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Title: Gun Owners
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on January 21, 2008, 05:40:30 PM: Please excuse this post if this has already been brought up on a thread. I didn't go back and look through the archives.

I got this in an e-mail from a friend and I checked it out and I like the organization.
I am sure you all already know about it, but just in case there are a few who don't... here is the site link.
Does anyone know anything about it ..other than what is on their webpage?
It is obviously not as big as the NRA, but looks to me like it is still a good place for information.

http://www.gunowners.org/
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 22, 2008, 12:55:44 AM: They are a nation wide organization run by Larry Platt, Based on state organizations like GONH Gun owners of New Hampshire. They are kind of exitable, the "Veterans Disarmament Bill" they are talking about is the NICS improvement act. Their website is consistant in being about a month behind the news. Personaly I prefer Second Amendment Foundation, and JFPO. SAF has better information and JFPO is more fun.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: pioneer on January 22, 2008, 04:49:39 PM: GOA spends a lot of time and effort bashing the NRA, often times "stretching the truth." If they and NRA would work together for once, we'd be unbeatable.

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Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Hazcat on January 22, 2008, 04:56:53 PM: When have they (GOA) actually done anything other than bash the NRA and hyperventilate about things that they invent?
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 23, 2008, 12:56:18 AM: Thier state organizations aren't AS exitable, at least here in NH they were a force behind getting some good legislation passed which our scum liberal dem gov vetoed
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on January 23, 2008, 11:23:35 AM: Alrighty then............ that answers that. :)

This is just an afterthought and has nothing to do with this organization . .................(woman can do that you know.. jump from one thing to another and you all are supposed to automatically know to follow along) ;)

Can you imagine how powerful and strong we, as gun and 2nd amendment supporters would all be, if ALL the gun organizations and ALL the people for gun rights put aside their petty differences, put aside their greed for being in the limelight, and literally grow some balls to stand together as a "team"?
And be willing to stand and fight ( do whatever it takes) to win this battle?
As a powerful army and whole group ...
The strength of actually talking the talk and WALKING THE WALK would be unstoppable!
THEN, we would be living "United We Stand.....

Ok, speech over....
I'll go back in to the laundry room and start another load of clothes.. :P
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: DDMac on January 23, 2008, 02:22:17 PM: You do realize that you have already been nominated, in other threads, to actually participate as a Prime Mover in a new political strategy for our Nation? Ammo up, Madam. You are destined to be in the front rank. Godspeed. We are with you. Mac.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: jaybet on January 23, 2008, 02:24:08 PM: Quote from: Marshal'ette Halloway on January 23, 2008, 11:23:35 AM
Alrighty then............ that answers that. :)

This is just an afterthought and has nothing to do with this organization . .................(woman can do that you know.. jump from one thing to another and you all are supposed to automatically know to follow along) ;)

Can you imagine how powerful and strong we, as gun and 2nd amendment supporters would all be, if ALL the gun organizations and ALL the people for gun rights put aside their petty differences, put aside their greed for being in the limelight, and literally grow some balls to stand together as a "team"?
And be willing to stand and fight ( do whatever it takes) to win this battle?
As a powerful army and whole group ...
The strength of actually talking the talk and WALKING THE WALK would be unstoppable!
THEN, we would be living "United We Stand.....

Ok, speech over....
I'll go back in to the laundry room and start another load of clothes.. :P
You do laundry too??? AWW Marshall! What a woman!
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Outlaw on January 23, 2008, 02:43:45 PM: Hi All, Another good site is RMGO. Dudley Brown has the guts to talk to the heavies in Washington. Marshal'ette is absolutely right. We all need to pool our resources and do this together. Get all the gun owners, guys n gals with ccw's, everybody. We would probably be in the millions before it was all over with. Washington would have to listen to us. At least the a**holes running for President. There's only a couple of them worth a damn. One just dropped out and the other don't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected. He just don't fit in with the powers that be in D.C. Unfortunately it's just gonna be more of the same after election day. They all want our guns so we can be subjects instead of citizens. If in doubt, logon to RMGO.com and read the firearms facts section. There's some interesting stuff there. Statements right out of the politicians mouths.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 24, 2008, 01:14:04 AM: Outlaw goodluck, I'm trying (without success) to get 20 Thousand gun owning Voters on each state capitol Lawn on 4 July
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Outlaw on January 24, 2008, 06:24:08 PM: Well Tombogan, you might just have well picked the worst day of the year. 4 July.. If I were doing the pickin, I would have picked a day when almost every American in the country wasn't on vacation or planning a BBQ or just plain gettin drunk. Maybe Memorial Day or something like that. Even then, showing up on the Capitol steps on a holiday might possibly get a little media attention, but you would be doing it when all the politicians are at home. (Most of them are probably home the day before and the day after the holiday). I think the problem with getting people together has inherent difficulties built in: such as; Most people would rather someone else do it. Others, as in voting, think their vote or presence wouldn't matter. You'll never get more than a handful on a work day. It's all about the money. And the biggest problem of all I think; Most people, yes even gun owners,sit on their fat asses and wait until they read in the paper that one of their rights have been taken away and then say "They can't do that" or "Where the hell did that come from". Just look at the background checks at gunshows, no smoking in bars, etc. I've sat in bars and actually talked to people who had no frickin idea it was happening until they lit up a cigarette and the bar tender told them to take it outside. There's one thing about politicians/lawmakers people need to understand,They never sleep! They are constantly planning and looking for ways to bring attention to themselves or getting themselves in the limelight. It doesn't bother them one damn bit to tromp on your rights, i.e. Second Amendment rights in order to do it.

