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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: Paraguy on April 26, 2010, 05:16:56 PM
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In my quest to add as much on to my AR-15 as possible,I decided to add a Muzzle Brake to my Bushmaster .223 to increase the number of shots I can rattle off in X seconds. And oh yeah, it does look kinda' cool. Anyone have experience with these and can provide some tips as to what to expect? Am I going to feel like it is a completely different rifle or is it just going to perform slightly better and just look different in the process?
And Michael, I am seriously working on a way to hang a coffee maker off the rail using the Keurig coffee technology using barrel heat for the H2O with a cup holder also hanging off the rail with the 12 other gizmos on there, you know, just in case....
Y COMP Muzzle Brake for Threaded Muzzle Barrels
These 5.56mm/.223 compensators are threaded to fit "Pre-Ban" AR barrels. The Y Comp overall length is 3 1/4" - the Mini Y Comp is 2 5/16" overall length. Order either a Crush Washer or Peel Washer for installation. These brakes are for barrels with muzzles threaded 1/2" x 28 T.p.I. (threads per inch).
Options: Y Comp Brake or Mini Y
Price: $48.95
Part No: YHM-258
Quantity:
Options
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Someone please post the now DRTV famous uber accessorized AR, (yes with key chain and compass,...)... ::)
Anyone have experience with these and can provide some tips as to what to expect? Am I going to feel like it is a completely different rifle or is it just going to perform slightly better and just look different in the process?
Uh, it will still be a Bushmaster, feel the same, perform the same, and should actually be more stable with all that extra weight. ;D
Don't forget, the Swiss Army knife Picatinny Rail sheath, and the cup holder is a great idea.... ::)
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Like your idea for a new topic.
My name is Paraguy, and I can't stop hanging stuff off my rifle <applause>
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Para Guy, I love the Miculek, muzzle break, low price, and it works. Under 40 bucks retail. Very easy to install...
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Well, I gotta throw a plug in there for my own design. I think it's the best on the market, but I'm a bit biased. ;D
Here is some video of the Titan Compensator in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Z2k6dFQh0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Z2k6dFQh0)
USSA-1
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Well, I gotta through a plug in there for my own design. I think it's the best on the market, but I'm a bit biased. ;D
Here is some video of the Titan Compensator in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Z2k6dFQh0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Z2k6dFQh0)
USSA-1
I'm not going to be bleeding from the eyes and ears from your compensator if I have to SO a stage for you am I? ;D
Some types are down right unpleasant to be around.
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Depends upon where you stand! ;D
If you get in behind the shooter, then you'll be fine. Otherwise it can get pretty loud, but that's how you can tell a good compensator design. They turn recoil into noise!
USSA-1
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All great info, thank you! Should have asked earlier before ordering or would have gone with the experts recommendation. I will post a report on how the one I bought works out. It was $49 and was from the bushmaster.com website.
As for noise, they use shotguns where I go so a louder than normal AR-15 shouldn't tick off too many folks.
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OK, I'm getting one for my Sig 556. 8)
Thank you Eric.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVZVcO9zhJI&feature=related
Yes Please!!!! I'll take two.
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I wish they still made one that I have called the DTA mil-brake by Fabian Bros. Don't ask who that is. I don't know. It's a flash hider on the front part and a compensator with an expansion chamber on the rest. It allows mounting a bayonet and makes no visible flash from a 16" barrel.
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Frank, I got one I'll sell you, used but not abused, I think I installed 1985ish.
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No thanks. 1985 sounds about right. I think I got mine somewhere around '87-'91. I put it on my other rifle and bought a fake suppressor. http://www.mfiap.com/smallarms/silencer.shtml I wish I had pics but my camera broke.
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FedEx delivered the new Muzzle Brake and I got her on and it sure looks purdy, can't wait to get to the range. I went yesterday to try without the brake so I have a recent comparison, and I just felt like going.
Question, I installed with the crush washer as directed and it is on snug/tight. The side vents look right but there are vents on the end which are pointing down, I thought they would be going up, any thoughts or feedback?
Not that I would have used them, but there were no directions.
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I've never seen a comp with the holes facing down. Maybe it needs another half turn. I always use peel washers so I don't know if you can turn it that far with a crush washer.
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Here's a related question. I'm ok with recoil with the standard muzzel break. But is there anything legal, not a suppresor, that will lessen noise or make it more difficult to pinpoint from say a couple of hundred yards? I'm not trying to be all ninja here, just lessening racket on the range and maybe a tactical use, but if that comes into play ATF is the least of my worries.
FQ13
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Taking the comp/muzzle brake off will likey cut down on the noise but not a lot. Some are loud off to the side.
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I've never seen a comp with the holes facing down. Maybe it needs another half turn. I always use peel washers so I don't know if you can turn it that far with a crush washer.
