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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on April 22, 2010, 07:12:09 AM
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As our resident engineer dude, what insight can you give us on the oil rig explosion? This is something that I remember hearing a lot of in the 60's, 70's and even into the 80's, but it is not nearly as common as it used to be. Any thoughts you have on this?
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Rastus can probably give you more of the technical stuff, but I used to be a crew-boat driver on an oil rig in that same area and I can share a bit of insight. Rig work is mind-numbingly tedious and physically demanding, but boat driver is one of the better jobs.
The rig involved is a mobile floating platform designed to drill in particularly deep water. Some time back, that very same rig managed to set a new record for deep drilling. Anytime you have an extended drill depth, you have increased risk for something going wrong--it's just the nature of the beast. In this case, it appears that they hit a particularly high pressurized gas pocket at an unexpected time. They probably should have been prepared, but the tool pusher may have overlooked something, or somebody failed to do his part of the job--so, without knowing anything more specific to the contrary, I am going to put this in the operator error column. This is almost always a problem related to fatigue and boredom.
When you sign on to the rig, you sign for a two week stint and you are out there for 14-straight days with nothing to do but eat and work and sleep. The oil companies offer an increased pay incentive for you to stay for a third week, and an even greater incentive for you to stay for the fourth week. That means you have a bunch of semi-exhausted guys doing extremely dangerous work because they are making pretty good money by week 4. Somebody screwed up. When the high pressure gas exits the drill casing, it self-ignites, and explodes blowing up everything on the rig.
It looks like they lost 11 as of last report. That's a small number, considering. I can only add my prayer that God grants them eternal peace and provides some measure of comfort to the families left behind.
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One thing that amazes me is you never hear of one of these rigs ever having a Red Adair style blow out like you do land based wells. Even this, and the Piper Alpha disaster in the North Sea never spoke of oil leaking into the sea in any large quantity. You would think they would be more prone to this type of problem, not less. Bill T.
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well....
this is where I came up with my screen name, Deepwater. I used to work on these rigs. almost five years, also have some ex-shipmates working on the Horizon. about all that can cause this kind of damage on these ships/ semi submersibles now is a blowout. it sounds like they were cementing the production line when this happened. the production line is the last job done before leaving the well and capping it for future production.
when I left Transocean they did not offer higher wages for extra time on the ship or rig, in fact they often discouraged it to keep people from burning out. exceptions are made for times like this when they are completing a well or just starting and need the extra manpower.
I'm sure this is human error, as they have a blowout preventer on the sea floor to shut the well in when they get gas back with the mud (drilling fluid). seeing as they were cementing they may not have been monitoring the mud weight as closely... or they may have had a major failure in their blow out preventer. either way, I hope the 11 that are missing are found well and safe.
deepwater
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8664684.stm
Thousands of tonnes of oil have poured into the Gulf of Mexico after the disaster at the Deepwater Horizon oil rig over two weeks ago. But how does this leak compare with the largest offshore spills on record?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47791000/gif/_47791601_oil_spills466.gif)
The current size of the Deepwater Horizon spill is hard to measure exactly, but attempts can be made to estimate it.
Based on oil flow calculations from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Dr Simon Boxall, a marine pollution expert, says a total current spill can be estimated at about 7,000 to 10,000 tonnes of oil. (See factbox below for how this was worked out.)
But such estimates should always carry a caveat, he says, as these can be affected by factors such as the condition of the rig, the well and the quality of information available.
In terms of lives lost (11 workers died in the rig explosion), financial cost and environmental damage, the Deepwater Horizon incident is clearly serious. But it is not one of the world's largest spills in terms of size alone.
In fact, based on the estimate above, it would not register in the largest 50 single incident, offshore oil spills that have occurred worldwide. Even the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill - despite the controversy and coverage - is not in the top 10.
However the potential for damage caused by Deepwater Horizon is apparent when looking at the events of June 1979 in the Bay of Campeche, also in the Gulf of Mexico.