I'd love to see your plan come to fruition all over america. Maybe Washington would open their eyes a little. Best of luck to you. I'm certainly game. Hell, I'd take the day off to do it. This being the internet age and all, I think it would be better if all the people in america would send an email to all the politicians on the same day saying something like: YOU'VE GOT UNTIL ELECTION DAY TO START WORKING FOR US AND NOT YOUR OWN SORRY ASSES OR YOU CAN PACK YOUR TRASH AND GO HOME. YOUR FIRED!!!

Don't get me started!
J.C.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Capt2045 on January 24, 2008, 08:15:54 PM: The idea for march on capital steps sounds godd , not the best timing
Should our reps be there when we show them how strong we stand??? ???
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on January 24, 2008, 08:57:23 PM: I agree it's a great idea... but the date is horrible.
July 4th is a patriotic good timetable.. but realistic, most are with families and are already booked up. Rodeo's, family obligations, helping with the fireman's picnic is just a few of my yearly obligations at that time.
How many you actually got that will commit tombogan? And how many helpers you got from each state to get this word out?
And to follow through to see it through.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 25, 2008, 02:50:23 AM: I'm single, didn't think of the family stuff, I'm thrilled to finally get some reaction. I've suggested this a couple other places, NRA sent a "We're considering...Thanks for your input" letter.
For practical purposes it's probably better when those chiseling basta...Ahh people aren't there. less chance of some one provoking a problem.( In thier place it's what I would do) The point is the MEDIA spectacle. Rosie's million ahole march was 500 people filmed to make it look like many more. It doesn't matter were the pols. are at, they see 20 thousand people outside thier office on the local news, call thier liberal buddies in other states and find out it's the same there, They should START to get the message,IE" We are mad as hell and not going to take it any more"
Yes politicians never stop calculating, Here's a simple algebra calculation for them. (4.5 Million Police and military minus those not in the country and those who support US) < 45 million CURRENTLY law abiding gun owners = Politicians dangling like Mussilini.
I DID take into account that it is almost impossible to get LARGE numbers of people to turn out in Washington, Fuel costs, Travel hassles etc. I could not show up there as I don't have a car or the gas money to make the trip. HOWEVER, even broke people can get to thier state capitol, 20 thou times 50 states is 1 million people protesting govt opression all at the same time PLUS it simplifies organization by decentralizing it.
Look folks, I'm just one severely underpaid machine operator who owns some guns and reloading gear a computer and some clothes. (Divorce sux. But the bible says blessed be nothing right) can barely afford my range membership.
BUT AS LONG AS I CAN THINK, I MAY BE PUMMELED OR KILLED BUT NEVER DEFEATED We can only loose if we give up. I have a couple of Ideas,This one and the one about our own political party, THIS IS A CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT JUST LIKE MARTIN LUTHER KING LED. But I don't know how to promote it. I talk these things up , but I'm just one voice in the wilderness. We are EACH just "one vioce in the wilderness" Last week I was psyched, I got a letter published in the local paper defending concealed carry. This week the same paper carried a headline "Democratic tide rising in Belknap county" . NRA does not even have a coordinator in this district. I need contacts , suggestions, an ACTIVE network of EFFECTIVE people to work with. Some one with orginizational ability would be a god send. (typing skill would be nice to, I'm wearing off my trigger finger)
I know from a couple of other threads there are a bunch of you in North Dakota, You signed the concealed carry petition, You can work TOGETHER with others in your state. Other states must be the same.
Do any of you know what BOHICA* really stands for ? I do and I REFUSE ! I could go on for a LLOONNGG time on Ideas, talking points, and dirty tricks, (I could make Nixon jealous) but I want to organize ACTIONS not put you all to sleep, so I will close here. I'm waiting for Ideas.

