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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: aeelinehand on May 16, 2010, 10:43:45 AM
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how about putting a demo on your show on how to defend against a dog attack. loose aggresive dogs seem to becoming a bigger problem in america and not every one can carry a gun.
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That's for true, lots and lots of feral dogs running around in Austin and nearby. My plan is not that good. My ass ain't out running them that's for sure.
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If you run you only make it worse. Prey Drive kicks in, and they'll chase you. With an already aggressive dog, running won't help.
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If you run you only make it worse. Prey Drive kicks in, and they'll chase you. With an already aggressive dog, running won't help.
I walk at night in a fairly wildlife heavy area, deer, feral hogs, dogs, and smaller critters. If they get territorial, deer and hogs do like crazy around here, then I just return what ever grunt or huff and puff, except twice as loud. That's been my technique for avoiding any physical confrontation, its worked so far. I'm not sure how that would play out with an aggressive dog though, could be desperate or sick...get your plunging knife ready, get the dog off its feet, and figure out where to go from there.
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Growling back is a good tactic...might not do as well with a pack of dogs...focus on the leader.
I've heard that s squirt gun filled with ammonia might do a good job. A squirt in the face will take some of the fight out of a dog, and you have multiple quick shots.
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Walking with my husky in rural New York State I was put upon by 4 pit bull mix dogs in the woods. I normally carry a handgun, but on this day I was unarmed. Picked up a twig and swung it at the dogs, they were wary but not really afraid. My husky and I walked backwards to the house, about 100 yards, never showing our backs to the pack of dogs. When any of the pit bulls got close, my husky lunged, and I gave one a swift kick directly to the chest. Got into the house and got my shotgun, but by then they took off (sixth sense that I would have killed them?). My husky had a cut under his chin, about 35 stiches, that I didn't notice until we got back into the house. Now I never walk in the woods without my pepper spray, and usually I carry my Springfield XD .45 too! Real hero was my husky, named Harley, who is in heaven now. If I didn't have him, I'm sure the 4 dogs would have gone after me, and I probably would be here today if even one of them knocked me off my feet.
This is a big problem, probably the most danger, anyone will run into in the woods.
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The Funeral Procession
A man was leaving a convenience store with his morning coffee when he noticed a most unusual funeral procession approaching the nearby cemetery.
A long black hearse was followed by a second long black hearse about 50 feet behind the first one.
Behind the second hearse was a solitary man walking a dog on a leash.
Behind him, a short distance back, were about 200 men walking single file.
The man couldn't stand the curiosity. He respectfully approached the man walking the dog and said, 'I am so sorry for your loss, and this may be a bad time to disturb you, but I've never seen a funeral like this.
Whose funeral i s it?'
'My wife's.
''What happened to her?'
The man replied, 'My dog attacked and killed her'
He inquired further, 'But who is in the second hearse?'
The man answered, 'My mother-in-law. She was trying to help my wife when the dog turned on her.'
A poignant and thoughtful moment of silence passed between the two men.
'Can I borrow the dog?'
The man replied, 'Get in line.'
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We have a lot of walking and strolling neighbors in our hood, 75% of them carry stout sticks or canes, notice a lot of fanny packs too. I also once used pepper spray to good use on a full grown rotweiler that had my cat cornered under a car in my driveway, one shot into his face was enough to send him packing, he sneezed once, buried his nose in the dirt, shook it a couple times and then hauled back to his casa pronto.
Funny thing is, my 2 basenjis were chewing on weak boards in the fence to make a hole to escape, so I pepper sprayed the boards they were chewing real good, did not slow them down a bit. This was Olio Capsicum, and the good stuff. They eat my Jalapeno dip with gusto.
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Ive stopped a charging dog in its tracks with a loud aggressive "No! No! No!" (Hand going for the 26, but never drew). Most neighborhood dogs are 95% controllable through stern commands and aggressive posture..... true ferel or rabid dogs are a different story. I suggest using those aggressive commands as early as possible before they can close the distance, and then if that does not work all bets are off.
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We have a lot of walking and strolling neighbors in our hood, 75% of them carry stout sticks or canes, notice a lot of fanny packs too. I also once used pepper spray to good use on a full grown rotweiler that had my cat cornered under a car in my driveway, one shot into his face was enough to send him packing, he sneezed once, buried his nose in the dirt, shook it a couple times and then hauled back to his casa pronto.
Funny thing is, my 2 basenjis were chewing on weak boards in the fence to make a hole to escape, so I pepper sprayed the boards they were chewing real good, did not slow them down a bit. This was Olio Capsicum, and the good stuff. They eat my Jalapeno dip with gusto.
I'd check the date on that pepper spray. In neither case did it work as it should. I was going to AK and enguired about bear issuses if I cached some supplies a few years back. I was warned not to pepper spray the rock pile. Reason being that as the capsacium degrades it turns sweet and bears will actually come and lick it up. Sounds like your stuff might have just gotten old. Just a theory.
FQ13
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how about putting a demo on your show on how to defend against a dog attack. loose aggresive dogs seem to becoming a bigger problem in america and not every one can carry a gun.