In that spill, the exploratory oil well Ixtoc 1 suffered a blowout and wasn't capped until more than nine months later, having released 461,000 tonnes of oil in total.
With the current situation in the Gulf of Mexico still uncertain, Dr Boxall, of the University of Southampton, points out reasons for optimism.
A plan to place a giant funnel over the leak could change things dramatically, he says.
"They reckon they will reduce the flow by 80% to 90%. And while there is no such thing as a good oil spill, the environment can cope much better with 70 tonnes a day than with 700 tonnes a day."
Only two of the spills in our list of the world's largest originated from oil rig explosions, the rest are tanker-related.
The largest of these came also in 1979, from the Atlantic Empress. It collided with the Aegean Captain in the Caribbean sea, spilling 287,000 tonnes of oil.
But far bigger than any of these peacetime accidents is the amount of oil spilled in the immediate aftermath of the first Iraq War, 1991. Although not a single offshore spill, it saw massive oil leaks that easily dwarf Ixtoc 1 with an estimated 1.4 million to 1.5 million tonnes of oil released into the Persian Gulf by Iraqi forces as they retreated from Kuwait.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47791000/gif/_47791667_oil_spill_top10_map.gif)
1. Ixtoc 1: 476,000 tonnes Bay of Campeche, Gulf of Mexico
2. Atlantic Empress: 287,000 tonnes Off Tobago, West Indies
3. Nowruz Oil Field: 272, 000 tonnes Persian Gulf
4. ABT Summer: 260,000 tonnes 700 nautical miles off Angola
5. Castillo de Bellver: 252,000 tonnes Off Saldanha Bay, South Africa
6. Amoco Cadiz: 223,000 tonnes off Brittany, France
7. Haven: 144,000 tonnes Genoa, Italy
8. Odyssey: 132,000 tonnes 700 nautical miles off Nova Scotia, Canada
9. Torrey Canyon: 119,000 tonnes Scilly Isles, UK
10. Sea Star: 115,000 tonnes Gulf of Oman
Exxon Valdez: 37,000 tonnes Prince William Sound, Alaska, US
Deepwater Horizon: 7,000 to 10,000 tonnes Gulf of Mexico
The biggest leaks are not necessarily the most environmentally destructive.
The tanker Exxon Valdez, which ran aground on Bligh Reef, Alaska ,in 1989, caused serious damage to the environment, killing thousands of seabirds as well as seals, sea otters, whales and fish. The remote location in sheltered waters only accentuated the problems.
The overall impact of an oil spill cannot be measured solely on size; weather conditions, the type of oil and the time it takes to stem the flow are just some of the many factors that also need to be considered.
not bad considering that we are hearing that it is the WORST ever....
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Worst in the Gulf. There are two things to consider. The first is that BP seems almost criminally negligent here. There was an article in today's Palm Beach Post with survivor interviews. What stuck me about all these was the work pattern. 21 days on and 21 days off. Now, not so bad, but the the 21 on were 12 hour days seven days a week. No days off, no half days etc. I'm sorry, but I call BS on that. No one can do 21 12 hour shifts dealing with physically demanding and exhausting work and not be mistake prone. BP should have seen this coming. The 21 day shift is fine, but lets at least make it 3, 4hr days in the mix to let folks sleep.
Second thing to consider is this this.The Gulf states make a hell of a lot more money from commercial and recreational fishing and beach tourism than oil drilling. If oil drilling cuts down on seafood production and tourism, drilling loses. Its just simple economics. No enviro-politics just dollars. Drill baby drill? Well first show us the money, otherwise, go talk to Sarah.
FQ13
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Worst ein the Gulf. There are two things to consider. The first is that BP seems almost criminally negligent here. Thre was an article in todays Palm Bch Post with survivor interviews. What stuck me about all these was the work pattern. 21 days on and 21 days off. Now, not so bad, but the the 21 on were 12 hour days seven days a week. No days off, no half days etc. I'm sorry, but I call BS on that. No one can do 21 12 dealing with physically demanding and exhausting work and not be mistake prone. BP should have seen this coming. The 21 day shift is fine, but lets at least make it 3, 4hr days in the mix to let folks sleep.