Vents down didn't seem right to me either. I could not turn it any more much less give it half a turn. What I found works was leaving the old crush washer on with the new one. It now has the vents up and fits snug/tight like it seems it should. The crush washers do not give one bit what-so-ever, but the specs call for using one so it must be right, just not sure why I need two to make it fit right. Makes the barrel look an 1/8" longer completely changing the appearance of the rifle ;-)
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I like brakes and flash hiders to have a jam nut, so you can orient them to your taste. Vent oriented downward can make for a crappy outing if shooting prone, especially in loose soil, not to mention gives your location away.
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Went to the range and it works as advertised, recoil cut by more than half! The downside is that in an indoor range with partitions on either side, it feels like you are getting hit with an air cannon every time you fire. Kinda' cool actually, but may go back to the factory original unless practicing rapid fire. And oh yeah, it is a bit louder which is also very cool.
Bottom line, I would recommend getting one to cut down on recoil and increase the number of shots you can get on target inrapid succession. I would be careful shooting in an open area near other shooters, as was mentioned, you don't want to be too close to someone else shooting with one.
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In my quest to add as much on to my AR-15 as possible,I decided to add a Muzzle Brake to my Bushmaster .223 to increase the number of shots I can rattle off in X seconds. And oh yeah, it does look kinda' cool. Anyone have experience with these and can provide some tips as to what to expect? Am I going to feel like it is a completely different rifle or is it just going to perform slightly better and just look different in the process?
And Michael, I am seriously working on a way to hang a coffee maker off the rail using the Keurig coffee technology using barrel heat for the H2O with a cup holder also hanging off the rail with the 12 other gizmos on there, you know, just in case....
Y COMP Muzzle Brake for Threaded Muzzle Barrels
These 5.56mm/.223 compensators are threaded to fit "Pre-Ban" AR barrels. The Y Comp overall length is 3 1/4" - the Mini Y Comp is 2 5/16" overall length. Order either a Crush Washer or Peel Washer for installation. These brakes are for barrels with muzzles threaded 1/2" x 28 T.p.I. (threads per inch).
Options: Y Comp Brake or Mini Y
Price: $48.95
Part No: YHM-258
Quantity:
Options
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Well, Muzzle brake or compensator. Mine is the Primary Weapons FSC556 comp for my Panther Bull Sweet 16. Had to have my barrel threaded to install the comp. They were able to time the threads so I didn't need the peel washers. WOW what a difference; this thing is awesome, double taps are right on the money. Love this comp.
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My Bushy came with an Izzy, very accurate.
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Well, I gotta throw a plug in there for my own design. I think it's the best on the market, but I'm a bit biased. ;D
Here is some video of the Titan Compensator in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Z2k6dFQh0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Z2k6dFQh0)
USSA-1
What's the overall length of the Titan? I couldn't find detailed specs anywhere.
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bafsu92,
Technically, the overall length is 3 1/4".
For competition purposes, comps are measured when they are attached to the barrel of the rifle, not standing alone. Since the Titan attaches via a 1/2" threaded barrel, when measured from the end of the muzzle, the comp is 2 3/4" long and is legal for all rifle matches with a 3" maximum length requirement.
Just in case you wanted to know if it was legal for competition.
USSA-1
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Does the Comp. / muzzle break have That much effect on performance that competitors are seperated based on the length of the device ?
I'm not being a smart donkey, I've never dealt with these.
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Tom,
Get ready for a quick 3-gun history lesson.
Initially, there were only two divisions. Open and Limited. This would be mid to late 90's. Open-anything goes. Limited-iron sights only, no comps. With the 94 AWB in full effect, manufacturers started making AR's with muzzle brakes and comps, perm attached. This caused a problem because every new shooter to the sport would automatically be put into the open division because of a comp they couldn't take off the rifle. Allowing them into Limited keep new blood coming into the sport, but gave the new rifles a significant advantage over the standard pre-ban flash suppressor rifles, so they changed the rules to allow comps in the Limited division. At the time the "best" comp on the market was the JP tank brake comp. It was and still is very good. Better than the factory comps available at the time. Since shooters with post ban rifles couldn't change out the comps on the rifles, shooters with pre-ban rifles could use the JP comp while post-ban rifle shooters could not. There was enough of a design advantage that having a pre-ban rifle with a JP comp was still enough of an advantage over the factory post-ban rifle/comp models that it was still deemed unfair to all those who couldn't acquire a pre-ban, but the powers that be didn't want to outlaw the JP comp across the board. In the end, they created the 3" rule to prohibit the JP comp from being used in Limited division, but it would still be legal for Open division.
This rule carries through to today, but now there are several new comp designs on the market that are just as good as the JP comp, but fit within the 3"x1" rules, so its more of a carry over rule today, but at the time it was a significant issue.
USSA-1
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Thanks USSA-1. I might try one out just because the video is so impressive but I was asking since I've been looking for a truly functional comp or flash hider that is long enough to make a 12.5" barrel legal if pinned/welded etc. There are a lot of "flash hiders" on the market that do this but are nothing more than a piece of pipe with some random holes or slots or just a stretched out A2 flash hider. I cant find a quality, functional product that will give at least 3.6" from the end of the barrel.