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WASHINGTON, May 6 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's adminstration will soon announce its plan to reopen the U.S. border to Mexican trucks and end a dispute that prompted Mexico to slap duties last year on $2.4 billion worth of U.S. goods, a top U.S. official said on Thursday.
"President Obama's team has worked very hard to put a proposal together. We will be announcing it very soon," U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told lawmakers.
(Reporting by Doug Palmer; Editing by Vicki Allen)
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0626694320100506
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This is baaaad news for the trucking industry and the driving populace at large. The Mex drivers will haul for pennies and their trucks are rolling disasters looking for a place to happen! Think about this the next time a 18 wheeler is crawling up your butt and there's a red light or steep downhill in front of you as you wonder if his brakes are working. - Haz.
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Haz said:
This is baaaad news for the trucking industry and the driving populace at large.
I don't know, Haz. If we have a few multi-car fireballs caused by Mexi-trucks, that might just open the eyes of a few more sheeple to the idiocies promoted by the Odamna regime. It would certainly be bad news for the Americans involved in the fireballs, but it just might tip the scales to the common sense side of the equation for many others.
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Haz said: I don't know, Haz. If we have a few multi-car fireballs caused by Mexi-trucks, that might just open the eyes of a few more sheeple to the idiocies promoted by the Odamna regime. It would certainly be bad news for the Americans involved in the fireballs, but it just might tip the scales to the common sense side of the equation for many others.
I doubt that even that would open the eyes of the Obama-nation.....they'll just say something like "if you want to make an omlette, you have to break a few eggs"......
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If these trucks are going to haul for pay, they need to meet all the requirements of commercial trucks of the US. The drivers would need to have commercial licenses also, and the trucks licensed for the states in which they would be operating.
All other US and state laws for commercial trucking should apply.
US trucks are stopped all the time for inspections of the driver's log, load limitations, required gasoline purchase within the state and any safety violations. So "profiling" cannot be called.
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If these trucks are going to haul for pay, they need to meet all the requirements of commercial trucks of the US. The drivers would need to have commercial licenses also, and the trucks licensed for the states in which they would be operating.
All other US and state laws for commercial trucking should apply.
US trucks are stopped all the time for inspections of the driver's log, load limitations, required gasoline purchase within the state and any safety violations. So "profiling" cannot be called.
Yes, they are SUPPOSED to conform to out standards BUT...
DOT does not have the resources to check all the trucks. As they are not registered in the US there are no initial standards (inspections) other than Mexican law. It WILL be a bunch of rolling wrecks with drivers that cannot speak English loose on our highways transporting for pennies on the dollar and driving US truckers out of business.
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Yes, they are SUPPOSED to conform to out standards BUT...
DOT does not have the resources to check all the trucks. As they are not registered in the US there are no initial standards (inspections) other than Mexican law. It WILL be a bunch of rolling wrecks with drivers that cannot speak English loose on our highways transporting for pennies on the dollar and driving US truckers out of business.
Then if we don't have the resources to police the Mexican trucks and are going to let them run free here, I'd say that shows that aspect is not important and we need to relieve US truckers of all those regulations.
We will also save a bundle by not paying all the DOT employees who have not been needed all this time...
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Soooooo, extortion works ??? We ban their trucks, they put on duties, and we cave >:(
Here is a thought that is way to practical to ever be implemented:
Customs and DOT work together at the border to inspect every carrier coming across. Fail an inspection and you don't drive on U.S. roads. If I was hauling grain to the local elevator and was stopped on the side of the road for a spot check, it doesn't matter if I have a current DOT inspection in the windshield or not, if I fail that truck ain't moving. These trucks come to the border, they get inspected, and they pass or not.
In terms of national security, doesn't this make sense. Maybe instead of buying $200,000 pumper trucks for fire departments all over the nation, the Dept. of Homeland Security should tackle tasks like this one! New radio upgrades every decade that not only requires new radios, but new transmitters and towers all over the nation. All at the same time that every squad car, ambulance and firetruck is getting equipped with computers and GPS, and every worker is getting cell phones. How did we ever fight fires or even get to the scene of an accident in the past? My rules when I directed the local ambulance and when I taught EMT's in the past - "If you can't read a map and a plat book, you can't be on this service, and until you know your way around our service area you can't drive." Damn ... A $5 plat book as compared to a $200 gps ($750 when sold to emergency services). This department is doing the big flash and buying into the hi-tech sales job, and ignoring the basics of getting out and doing the work.