*Bend Over, Here It Comes Again
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 25, 2008, 02:52:05 AM: Question for MB. Whats it take to start a blog, can you do it for free with a desk top pc and no computer skills beyond point and click?
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: gunman1911 on January 25, 2008, 09:41:56 AM: Quote from: tombogan03884 on January 24, 2008, 01:14:04 AM
Outlaw goodluck, I'm trying (without success) to get 20 Thousand gun owning Voters on each state capitol Lawn on 4 July

Where do we meet? I'll do my damedist to get the ball rolling, lets make put up or shut up, my family fought and spilled blood for this country so we could have our rights. So lets go and stick it in their face. Live free or die!
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: gunman1911 on January 25, 2008, 10:06:40 AM: Okay lets do it in all states but on the same day. I know I know about commitments and all that but stop for one minute, we have a commitment to our friends and family and generations to follow . Is one day to much to ask for something that we all are so passionate about,. Can we not sacrifice a rodeo or BBQ just once for our freedoms. If the revolution and the Boston tea party did not have the people with the guts to stand up for years you would not have this form, you would not have the right to express you opinions and you sure as hell would not have your firearms! Ok I'm off my soap box NOW GET ON YOURS! Sing it loud and sing it clear!
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on January 25, 2008, 11:17:39 AM: We need to pick a day that the bureaucrats are going to be IN THE OFFICES... and they will not be there on a national holiday
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Marshal Halloway on January 25, 2008, 11:18:09 AM: Quote from: tombogan03884 on January 25, 2008, 02:52:05 AM
Question for MB. Whats it take to start a blog, can you do it for free with a desk top pc and no computer skills beyond point and click?

Howdy!

You sure can. Here's a couple of options:

https://www.blogger.com/start

http://wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: gunman1911 on January 25, 2008, 12:51:29 PM: Ok we allagree this need to be done. lets see what we can do about getting the date and time well enough in advance to let others know. Maybe we can get MBto say somthing on Shooting gallery. that would really get the word out and I'll start by passing the word to every gun club and owner I know and tell thm to pass it on. maybe the wolf will know that the sheepdob is a commin.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Outlaw on January 25, 2008, 03:36:46 PM: Marshal'ette is still right! We need to get together as a group, all the gun related forums need to get together in some fashion to get the word out to the politicians about preserving our Second Amendment rights. Individually they already know this but as long as we contact them a handful at a time they're never gonna budge from their own self interests (disarming America). Believe me, I've met and spoke to some of these people. They add a whole new meaning to the term "Self Righteous". Just look at Rudi G. from New york. His ex-wife said it all. Quote "We divorced due to religious differences; He thought he was God and I didn't". The only way we can get them to come to terms is to hit them with a full volley. I think about a million of us could easily do the trick. There has to be at least that many of us if not more. We wouldn't even have to go to the Capitol steps. Just everyone at once send an email to thier respective politician. If nothing else, we could definately play hell with their servers handling all that mail. That would get their attention. If we didn't see some kind of immediate response, we go to plan B, march to the Capitol steps. We could even let the media know in advance about the emails and send them a like copy. Something has to work and it needs to be done before election time. Maybe the site Moderators could get together and figure something out. I'd be willing to help if I had a clue. ???
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 25, 2008, 08:22:58 PM: Marshal'ette, I have to point out that I would prefer to do it when they aren't there. I've got an 8th grade education and I already thought of provoking an incedent to discredit us. If I can think of that you bet your bottom dollar some of those Proffesional SOB's will think of it. (I'm just an SOB for fun, not profit :D )
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 25, 2008, 08:31:38 PM: Outlaw you have a great idea there with the mass e-mailing. The trick is we need a coordinated series of actions to keep our issues in the public eye. That was one of the tactics used by the OTHER civil rights movement. The average voter who doesn't make an effort to stay informed is the audiance we have to sway. Repitition ad nuaseum worked for the Blacks, The antiwar movement and the Gays. We need to keep hammering the point into Joe Sixpack's head that we have informed ourselves and we are not going to let the govt enslave us, or him.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 25, 2008, 10:57:21 PM: Thanx Marshal, I'm going to check out both links.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: gunman1911 on January 26, 2008, 04:39:53 PM: I just got done reading tombogam03884's blog at www.tombrogan03884.wordpress.com that he set up for this rally and it is there to inform people of this cause and you can leave comments so that way we can find out what is going to work best and also my hats off to tom for taking the time to kick this off . The more we send in our emails the better we are to show them the masses that they ( the fat cats) that we mean business and are serious about this issue . Its time to rally up, after all Tom and I are just a couple of little fellas trying get a nation wide rally formed and it is obvious that we are going to need more than this form to do it so please pass the word along . Also I think a petition to be singed at each state rally and submitted to our governing bodes would not hurt either. After all they can deny the individual but dare deny the masses?
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 26, 2008, 06:05:47 PM: Thankyou for the kind words gunman1911. I will take this chance to say that beyond being opinionated I don't have much of a clue what I'm doing , so suggestions are WELCOME
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Outlaw on January 26, 2008, 07:08:15 PM: I think it should begin with the individual site/organization managers/moderators (whatever) to get together and post it on their individual sites, then send it to all the other sites for co-ordination. (it's definately gonna take a co-ordinated effort on their part.) Draft a letter specific to our stand. I think the individual emails would hit home a lot harder. Then a specific time (probably Zulu time) for all individuals to send it at one time. I think the best time would probably be in the early evening, that way they would all get it first thing in the morning. Not on a Friday, Send it on a Sunday evening. Send it to all the states local media also. They'll all get it first thing Monday morning. They'll have all week to think about it and talk it over with one another. If we send it on Friday, they'll probably think we'll cool off by monday. Wrong The magic is going to be the numbers. We need tens of thousands from each state. Usually on each website there is a list of lpolitician contact email addresses from the bottom of the totem pole all the way to Bush himself. The emails need to go to all of them from the bottom up. No-one gets left out of the picture. We need to tell all the politicians what we want and that we want it by election time. We'll have to send followup letters every couple of months to let them know it wasn't just a bunch of BS. Each sender can contact their respective Moderator to inform them that they sent the email. That way we can get the total numbers and If Washington tries to downplay the total numbers (which I'm sure they will) we can send it again.