Second thing to consider is this this.The Gulf states make a hell of a lot more money from commercial and recreational fishing and beach tourism than oil drilling. If oil drilling cuts down on seafood production and tourism, drilling loses. Its just simple economics. No enviro-politics just dollars. Drill baby drill? Well first show us the money, otherwise, go talk to Sarah.
FQ13
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I disagree, it can and has been done. I did it for years, only I didn't get 21 days off.
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What were the consequences for failure on your part TAB? Talk to your wife. You and I both dated docs. Insane hours where a slip up can cost a life do not justify working to exhaustion and failure to save a buck. Add 10% more crew to each rotation to allow a little R&R time, even if it is just a half day shift once a week. It seems a lot cheaper than what we're looking at now. Yeah BP saved money by their rotations. How much will a decade's worth of oyster, crab and shrimp harvests cost them? And cost them it should. You make the mess, you clean it up. In this cae, its beyond even bankrupting BP's power to clean up. The solution? Work rules and safety regs that will eat into profits to minimize the chances of this happening again. The upside for oil compnies? A lessening of liability if they follow the law.
FQ13
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http://www.picassodreams.com/picasso_dreams/2010/05/a-creative-inexpensive-way-to-clean-up-the-oil-slick-in-the-gulf.html#tp
long one however look at the youtube vid
I am with TAB on this one there are lots of industries that do that style of shifts
also you have your 12 hours off most people would only have 8 hours if that of sleep any way. they also know it is not a long term thing as I would be guessing they expect a high staff turn over
we had a leak on a well here. the West Atlas Rig took about 10 weeks to stop after a fire back last year
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Its hard to argue with a smart redneck. Sometimes "Hold my beer and watch this" works just fine. These boys seem to have a cheap plan that's idiot proof, cheap, and certainley not going to make things worse, as some these dispersion chemicals will. The knock against them is that BP is dumping them in at too rapid a rate. It preserves the beaches, but it makes the oil sink, thus killing the grass beds, oysters etc., and poisoning the fishery. Easier to clean a beach than a grass flat, is just that a dirty beach looks bad on TV and is harder to defend against in court. :P.
FQ13
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Its hard to argue with a smart redneck. Sometimes "Hold my beer and watch this" works just fine. These boys seem to have a cheap plan that's idiot proof, cheap, and certainley not going to make things worse, as some these dispersion chemicals will. The knock against them is that BP is dumping them in at too rapid a rate. It preserves the beaches, but it makes the oil sink, thus killing the grass beds, oysters etc., and poisoning the fishery. Easier to clean a beach than a grass flat, is just that a dirty beach looks bad on TV and is harder to defend against in court. :P.
FQ13
All questions, speculation, and motivating factors have been addressed.
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All questions, speculation, and motivating factors have been addressed.
By whom and where? And who's motivation?
FQ13 who is asking, not arguing
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We don't really know what happened yet. Speculation is rampant. One of my best friends is working the problem as he is an international subsea blowout specialist. I am not even going to tell you what company he works for because that's the way he likes it. He won't tell me anything to protect his client confidentiality or even that he's on that job...but when I called his house and he was out the lady of the house told me where he was. The Minerals Management Service will, after an investigation is complete, describe exactly what is known and what happened on that basis....despite all of the media liberal crap those MMS guys don't hide anything and will let the chips fall where they may. The MMS has been known to send U.S. Marshalls out to grab people in non-compliance but that does not hit the news.
There have been a couple of misstatements made here. Is it because of unbridled enthusiasm of wanting to help and a lack of wanting to check facts because of perceived self-infallibility vs. prudent due diligence (i.e., mouth overruns ass wanting to tell other people what to do, why they are wrong and how to live their lives without ever experiencing what they are talking about?) or what???? I don't know.
