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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Ichiban on May 14, 2010, 08:34:02 AM
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It looks to me like the Russians have a good idea.
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018675219 (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018675219)
Russian Authorities: Freed Somali Pirates Likely Dead
Ayinde O. Chase - AHN News Editor
Moscow, Russian Federation (AHN) - Russian authorities say the group of freed Somali pirates who hijacked an oil tanker are likely dead. The pirates originally captured by the Russian navy were released in an inflatable boat in open seas with no navigational equipment hundreds of miles from shore.
"According to the latest information, the pirates who seized the Moscow University oil tanker failed to reach the shore. Evidently, they have all died," the high-ranking source was quoted as saying by all Russia's official news agencies.
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It looks to me like the Russians have a good idea.
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018675219 (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018675219)
Russian Authorities: Freed Somali Pirates Likely Dead
Ayinde O. Chase - AHN News Editor
Moscow, Russian Federation (AHN) - Russian authorities say the group of freed Somali pirates who hijacked an oil tanker are likely dead. The pirates originally captured by the Russian navy were released in an inflatable boat in open seas with no navigational equipment hundreds of miles from shore.
"According to the latest information, the pirates who seized the Moscow University oil tanker failed to reach the shore. Evidently, they have all died," the high-ranking source was quoted as saying by all Russia's official news agencies.
Translation - we killed the effers, set their bodies adrift in a leaking inflatable and have slept just fine ever since, thank you for asking.
Sometimes the Russkie way is an effective way, like the events in Lebanon in the 80's when a couple of Ruskkies were kidnapped. The Russkies captured the imam's on, killed him, stuffed his genitals in his mouth, and sent him back to Daddy. The Ruskies were released unharmed the next day IIRC.
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We will see how effective their approach is by how long before another Russian ship is attacked.
I bet it will be awhile once word gets out.
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They were "released in an inflatable boat hundreds of miles off shore" :o :o :o? Gee, didn't they get water wings to help them swim with the free chain they were given? Beria would have been proud. ;D Why didn't W or BO (along with the rest of the world) figure this out? Its the only way to discourage these people. I mean seriously, we have allowed a bunch of goat herders without a pot to piss in disrupt global commerce and extort more in ransom than the vilages they sailed from are worth. Why?
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Their way didn't work so good when they killed all those civilians by gassing the theatre they were held in. Saw a documentary on it. What a useless waste of human life that was.
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Their way didn't work so good when they killed all those civilians by gassing the theatre they were held in. Saw a documentary on it. What a useless waste of human life that was.
What do you expect from people who deploy armor and artillery in hostage situations ?
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The Russians have never, not since the days of the tsar been noted for precision and subtelty in military affairs. They've also never been noted for any concern at all about collateral damage. What they're good at is giving conscripts good durable weapons, maintaining iron discipline in the ranks, and making people wish they'd never messed with Russia.
FQ13
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But they've only won two wars in the last hundred years, and one of those was a rematch after they got thrashed by Finland.
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But they've only won two wars in the last hundred years, and one of those was a rematch after they got thrashed by Finland.
Yep, but is anyone ever glad they won a war with Russia, or do they just wish it had never happened? ;)
FQ13
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The Japanese were pretty happy in 1905, and Afghanistan was much more advanced when they left, I don't know about the others.
Oh, I forgot their glorious campaign against mighty Georgia and their 200 tanks. ::)
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Capt. of the ship, IS THE LAW, in Int. Waters. Pirates captured, tried on deck, any last requests before we proceed?
Seems handled well enough, seems the Capt. just "let them go" in the right area.... ::)
from article:
Medvedev called the raid "sharp, professional and quick" and has ordered medals for all those involved in the rescue.
;D
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Capt. of the ship, IS THE LAW, in Int. Waters. Pirates captured, tried on deck, any last requests before we proceed?
Seems handled well enough, seems the Capt. just "let them go" in the right area.... ::)
from article:
Medvedev called the raid "sharp, professional and quick" and has ordered medals for all those involved in the rescue.
