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Title: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: twyacht on April 22, 2010, 08:44:37 PM

Are you kidding me?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100422/ap_on_re_us/us_old_south_fraternity_3

Thu Apr 22, 6:09 pm ET

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – A college fraternity inspired by Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee has banned members around the country from wearing Confederate uniforms to "Old South" parties and parades after years of complaints that the tradition was racially insensitive.

The Virginia-based Kappa Alpha Order issued new rules to chapters earlier this year saying members aren't allowed to wear Rebel uniforms to parties or during their parades, which are a staple on campuses across the South.

The decision, announced in an internal memo posted on the group's website, followed a flap last year at the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa, where a black sorority complained after a KA parade stopped in front of its house on campus. KA members were dressed in the gray uniforms of Confederate officers, and young women wore hoop skirts.

More than 70 alumnae of the sorority, Alpha Kappa Alpha, sent a petition to Alabama President Robert Witt complaining about the use of Confederate flags and uniforms on campus.

In the memo to chapters, Kappa Alpha's national executive director, Larry Wiese, said such displays had to end.

"In today's climate, the Order can ill afford to offend our host institutions and fend off significant negative national press and remain effective at our core mission, which is to aid young men in becoming better community leaders and citizens," Wiese wrote.

The KA chapter at Alabama has canceled this year's Old South parade, which was set for this week. Still, a large Confederate national flag covers the front of its house on campus.

Other KA chapters quit donning Confederate uniforms or holding parades with Old South themes in recent years as criticism grew. The University of Georgia chapter canceled its parade in 2006 after complaints by residents of a black neighborhood. Instead, it switched to a Founder's Day parade, with members riding horses but ditching Confederate gear.

Auburn University's chapter ended its Old South parade in 1992 after black students confronted white students with Confederate flags.

Kappa Alphas at Centenary College in Shreveport, La., moved their Old South events off campus in 2002 after drawing protests from the Black Student Alliance and others over the Confederate garb.

On Thursday, the University of Alabama said the decision to call off the parade there was made by the fraternity in consultation with school administrators.

Thomas Wilson, KA's president at Alabama, said the fraternity supports "an inclusive campus environment, and as an organization we chose not to participate in an activity that we knew other members of the community found offensive."

"The members of the fraternity understand that when traditions hurt others, even unintentionally, it's time to change them," said dean of students Tim Hebson.

An alumna of the black sorority that complained about racial insensitivity at last year's parade said there are ways for the fraternity to acknowledge its Southern heritage beside dressing up like Confederate soldiers.

"The women of Alpha Kappa Alpha and other racially diverse groups on UA's campus trust that the men of Kappa Alpha will find ways to commemorate their founders in a spirited and significant manner that simultaneously recognizes the progress that we have made in race relations since the founding of Kappa Alpha and the rich diversity and inclusiveness of our progressive and positive campus," said Joyce Stallworth, now an associate education dean at Alabama.

Kappa Alpha was founded in 1865 at Washington & Lee University — a school partly named for the Confederate general, and the group calls Lee its "spiritual founder." It has about 130 chapters nationwide.

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It seems even Southern Gentleman can't even get a break. >:(

Better be careful,.....The South May Rise Again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAfHigPsC_s

Title: Re: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: PegLeg45 on April 22, 2010, 08:49:55 PM

Oh for Pete's sake......

Title: Re: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: fightingquaker13 on April 22, 2010, 08:54:30 PM

True, but.. it should be as easy to put on a tricorn hat and pick up a Gadsen flag and a 13 star flag and invite the black frats to march with you. Unity, history, heritage and a useful political reminder these days.
FQ13 who has a portrait of Lee on his wall, but also thinks there is being stubborn and being smart. Particularly when being smart can win you friends and allies.

Title: Re: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 22, 2010, 09:30:21 PM

FQ, that is not being smart, that is just giving away your heritage to appease some some liberal POS.

Political Correctness is intellectual fascism.

Remember the NY St Patrick's Day Parades ?

Title: Re: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: Solus on April 23, 2010, 10:04:31 AM

Some years ago, I was looking at some information on the Civil War.  Having been born and raised a Northern Yankee, I was generally biased towards "my side" and our victory.  I was 16 at the time and my knowledge of the conflict was only what I had been taught in school.

Well, in looking at the information on the major battles, I noticed that the North only won battles where they had the South outnumbered by 3 to 1 or more.

From a military capability standpoint, everyone should praise the fighting ability of the Confederate Soldiers.

Title: Re: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 23, 2010, 10:11:41 AM

The Army of Northern Virginia, under the legendary Leadership of Gen. Robert E. Lee, did more , with less than any other fighting force between Valley Forge and Guadalcanal.
Those raggedy azzed barefoot bast#$ds should live for ever in the memory of their descendants.

Title: Re: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: Walter45Auto on April 23, 2010, 03:20:04 PM

Quote from: Solus on April 23, 2010, 10:04:31 AM

.....From a military capability standpoint, everyone should praise the fighting ability of the Confederate Soldiers.

That's cause all the Southerners were good ol farm boys who stayed alive buy shooting meat for the table, and knew their southern woods like the back of their hand. And the Whitworth rifle probably helped.  ;D

Title: Re: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: fightingquaker13 on April 23, 2010, 03:49:30 PM

They were also parnoid of slae revolts, esppecially post Haiti. In the non-frontier North, the militias were not taken all that seriously by anyone. In the South they were deady serious business, especially the calvary which was seen as key to responding to and routing revolts on the plantaions.
FQ3

Title: Re: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: tt11758 on April 23, 2010, 04:08:26 PM

Am I the only one who sees something of a double-standard in an all-black sorority complaining about a lack of diversity? 

Can you say "hypocrisy"?

Title: Re: Fraternity Inspired By Robert E. Lee Banned.
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 23, 2010, 08:56:36 PM

Quote from: tt11758 on April 23, 2010, 04:08:26 PM

Am I the only one who sees something of a double-standard in an all-black sorority complaining about a lack of diversity? 

Can you say "hypocrisy"?

I better have you check over any speeches I may write, I would have just called it Racist PC Bullsh!* .