The worst spill in the Gulf of Mexico was probably the IXTOC 1 which Phil posted. I say probably because the German's sunk just about every tanker built just east of the mouth of the Mississippi River in WWII. That's why the Colonial Pipeline was built...to bring oil to New England refineries. Anti-submarine efforts in WWII is why you have a Strategic Helium Reserve and why there are a lot of old blimp bases along the gulf coast.
Next, the rigs actually enhance the fisheries. Many studies by real scientists on this that conclude that rigs increase fisheries. The environmental pseudo-science guys create artificial pseudo-science arguements to the contrary to support their rhetoric. Period. The pseudo-scientists want to believe something so bad and so emphatically they can't be wrong...they have their reasons, whatever that is....and they need to save face too.
Concerning damage...all those tankers sunk in WWII and oil on the beaches caused no permanent harm. It was information kept from the public due to the war effort but Louisiana coasts were drenched with oil and people were paid to walk the beaches to help survivors and locate bodies.
The gulf states don't get the federal lease money because it's a federal lease. These days, the government gets 20% of shelf production in either the value or production in kind of offshore federal lease production. Go the the MMS website to see how much production that is and do the $$$$ calcs yourself. Louisiana has substantial production in inland waters and in state leases....that's on their website if you are interested in due diligence.
I worked 21 on-off, 7 on-off...you don't have to but that's why the pay is there. Just say no to the job. Doing that you are "captive labor" with special rights and privileges. I call BS on ignorant people who haven't been there and done that...I wish I could work 21 on-off right now...those days off are super sweet. Everyone I know who worked out there more than a week or two liked the schedule or they didn't come back. If you don't want to work it you don't have to....virtually everyone out there does except the specialized infrequent labor needed from time to time who generally only comes out for a couple of days at a time...this is not special to BP get over it and the workers like it and like the extra money it brings. It's their families and their lives to decide not yours, they don't want your help or your good intentions for their welfare. Who wants to get up and fly on a helicopter for an hour every morning to go to work or ride a boat for four hours to get to work....one way? This is remote work and travel time dock arrival to location, not round trip, is several hours for most jobs.
And, as usual, the government has made it worse. The USCG COP did not allow a two mile boom to be put around the location after the rig sunk. Why...because she is an idiot. The equipment and personnel were there....now the oil is out. Do not be fooled that the USCG has not been running and coordinating this effort....they always have the trump card and they are the 5000 (not 500) pound gorilla in the room. The use of dispersants is a USCG call...not BP's call and if you believe the newspapers and talking heads on this you've been deceived. I like the use of microbes, but the USCG doesn't...they are used on land everywhere, they are natural bugs taken from oiley locations that love oil and exist naturally......some hang up there. There is an MMS approved ICS plan specific to BP (submitted by BP) for spills....my thought and the word I get from cleanup guys is that the USCG is pointing to minor deficiencies in a U.S. Government approved plan (what plan survives first contact?) to keep the reporters eyes off of their fairly major mistakes. Enough bugs can denegrade the oil in days.
Something massive happened and it happened quickly on or adjacent to the rig floor access which is why none of the guys on the floor survived.
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By whom and where? And who's motivation?
FQ13 who is asking, not arguing
By you. The ONLY motivating factor to BP is to cut it's losses. Recover as much oil as possible (the product it sells) and to make sure that the "bitch slappin" it has to take in an American court room is as short and sweet as possible.
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This thread is starting to take the same turn as the main stream media and the tree huggers. Who actually believes that BP doesn't want to do the best or right thing here? What is best for the nation and the ecology is best for BP!
BP is losing money with every gallon of oil that spills out of those leaks. They lose money in terms of product to sell, cost of clean up, and cost in the courtroom due to both legitimate and frivolous law suits. BP does not want this to happen, and they don't want to ignore it. They want to work with all involved for the best possible solution.
A major item gets lost in all this oil bashing: This is one incident! Who many rigs are out there drilling and pumping day in and day out for decades? How many tankers are coming and going every day? How many wells are pumping in shallow water and on dry land today? How many pipelines are flowing full of crude and all kinds of refined product?