These are just a few of my own thoughts. Feel free to jump in and correct or suggest different strategies. How about a couple of Moderators dialing in with their thoughts? Thanx for listening.
J.C.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: gunman1911 on January 27, 2008, 10:45:06 AM: Sending all those emailes is a great idea. I've gone to two other forums and posted this plan and on one meet with alot of negitvity why - because they say the NRA and other organizations are there an if they wanted us to march they woiuld have done so and you have to do more than put a check in the mail, yes it is a good idea to let all these organizations know what we are trying to do and I'll try my dammedist to get them to listern but in my personal opinion they are not going to listen to just little o'le me in my tee shirt and blue jeans and the fact I have not made a movie yet, wwe need to bombard them with emails as well and let them know that were tired of watching the ball go noware and just waiting to be kicked. It is time we stood up Its time we said get the ball rolling on our side or you do not get the check its time hey got this issue done and over with our forefathers, fathers,uncles, cousens and brothers had spilled there blood for and I will not I repeat I WILL NOT let them down by just sending a check!
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Outlaw on January 27, 2008, 03:27:28 PM: I really hate to say it, but it seems like the NRA is comfortable taking your money and then cutting deals with the politicians. Every deal ends up being another tiny slice out of the pie for gun owners. It's pretty much a give and take senario. The politicians aren't going to do squat for gun owners unless gun owners give up a little. Well, soon fellow Americans our side of the pie will be gone. The NRA and all the other larger organizations need to know we're done cutting deals. It's the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States by God, and they're not authorized to slice it in any form or fashion. It don't take a freakin rocket scientist to understand the eighth grade level writing of that document. Besides, there's nothing that belonging to any of those organizations that says we can't act on our own. It appears the only time they act is when a bill or act is already written and sent forward and then we have to jump through our asses to try and salvage as much as we can of whatever they are taking away. Besides, it won't hurt any of the organizations if we let the politicians know just how strong we are. I really don't think they know. And for anyone at the head of the NRA or wherever to tell us to not rock the boat sounds a little fishy to me. But that's just my opinion. Opinions are like a**holes; everybody has one, some people are one.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Hazcat on January 27, 2008, 04:58:38 PM: Outlaw,

If you have read some of my other posts then you know I feel the same way.