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Agreed, M58..
But if they claim they don't have the manpower to police the Mexican vehicles to make sure they comply and still let them run, then don't waste the money making US truckers comply when the rules don't matter.
Yes...inspection at the border is the solution.
Then compliance can be easily checked by state or local law enforcement.
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Yes, they are SUPPOSED to conform to out standards BUT...
DOT does not have the resources to check all the trucks. As they are not registered in the US there are no initial standards (inspections) other than Mexican law. It WILL be a bunch of rolling wrecks with drivers that cannot speak English loose on our highways transporting for pennies on the dollar and driving US truckers out of business.
The DOT is not responsible for enforcement. That is handled by state highway patrols and the traffic courts. The DOT simply puts the regs in place. So a rolling disaster is dealt with as a traffic stop. No additional enforcement is needed beyond maybe more state troopers, which, we could probably use a few more anyway. At least in my state, where 1-2 troopers will patrol a 400 mile stretch.
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The 'border inspections' will help but from my past reading of this agreement these trucks will be free to 'roam' the US once here.
Canada trucks can deliver to the US or can pick up in the US and deliver to Canada but NOT US to US. My understanding is the Mexican trucks WILL be able to do US to US so once they're here they will be running free all over the place.
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I agree with border inspections also.
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Haz said: I don't know, Haz. If we have a few multi-car fireballs caused by Mexi-trucks, that might just open the eyes of a few more sheeple to the idiocies promoted by the Odamna regime. It would certainly be bad news for the Americans involved in the fireballs, but it just might tip the scales to the common sense side of the equation for many others.
Sorry CR, that won't work.
Some years back, there was a horrendous fireball wreck in southern Wisconsin - minivan carrying a pastor, his wife and 4-5 of his kids blew up. The pastor and his wife survived, the kids did not. Think about being in the pastor's place.
Turns out witnesses saw metallic debris coming off an 18-wheeler that apparently punctured the gas tank of the minivan. Driver of the 18-wheeler was an illegal on a bought Illinois CDL. This was how they found out the rampant crime that existed in the Secretary of State's office in Illinois that ultimately brought down Governor George Ryan, who was Secretary of State when the CDLs (plural, many of them) got sold.
There is already precedent. Won't matter in bho's drive stampede toward making the US of A a world mediocrity and bring on the NWO.
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Since in my opinion Obama is a illegal maybe he should take up residency in Mexico he seems to put them above our laws and citizens.
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The 'border inspections' will help but from my past reading of this agreement these trucks will be free to 'roam' the US once here.
Canada trucks can deliver to the US or can pick up in the US and deliver to Canada but NOT US to US. My understanding is the Mexican trucks WILL be able to do US to US so once they're here they will be running free all over the place.
Based on the ones already here, I'd say that sounds about right.
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The 'border inspections' will help but from my past reading of this agreement these trucks will be free to 'roam' the US once here.
Canada trucks can deliver to the US or can pick up in the US and deliver to Canada but NOT US to US. My understanding is the Mexican trucks WILL be able to do US to US so once they're here they will be running free all over the place.
Send them to Minnesota! It has been said that the only thing that will scare a pro hokey player come out of the ref's mouth in the middle of a fight ... "Let them fight." In Minnesota nothing strikes fear in the hearts of truckers like the maroon Suburban and their occupants on the side of the road.
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This should never happen,
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One scary thought. Haz, when you said "free to roam the U.S." did you mean they are not limited to normal inspections?
If so, what happens if a State Trooper doesn't understand Mexican for "Diplomatic Immunity" ???
Is this like when Mel Gibson didn't understand that phrase ;D
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One scary thought. Haz, when you said "free to roam the U.S." did you mean they are not limited to normal inspections?