Sure this is a major event, but in terms of the entire industry and its daily production this is nothing! Just like comparing gun deaths to motor vehicle deaths and realizing how safe guns really are, compare the oil industry to others and be amazed at how safe it really is.
Now back to hoping and praying for this problem to be solved, contained and cleaned up soon!
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well....
this is where I came up with my screen name, Deepwater. I used to work on these rigs. almost five years, ....................
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when I left Transocean they did not offer higher wages for extra time on the ship or rig, in fact they often discouraged it to keep people from burning out. ..........
. either way, I hope the 11 that are missing are found well and safe.
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The discouraged extra work is what I remember too. The "boat people" are maritime as compared to the rig people and operate differently...as was the case when I last worked or managed offshore operations. I don't doubt the boats work that way, i.e. hands can work all they want. I remember deck hands weren't paid so well compared to the guys on the platforms. Does anyone know the significance of Camp Street ;) ?
I hope they are found too.
Also, the engineers said that there would be freezing of the chamber if lowered on the wells...what's the status of that thing right now?
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Also, the engineers said that there would be freezing of the chamber if lowered on the wells...what's the status of that thing right now?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8670895.stm
The unprecedented plan was to lower it 5,000 ft (1,500m) by remote-controlled submersibles over the main leak and then funnel the oil by pipe to a waiting tanker on the surface.
But a build-up of crystallised gas inside the box blocked the exit at the top and the device had to be put aside on the seabed for engineers to ponder their next move.
"I wouldn't say it's failed yet," said Doug Suttles, chief operating officer for the BP, the company responsible for the clean up.
"What I would say is what we attempted to do last night didn't work," Mr Suttles told reporters in Robert, Louisiana, on Saturday.
"As we were placing the dome over the leak source a large volume of hydrates formed inside the top of the dome, requiring us to move the dome to the side of the leak point.
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Appears, the "Methane" angle is being used quite a bit. The Coal miners here in the U.S. encountered methane, and also a mining accident currently in Russia is blaming methane.
News groups that have interviewed a few rig workers also said a methane "bubble" was a possibility.
STEVEN MUFSON AND MARK KAUFMAN
May 10, 2010
www.Gmpcs-US.com
A BUBBLE of methane that forced its way up from beneath the ocean floor caused last month's oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico, according to workers who survived the blast.
The gas shot up the drill column, expanding rapidly as it rose, and burst through a series of seals and barriers before exploding, triggering an even larger blast when the oil that gushed up behind it ignited.
The fullest account so far of events surrounding the blast on April 20 - which killed 11 workers and has led to more than 11.4 million litres of crude oil pouring into the sea - has emerged from an internal investigation into the accident by BP, the oil company that leased and operated the rig.
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My layman question is, how did it damage the blow-out preventer? Aren't they required to have two of these devices.
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My layman question is, how did it damage the blow-out preventer? Aren't they required to have two of these devices.
We'll just have to wait to see. These are manually actuated (manual instruction as opposed to automatic instruction) from the surface to the seafloor. Many things are possible.
BOP's are installed and all operations take place through them once they are installed. We drill through them, cement through them, address well control issues through them and a myriad of other operations. Deepwater would be more familiar with the subsea aspects of when they are installed, tested, etc.
Again, we'll get the straight skinny from the MMS on what happened to cause this tragedy. We never will hear about the USCG Rear Admiral's faux paus that made it worse.
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Worst in the Gulf. There are two things to consider. The first is that BP seems almost criminally negligent here. There was an article in today's Palm Beach Post with survivor interviews. What stuck me about all these was the work pattern. 21 days on and 21 days off. Now, not so bad, but the the 21 on were 12 hour days seven days a week. No days off, no half days etc. I'm sorry, but I call BS on that. No one can do 21 12 hour shifts dealing with physically demanding and exhausting work and not be mistake prone. BP should have seen this coming. The 21 day shift is fine, but lets at least make it 3, 4hr days in the mix to let folks sleep.