I call it NO MORE. No more deals, no more voting for the lesser evil, no more support for politicians and organizations that don't support us 100%, no more be happy just to keep what we have, no more death by a thousand cuts. NO MORE!
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 27, 2008, 05:12:06 PM: The NRA is in the BUSINESS of LOBBYING, If we WIN out rightno compromise no BS then they are out of business.
It is not in the best interest of the NRA to acheive total victory.
However they ARE the largest pro 2A organization they have done outstanding work in training and preserving Americas firearms heritage,Safty traing and bring new shooters to the sport. While they may not be all WE could hope politicaly they constitute a fantastic resource for shooters nation wide
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Outlaw on January 27, 2008, 05:24:57 PM: I won't argue with you Tom. I may have been a bit harsh, true. Maybe it's the lobbying section that needs looking at. I agree the NRA has worked miracles with youth and associated programs. I didn't say they Suck, I just said they compromise, which I think needs to stop and stop now! There are way too many of us to compromise anything. I know there are huge problems with firearms in America and something needs to be done about it. However, the Politico's seem to think the only way to control it is to take guns away from law obiding citizens, i.e. ban this, ban that. Rudi G's answer in New York was take all he could. That's not the answer. They need to be educated by the NRA more than America's youth. The youth have common sense, they don't. Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes. I told you not to get me started.....
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 27, 2008, 11:33:29 PM: Roger that
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: gunman1911 on January 28, 2008, 09:09:51 AM: I guess we all agree that we need to have just what were talking about happen and that we need to let or side of the lobbyist i.e. NRA and other organizations know just what we are going to do, I have wrote other post on other forums and got mostly negative feed Back from people who just think that sending out a check will cover the a#$. I think they need to pull their heads out and listen for the pop before its to late. They need to look hard at what has happened in Australia and England it has turned into a state of the criminals got mine you have nothing so now its mine to, also the corruption that went with it as in once turned in firearms being turned in again. I have the backing of of a lot of shooters and just plian ole well I got grandpa's ole hunting rifle but I do want to keep it, also contacted my buddy that I use to soot with at Livingston gun club and he has contacted numerous other people and is trying to contact the prior president of the club( Pat Sweeney) who now writes books and also for a couple of gun rags. I guess what I finally getting act and I hope I haven't bored you is that WE need to do something (like he emails and march) an it needs to be soon. We need to let all of the organizations know that we are not going to accept just bits a pieces whittle down our rights. And I've even hinted that maybe Mr. Baine mention this on Shooting Gallery so as you see i am serious.
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: Outlaw on January 28, 2008, 10:22:38 AM: Press on Gunman!
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: gunman1911 on January 29, 2008, 05:56:37 PM: Yes I will on another site people there are not grasping the idea of just what we are trying to accomplish here someone stated " I live near DC and see protesters out there every day and nobody pays attention to them" with no numbers who will listen ?someone actually compared what w are trying to accomplish to the KKK rally on DC that had no numbers and gee look who it was protesting -- TERROIST! WE are law aboding citizens that are concerned about our rights and we need to have the people stand up collectively on the same day and speak out and to let the Antis know that we are not the radicals or criminals that the purport us to be, we are against the criminals we support law enforcement officers and the job they do, but as they say w can't be everywhere at once. Look at 911 at those brave citizens that sacrificed their lives to save others, this type of hero happens everyday thruout the U.S. and all we see from the media is the bad . Ton Brogan and I are just a couple of working stiffs that are trying hard to accomplish at very large task HE has set up a blog at www.tombogan03884.worldpress.com I feel that is a very noble thing that Tom has done and my hats off to him, I myself have talked to many gun owners about not only this issue but about the march as well and have received a lot of support, example: I was in WalMarts getting some film developed this very morning and while waiting I went to see if the new issue of American Handgunner was out and yep there it was ,as it was still slow I went to the express lane where the was a young lady and she made a comment about how she liked the new S&W revolver on the cover I said you shoot and she replied I just started to and you can just guess what I started to talk about! and not 2 minutes later her and her boyfriend want to join the march and the shooting club I belong to, So as you see its not hard to get people who really want their freedoms to listen to you sometimes all you have to do is buy a great magazine! So come on join me and Tom on this worthy cause after all, all you have to loose is you freedom, Ask any Jewish person over 60 how the Nazis started there campaign in the 1930's GUN CONTROL!
Title: Re: Gun Owners
Post by: gunman1911 on January 31, 2008, 08:07:50 PM: As of today I am still working on notifying the masses of this proposed march the state capitals, I had sent a email to Roy Huntington Editor of American Handgunner magazine and asked him what his thoughts were on this subject and he replied that he thinks this a good idea and so I emailed him back and very humbly asked him to mention this to the many fine readers. I will let you know what his replies (if any) will be. I will keep you posted.