see why if we have a navy with big guns they cant be used to sink a few boats?
I have always said that :)
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I still don't understand WHY we need to do this. Couldn't we fix the problem by simply ENFORCING existing immigration law? Yes I know that is asking the feds and the politicians to grow a spine.
But good for AZ for taking a stand, and doing what the feds refuse to do. You know, one of their constitutional mandates, like protect our borders from invasion.
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It's about time !
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What got this thing past was the recent outrage of the cold blooded MURDER of Douglas, Arizona rancher Rob Krentz.
http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=12217645
People in this state had had enough of this kind of crap, along with the continual whining of the hispanic "community", who simply refuse to acknowledge, let along obey any and all of our immigration laws. When you see these people interviewed on local news shows, they keep on regurgitating this, "All they want to do is come here to work" nonsense. So do the 15%+ of OUR CITIZENS who are out of work due to the sick economy.
Arizona has had enough. Enough of the drug smuggling, the crime, the run down neighborhoods that follow these people everywhere they settle, the garbage littered desert from their illegal crossing attempts, and most of all the complacent attitude of these liberal lawmakers that cater to these people with their progressive thinking. With democratic super dyke Napolitano gone, hopefully things will start changing for the better here. This is a hell of a first start. Bill T.
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Watch out for the FEDS you are messing with their VOTES. just saying sh!^ storm coming DUCK Democratz crossing.
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Watch out for the FEDS you are messing with their VOTES. just saying sh!^ storm coming DUCK Democratz crossing.
The Feds, along with our whining, wimp, liberal mayor Phil Gordon threaten Arpaio on an almost daily basis. They're getting dizzy from running around in circles. He's now going to announce he is running for Governor. I hope he does, and I hope he WINS! He'll make the Feds commit suicide. Bill T.
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With it being a State Law now, the county Sheriffs have a ton of power enforcing it...and other matters in their county.
The Dems will have to try to get Illegal Immigration Rights incorporated. ...
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I'll let Rastus, give the specifics, but Oklahoma did this several years ago, not much was made in the media about it, because
drum roll please.
it worked! The illegals moved.
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Funny how that happens, isn't it.
Members of Congress are Committing a crime by Refusing to enforce our borders.
Mayors who declare their cities "sanctuary cities" are acting in defiance of both , Law, and the Constitution.
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Very glad they did it and hopefully Colorado will follow in the footsteps of AZ & OK! Den. Mayor John Chickenpooper along with the I'm bailing out Gov. Ritter (the railroading of ICE Agent Cory Vorhees for which he was aquited) both need to go to jail for their leave the illegal aliens alone policies.
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I like the spirit of this law. I love the day laborer attorney saying "its designed to make life miserable for illegals so they self-deport" as though this is a shocking and outageous concept? No Sh@t Sherlock, buy a clue. I do however have two problems with the law. The first is that it basically gives the police the right to say "Your papers please". This bugs me. There is curently no criminal requirement to carry ID unless you are driving and I like like it this way. Secondly, it gives too much discretion to the cops. They will (quite rationally) racially profile latinos. All it will take is one latino US citizen detained for not having papers and this whole thing gets thrown out on 14th ammendment grounds.
I would propose this alternative. Everyone arrested for a crime (regardless of race) must prove that they are here legally. If not, the law should instruct judges to regard them as a flight risk and deny them bail accordingly, as well as mandating that they be handed over to ICE. That way, the criminal illegals go, and no claims of racism can be made. Secondly, use state labor laws to make it a state crime to knowingly hire an illegal. Send undercover latino officers to those day labor sites, have them tell the prospective employer they have no green card and if they are hired anyway, arrest and jail the bastard. Every polce department in the country runs these stings on liquor stores to stop them selling to minors. It works. It should work for illegals as well. Again, there is no room for charges of discrimination or racial profiling. Just a thought.
FQ13
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Problem with that FQ, is the Feds won't take them.
They will tell local law enforcement "Let 'em go".
That happened up here, a couple years ago.
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The problem may have a solution that is simple to state but politically difficult to accomplish.
1. End the war on drugs.
2. End all welfare.
If immigrants want to come here, not for the hand outs, but for the opportunity to work hard for their families, well, that has been what this country is about.
If you worry about having your job taken by an uneducated foreigner who can barely speak English, then you need to get training.
If you worry there are not enough jobs to go around, imagine the jobs that will be created when over 50% of the tax revenue collected is returned to productive investment due to the elimination of welfare and the war on drugs.