Second thing to consider is this this.The Gulf states make a hell of a lot more money from commercial and recreational fishing and beach tourism than oil drilling. If oil drilling cuts down on seafood production and tourism, drilling loses. Its just simple economics. No enviro-politics just dollars. Drill baby drill? Well first show us the money, otherwise, go talk to Sarah.
FQ13
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at this moment, I am doing my midnight round, I stay awake until 2300 hrs and return to the engine room (I am an engineering type, or 'snipe') for 1 hour. I start my day at 0800 hrs and end the day at 2000hrs. so far I have been aboard for 100 days. ??? maybe some folks can't take the hours and days etc... but then not everyone can be an engineer... ;D
seriously, 21 days at 12 hrs. per day is easy, especially in the oil field. the days fly by due to the work. also remember, your meals and bed are only a few feet away at all times. no commuting or any of that other bs. 12 hrs off is 12 hours of whatever you want.. work out, watch tv, movies, play cards... whatever.
Subsea.. I worked many weeks of overtime.. staying aboard during my time off, to work on subsea equipment. ours was (Horizon's was the same) double redundent from the ship with backup systems (manual) on the BOP itself. if we lost control from the surface we could send and ROV (submarine, and yes, they do have them on the ships) down to pull valves to operate the BOP. there are several ways to isolate with the BOP. 1. squeeze the pipe with anular valve, 2. squezze pipe with a sized ram that fits snuggly around the pipe and isolates the well from the riser and 3. sheer the pipe with a 'sheering ram' this cuts the pipe and isolates the well. after deciding on one of these actions they would pump weighted fluid through the 'choke and kill' lnes. this puts pressure on the rock formation and presses the gases back into the rock/shale. you all following this? anyway, the equipment should be tested OFTEN. we would check periodically and before every new evolution of the well. safety, safety, safety...
I left Transocean for a couple of reasons, one being the way they treated the original Reading and Bates employees. like red headed step children. we had taken the ship from the ship yard and literally moved several million pounds of steel on and off the ship and drilled several wells without a single incident/injury. that is impressive. also had a loyal and close crew that was split up when another Transocean rig was 'laid up' or out of work. they sent the out of work guys to take our places and sent a lot of my friends home. if Reading and Bates was still around I would not hesitate to work for them. well, my midnight round is done, must be going now,
deepwater
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Good post, DW...
I do like to learn about "how things work" or are done.
No grass cutting, errands to run...etc.
Is basic housekeeping, latrines, dishes and maintenance stuff done while on duty?
If so, on your 12 off, you get 8 hours to sleep and 4 all yours...more than most 8hr folks get in a work day..
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FQ,
You need to remember that these workers are also on the rig all the time. When they get done with their 12 hours on, there is limited activity. There are some creature comforts, but these guys aren't out "bar hopping" all evening. They are in a fairly well controlled environment, and they are there to work, eat and sleep. Also, for those that make the cut, they are used to the riggers of 12 on, 12 off for three weeks.
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I am now sailing as second engineer, this takes a lot of 'sea time' to upgrade, and I have achieved this in record time, by sailing about ten months per year. 12 hour days, 7 days a week. and I'm still (somewhat) normal.
I will say though, the oil field does build character..... ;D
now I'm in Guam (god help us if it tips over!) and having some wicked good fun... all night long. and tomorrow I go back to my 12 hour work day. life is good.
I love my fu^%&#ing job and my job loves fu*&%ing me! ;)
deepwater
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I am now sailing as second engineer, this takes a lot of 'sea time' to upgrade, and I have achieved this in record time, by sailing about ten months per year. 12 hour days, 7 days a week. and I'm still (somewhat) normal.
I will say though, the oil field does build character..... ;D
now I'm in Guam (god help us if it tips over!) and having some wicked good fun... all night long. and tomorrow I go back to my 12 hour work day. life is good.