If so, what happens if a State Trooper doesn't understand Mexican for "Diplomatic Immunity" ???
Is this like when Mel Gibson didn't understand that phrase ;D
M58, They would be subject to normal random inspections like all commercial vehicles but there are MANY ways around those. (avoid scales for one)
As far as English to get a US drivers license (commercial) you are SUPPOSED to be able to communicate in English.
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I assume the trucks would go through customs inspection at the border and the occupants would have to have legal access to the US?
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I ass/u/me the trucks would go through customs inspection at the border and the occupants would have to have legal access to the US?
Bad idea. >:(
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How many of you have heard of KC Smartport? It was started a few years back. It basically allows Mexican trucks to cross the border without inspections and drive to KC.
Also check out their website: http://www.kcsmartport.com/pdf/SmtPrtOneRoute.pdf
A Mexican customs facility planned for Kansas City's inland port may have to be considered the sovereign soil of Mexico as part of an effort to lure officials in that country into cooperating with the Missouri development project.
Gutierrez's March 10 e-mail ended by expressing a hope that discussion of the Mexican customs facility issue could be kept from the public, obviously concerned that press scrutiny might end up producing an adverse public reaction that could destroy the project. Gutierrez specifically proposes a low-profile strategy designed to keep the KC SmartPort and the Mexican customs facility out of public view.
Despite adamant denials by Kansas City Area Development Council officials, WND has obtained e-mails and other documents from top executives with the KCSmartPort project that suggest such a facility would by necessity be considered Mexican territory – despite its presence in the heartland of the U.S.
The documents were obtained with the assistance of Joyce Mucci, the founder of the Mid-America Immigration Reform Coalition, under the provisions of the Missouri Sunshine Law from the City of Kansas City, Mo., and from the Missouri Department of Economic Development.
The documents reveal a two-year campaign initiated in 2004 and managed by top SmartPort officials to win Mexico's agreement to establish the Mexican customs facility within the Kansas City "inland port." Kansas City SmartPort launched a concerted effort to advance the idea, holding numerous meetings with Mexican government officials in Mexico and in Washington to push the Mexican port idea in concert. The effort involved Missouri elected officials, including members of the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate.
To speed the crossing at Laredo, Texas, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America working groups within the U.S. Department of Commerce will allow Mexican trucks to be equipped with electronic FAST technology so the trucks can cross the border in express lanes.
At the Kansas City SmartPort hub, the containers can be transferred to semi-trailers heading east or west, or simply stay on the Mexican trucks all the way into Canada.
According to the SmartPort website, in March 2005, Kansas City signed a cooperative pact with representatives from the Mexican state of Michoacan, where Lazaro Cardenas is located, to increase the cargo volume between Lazaro Cardenas and Kansas City.
Shipments will be pre-screened in Southeast Asia, and the shipper will send advance notification to Mexican and American Customs with the corresponding ''pre-clearance'' information on the cargo. Upon arrival in Mexico, containers will pass through multiple X-ray and gamma ray screenings, allowing any containers with anomalies to quickly be removed for further inspection.
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SmartPorts are a recipie for disaster....
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How many of you have heard of KC Smartport? It was started a few years back. It basically allows Mexican trucks to cross the border without inspections and drive to KC.
Also check out their website: http://www.kcsmartport.com/pdf/SmtPrtOneRoute.pdf
To speed the crossing at Laredo, Texas, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America working groups within the U.S. Department of Commerce will allow Mexican trucks to be equipped with electronic FAST technology so the trucks can cross the border in express lanes.
HOLY CHIT!!!
The premise of the movie Red Dawn was that foreign troops entered the US on military planes on civilian flight plans.
Now we are working to allow uninspected trucks to cross our borders and drive to Kansas City unattended????!!!!!
Kansas is the exact center of the US What the HELL are we thinking!!!???
We worried that Osama's shipping would allow dirty bombs to arrive and be detonated simultaneously at every US port. Now we are working on a plan that will allow the same at EVERY US CITY, MILITARY POST, COMMUNICATIONS CENTER AND MISSILE DEFENSE SITE????