;D
sounds right... too bad our 'prez' thinks differently. 'he' has ordered that shipping companies working to retrieve their crews by paying ransom will be prosecuted. what an .....ASS !!!! if I ever have the misfortune of being attacked by pirates I WILL do all in my power to kill the bastards! made a knife (nice one too) this trip from an old file. sharp and hardened almost to brittleness. ;D coworker was aboard a ship that was attacked recently, and most of the crew ran around like little school girls trying to find a place to hide. (most were liberals, for those of you that can't put two and two together). anyway, our 'gummint' has left the maritime industry out at sea to fend for themselves, without ANY protection! ou yeah, if you try to help get 'AMERICAN CITIZENS' back from the pirates you are now a criminal.
http://www.amo-union.net/article.php?a=725
Inter-agency meeting on ransom payments in piracy cases leaves maritime interests with more questions than answers
An inter-agency meeting April 16 raised more questions than it answered about the President's recent Executive Order intended to block U.S.-based financial support to terrorists, insurgents and pirates in Somalia.
The meeting, chaired in Washington by the U.S. Coast Guard, was to have clarified the intent of the Executive Order with respect to the payment of ransom to Somali pirates by the owner of a U.S.-flagged ship hijacked in the Gulf of Aden or the Indian Ocean off the African coast.
The Executive Order did not say so explicitly, but the clear implication was that the payment of ransom to pirates by a U.S. vessel owner seeking the safe release of the ship's officers and crew and the return of the vessel and its cargo could open the ship owner to criminal prosecution on federal charges.
"The Justice Department did not participate in the meeting," said American Maritime Officers National Vice President at Large Mike Murphy, who represented AMO in the meeting. "The State Department was represented, and so was the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control, but no one from Justice was on hand to answer questions and explain the specific circumstances under which ransom payments by U.S. maritime interests would result in federal criminal charges.
"The outcome was that, if a U.S. merchant ship is seized by Somali pirates, the owner of the ship would have to know before paying ransom that the money would not go to specific individuals or organizations known to be behind the lawlessness and instability in Somalia," Murphy continued. "No one in the administration has explained how a ship owner is supposed to do that with any certainty."
Murphy outlined what he called "a vague procedure" to be followed by U.S. owners whose ships fall victim to piracy off the Horn of Africa.
"The ship owner would have to first notify the Coast Guard that a vessel has been seized, and an inter-agency panel would then attempt to determine if the pirates involved are on the list of known terrorists and insurgents," he explained. "If the pirates are not connected to the listed individuals or organizations, the payment of ransom would be permitted. If the pirates are known to be linked to terrorists or rebels, the payment of ransom would be prohibited. It is in fact a case-by-case situation rife with uncertainty."
AMO National President Tom Bethel also commented on the issue. "With no federal force protection for U.S. ships and crews, with piracy attacks increasing and growing more sophisticated, and with regional risk expanding, U.S. merchant ships are more vulnerable than ever to seizure - and American merchant mariners are more vulnerable than ever to captivity by pirates who may or may not be associated with or inspired by terrorists, or who may simply be common thugs committing crimes of opportunity," Bethel said.
"Unfortunately, the President's Executive Order jeopardizes what was in fact a 'last resort' response in the event U.S. merchant mariners are held hostage in Somalia," he added. "No one in our union wants U.S. money going to terrorists or criminals in Somalia or anywhere else - intentionally or inadvertently. No one in AMO disputes the intent of the President's Executive Order or his declaration of 'a national emergency.' But no one here wants American merchant mariners to suffer needless injury or death." Bethel called on the administration to "clarify this issue in a substantial and specific way before it becomes - literally - a matter of life or death."
this was published just a few weeks ago. it's enough to make you puke!
deepwater
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I say we cut of thier head, then send then back ashore... and I'm not talking about the head that can use logic.
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I say we cut of thier head, then send then back ashore... and I'm not talking about the head that can use logic.
cut it off? or hang 'em from it? it would come off pretty darn quick that way too I'm sure, just a little more traumatizing. ;D
deepwater