I love my fu^%&#ing job and my job loves fu*&%ing me! ;)
deepwater
Then you are a lucky man, and I stand corrected. The only reason I got pissy about this to begin with was that I dated a trauma surgeon in the middle of her seven year internship in a busy Miami ER. The hours were insane. Hundred hour weeks were the norm and having to attend a four hour debriefing on M&M (morbidity and mortality) as well as writing up your notes was a "day off". I saw what this did to her. I also know damn well that I would sure rather have had her operating on me after a weekend off, then at the end of 4 days on call. The medical community puts up with this to limit the supply of doctors and to cram 20 years of knowledge into a dozen years of school and internships. Still, expecting people who are physically and mentally exhausted to perform mentally demanding and physically challenging work (like a 6 hour operation to repair a gun shot wound) after not havining seen your own bed in 4 days, or gotten more than 2 consecutive hours of sleep, strikes me as a bad idea. And a forseesable and avoidable risk.
FQ13
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Then you are a lucky man, and I stand corrected. The only reason I got pissy about this to begin with was that I dated a trauma surgeon in the middle of her seven year internship in a busy Miami ER. The hours were insane. Hundred hour weeks were the norm and having to attend a four hour debriefing on M&M (morbidity and mortality) as well as writing up your notes was a "day off". I saw what this did to her. I also know damn well that I would sure rather have had her operating on me after a weekend off, then at the end of 4 days on call. The medical community puts up with this to limit the supply of doctors and to cram 20 years of knowledge into a dozen years of school and internships. Still, expecting people who are physically and mentally exhausted to perform mentally demanding and physically challenging work (like a 6 hour operation to repair a gun shot wound) after not havining seen your own bed in 4 days, or gotten more than 2 consecutive hours of sleep, strikes me as a bad idea. And a forseesable and avoidable risk.
FQ13
well, like I said, not everyone can be an engineer. anybody else for a gin & tonic? how about a Guinness?
deepwater
I love my job!!!!! ;D
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well, like I said, not everyone can be an engineer. anybody else for a gin & tonic? how about a Guinness?
deepwater
I love my job!!!!! ;D
Get to So. Fl. and TW and I will buy you one of each. We just might do it several times. ;D And here folks thought you and Haz were dangerous. ;)
FQ13
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Get to So. Fl. and TW and I will buy you one of each. We just might do it several times. ;D And here folks thought you and Haz were dangerous. ;)
FQ13
well... TW has already gotten the DW tanked on Red Stripes, and of course, Dw and Haz, well,,,,,,,, we just may be dangerous.. sorry, maybe hell. we are dangerous. ;D
deepwater
oh yeah, Guinness, draught please.... ;D
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oh yeah, Guinness, draught please.... ;D
Doesn't really work with sitting in the sun and watching the topless 20 somethings in South Beach. More of a mojito or Kalick or Redstripe kind of vibe. But, whatever works for you. ;)
FQ13
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Hey Deepwater... As to your claim of being normal...
Dude, Haz and I have spent too much time with you to let THAT go unchallenged. LOL ;D
Hurry back with some pisco and we might let you sit near the normal kids. ;)
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Have you guy's seen Transocean's story on what happened?
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=113031&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1576865&highlight= (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=113031&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1576865&highlight=)
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Couldn't they have saved a lot of time and paper by just taking out a memo pad and saying
It's BP's fault!
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I had the same thought when I read it. Trans Oceanic may have conducted an exemplary investigation, I don't know.
But they are not going to accept any blame or liability by saying "our oversight of our investment sucked, it was our own fault".
BP has already passed the blame to their suppliers and sub contractors.
Any Govt investigation willing be tainted by BO's anti drilling agenda.
Will any one investigate who does not have an axe to grind ?
If so when can we expect to hear their report ?
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Haven't read this yet, but for those that are interested...
http://gcaptain.com/books/
deepwater
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Worth a few minutes. They failed to mention and discuss the failure of the quick disconnect system that would have allowed them to part from the riser and sail away. That panel was damaged in the initial blast, part of the OIM's testimony.
THIS IS TRANSOCEANS (DRILLING CONTRACTOR) VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE BP BLOW OUT AND CONTAINMENT.
http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Blow-Out-Preventer-(BOP)-1079.html (http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Blow-Out-Preventer-(BOP)-1079.html)