How close to TREASON can you get???
I've never favored unions, and the Teamsters in particular, but suddenly there are certain aspects of the Teamsters that I feel should be applied here.
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No offense guys, but lets remember this was W's plan. Clinton signed NAFTA, W. "I know the ammbassador to Mexico" rammed this position through and now BO is stuck with it, unless he wants to man up and stop it. He doesn't, for the same resaon none of the others did, more money for corporations who save money on things like safe rigs, trained drivers, English ability, emmissions standards etc. I'll tell you. Rick Perry wants to be a right wing, Union AND environmental hero? Make I-35 northbound (and all parallel roads) one giant inspection stop. Weight, saftey, logbooks, etc. "No I don't sabe, that ain't in English, explain it to me. Oh, sorry, this scale only weighs in pounds. That'll be $500 please." ;D
FQ13 Who thinks if you're blaming this on either party you're an idiot. Ross was right. There IS a giant sucking sound.
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Do a google on the 'trans-texas corridor'. Superhighway from Mex to Canada!
Can anyone say North American Union?
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Do a google on the 'trans-texas corridor'. Superhighway from Mex to Canada!
Can anyone say North American Union?
Could live with it if WERE a North American union. News flash Mexico is part of South America in every way that matters. An EU type deal (that respected soveriegnty) with the hosers to the north MIGHT make sense. To include Mexico is suicide. Its why the doesn't want Turkey.
FQ13
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from article:
We will be announcing it very soon," U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told lawmakers.
Had to take a time out to sick the Chicago "thugs" on Toyota, now they can get back on track.
Can we slap duties on Mexican made goods. Volvo engines use Ford engine blocks, Asian wiring harness's, Swedish Technology, assembled in Mexico...than imported back to the States, where we buy them and make other countries rich.
All part of the "global initiative" I suppose....
Whatever happened to Made In America.... :'(
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No offense guys, but lets remember this was W's plan. Clinton signed NAFTA, W. "I know the ammbassador to Mexico" rammed this position through and now BO is stuck with it, unless he wants to man up and stop it. He doesn't, for the same resaon none of the others did, more money for corporations who save money on things like safe rigs, trained drivers, English ability, emmissions standards etc. I'll tell you. Rick Perry wants to be a right wing, Union AND environmental hero? Make I-35 northbound (and all parallel roads) one giant inspection stop. Weight, saftey, logbooks, etc. "No I don't sabe, that ain't in English, explain it to me. Oh, sorry, this scale only weighs in pounds. That'll be $500 please." ;D
FQ13 Who thinks if you're blaming this on either party you're an idiot. Ross was right. There IS a giant sucking sound.
So what. Obummer could prevent it, but he will not, so he is now guilty.
If you saw a mugger beat some one half to death would you go over and finish the job ?
What GWB did or did not do ceased to matter on 1-20-09, right then it ALL became Obummer's.
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By claiming national security, which wouldn't be a stretch in this matter, Pres. BHO could completely or partially seal the border instantly. He could stop this if he wished.
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Do a google on the 'trans-texas corridor'. Superhighway from Mex to Canada!
Can anyone say North American Union?
I was telling people about the trans-texas hwy a few yrs back and they all said I was crazy & it'll never happen along with the No. American Union. As for the Mexican truckers they do not meet the same requirments that U.S. truckers have to. They do not read, write or understand the english language. Some states give the DOT Class A drivers test in mexican (yes, mexican because it's different than spanish) so they can pass it! ???
A couple of yrs ago I responded to a semi-truck fire on the hwy with the rear trailer wheels on fire & it spread to the contents of the trailer. After putting out the fire we found out the truck driver didn't speak any english & was from Commie-fornia, he stated thru an interpeter that a buzzer had been going off in his cab & he didn't know what it meant or was so he kept driving. Turned out it was the low air warning buzzer for his trailer brakes, he kept going with his rear brakes trying to stop the vehicle which heated up and started the fire. So yes I do feel safe driving our highways with south of the border morons driving vehicles they don't know how to. What have we allowed our Great Country to become?