The laws pertaining to immigration need to be reviewed, modified to reflect the current terrorist/crime world situation, and vigorously enforced.
Illegal border crossings need to be stopped. Anyone attempting illegal entry will lose all chance at legal entry. All illegal entrants will be sent back, alive if that is workable option at the time.
If you reduce the rewards of illegal entry while increasing the risks, you end the problem.
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The attorney for a day-laborer group in Phoenix says he is outraged. Chris Newman, with the Day Laborer Organizing Network, says, “It takes anti-immigrant hysteria to a level the country has not yet seen. It's designed to make life miserable for immigrants and families so they self-deport."
And this would be a bad thing ???
In this time of high unemployment does anyone really think we need a million ... or whatever, illegal immigrants to work for us? What we need is more job opportunities, and a change in mentality that "I need to work for my food" instead of "I'm going to sit at my computer in the A/C while someone else sweats for me."
Send 'em all home, keep the hard working legals, and learn to live like our ancestors that got us to the point we are ... or were a decade ago.
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BORDER CONTROL large piles of stinking dead bodies, Works every time.
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Congrats Arizona for having your cojones! This will never happen here in Maryland. Our local sheriff is in constant hot water with CASA and now the Feds (under Obama and his lame Attorney General) regarding upholding the federal laws on illegals. This is Republican country out here in western MD, but the state is dominated by Democrats. Our local sheriff gets little to no support from the state level. But let's be careful we don't go too far and create the rationale for that national ID card that Democrats crave. Makes me cringe to think I'll hear: "You haff your papers, ja?" Put an RFID on it and you are tracked everywhere! As a son of parents who emigrated to the U.S. via Ellis Island before WWI, I am a firm believer in legal immigration. I support local efforts to control what has become a national shame allowing millions to enter this country illegally. So again, Arizona, thanks for leading the effort. It indeed is about time.
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all this time i believed our government was supposed to carry out the wishes of the citizens not the other way around .(scratching head)these goody two shoe liberals better wake up before it';s too late,they are literally giving our country away along with our rights.
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Ariz. governor signs immigration bill into law
Brewer, saying that the state had been "more than patient waiting for Washington to act" on the issue of illegal immigration, said that the bill would protect Arizona citizens without violating individuals' constitutional rights.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36735281
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If Obama thinks it's "misguided", it HAS to be a good idea!!
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I posted on the other thread, but I'm still fuming ... so here is the Reader's Digest version:
All the new law says is that law enforcement must do their jobs! As an officer they are supposed to investigate if they suspect a crime has been convicted, and this new law says the same damn thing!
No one on either side that I have read or heard says that they must go out searching for illegals. All it says is that if they have reason to believe they must check.
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This, along with the "movement" for states’ rights spearheaded by Montana and Tennessee to counteract the infamous “Interstate Commerce" clause brings a gleam to my eye. Maybe, just maybe we can take this country back.
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Hooray for AZ!!! Now we need all the other states to follow suit!!!
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No one on either side that I have read or heard says that they must go out searching for illegals. All it says is that if they have reason to believe they must check.
Thats 100% right. But page 3 of the liberal playbook is "call them a racist". IMO we are at a point in this country where they should run EVERYONE (illegal is not a race, its a crime) for citizenship, just like they do to check for outstanding warrents.
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Well, well, well.... Obama is gonna go after Arizona for this. First he called them "irresponsible" then he said he is gonna have the justice dept look into whether it would violate civil rights. Lets see.... Fed Govt bullying and trying to influence a state for a law that it passed that will only effect their own state. Thug politics! Yep, its the Chicago way. Here is an idea, Barry, instead of having meetings with the justice dept how bout you light the fire under the butts of Homeland Security
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/23/obama-arizonans-irresponsible-for-immigration-enforcement-vote/
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He best not do it in person, or may find himself having to produce documentation >:(
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He best not do it in person, or may find himself having to produce documentation >:(
LOL...no wonder he is upset...he dare not visit the Grand Canyon anymore =)
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UPDATE: Dumb asses at the Justice Department/White House take notice: Its already federal law that aliens must always carry their green card with them
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/24/correction-the-actual-arizona-immigration-bill/
A. IN ADDITION TO ANY VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW, A PERSON IS GUILTY OF WILLFUL FAILURE TO COMPLETE OR CARRY AN ALIEN REGISTRATION DOCUMENT IF THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1304(e) OR 1306(a).