Good idea for a show.
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FOX OC will stop a dog dead in their tracks.
One of my coworkers jogs and was chased by the same dog snapping at her heels. I gave her a can and she hosed the mutt off.
Now when she jogs by the house the dog runs up on the porch and watches her go by.
It also does a pretty good job on drunks. ;D
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FOX OC will stop a dog dead in their tracks.
One of my coworkers jogs and was chased by the same dog snapping at her heels. I gave her a can and she hosed the mutt off.
Now when she jogs by the house the dog runs up on the porch and watches her go by.
It also does a pretty good job on drunks. ;D
She had drunks nipping at her heels when she jogs too?
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She had drunks nipping at her heels when she jogs too?
Man I hate that! Some of them are fast too. You just have to run a slalom and they weave off the sidewalk. ;D
FQ13
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She had drunks nipping at her heels when she jogs too?
Don't thing think she was jogging but thier unwanted advances were "nipped in the bud".
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One problem I see with a spray is that it could have an effect on you if the wind were to change direction and get the agent in your eyes or mucous membranes. Then you would be dealing with tears and snot along with four legged animal with sharp teeth.
Read an article last night in one of the gun magazines I subscribe to about what size of a round to take out a canine. There was a comment in the article about how a .40 S&W round did not take the animal out and how a .45 ACP would do a better job. Find it interesting that the Governor of Texas could take a coyote out with a Ruger .380. Proof that things do not alway have to be bigger to be better in Texas. Just make sure you are a good shot!!! ;)
Just my two bits on here since I have been absent for a while.
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A few years ago, we had three Pitbulls in a livestock pen on a killing spree. I killed all three with a S&W Mod. 36 loaded with 125 gr. Silvertips. One shot each.
Last year, my family and I were out walking the block (1.1 miles) in our rural neighborhood. At one house, a pit bull and a blue heeler came out and tried to attack our dog (Black Mouth Cur) while he was on a leash. I smacked the Pit in the face with the walking stick I carried, and he took off running with the other dog kiyi-ing right along behind them. The bonehead owner just stood there watching the whole time saying/doing nothing.
To hit a dog and keep him from dodging the blow, swing in a horizontal manner once he is close or charging. He can't avoid the impact as easily.
My sister and neice had the same problem in their neighborhood. I gave them some polished walking staffs, and they seem to do the trick, as the dogs stay away now.
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Squirt gun filled with ammonia works well, too. Ask any old motorcycle rider. ;)
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Since I don't drive and live in a low crime area, dogs are the most likely threat I face.
I refer to my Kel Tec as "The Puppy popper" since I expect if I use it, it will be with my right hand while Fido dangles off the left arm I'll feed him/ her.
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Squirt gun filled with ammonia works well, too. Ask any old motorcycle rider. ;)
Wish I had said that ;D ;D ;D
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I did some training with MP working dogs years ago while in the Army and they told me that if you do get bit on the arm by a dog you should jerk your arm up and down and you could possibly break the dogs neck. I am not so sure how effective that would be. They suggested a stun gun or easily opened pocket knife because most of the time command prescence will drive most dogs off but if not you need something that you can use while it is attached to your arm. That is part of the reason I am getting a concealed carry permit and then acouple of Ruger LCR's to put in my pockets on a bike ride or walk.
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I would think jerking your arm would cause plenty of extra damage to your arm.
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I haven't had the need to try this, but an old USAF guard dog trainer told me that the best thing to do when attacked by a single dog is to feed him an arm then raise it high enough to expose the dog's neck, then start punching the neck with the free hand. Not advising this, and I carry CCW so this tactic isn't needed.
jim
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a stick works great. i broke a fiberglass roller handle extention over aggresive pit. i don't know if i killed it or not, but it couldn't walk strait afterwards.
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In the last year, we had an middle aged women killed by a pack of dogs while walking here in the SE. An hour or so later her husband went to find out why she hadn't returned and came upon the dogs tearing at her carcass. He got out and was also killed by the pack.
I carry every morning to get the paper and every afternoon to get the mail.....not to mention anytime I go walking or bicycling.
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This post is a recurring one, but an important one for those that have dogs feral or loose. As a dog attack survivor (there was two),
any and all means of defense is better than bare hands and feet. Knives, OC spray, baseball bats, golf clubs, walking sticks, pistols, whatever,....will help.
But bear in mind YOUR STATE OF MIND is paramount to reducing the severity of your injuries. If a dog(s) decides to attack, they only attack one way: FULL BORE!. They will "test" your response to the initial attack, and know very quickly if they think they can take you down.
Some will keep coming, even if injured, some will scurry away, if your response is EQUAL to theirs.
Swift and blinding violent blows, if you have no firearm, and don't stop shooting after one round, if armed.
I stabbed my attacking dog twice right behind the front left leg with a small Buck pocket knife, as I instinctively defended my face and neck. (left handed),. The second dog didn't have the "balls" of the other one, a commanding pissed off demeanor, a kick and charge ran them both off.
Had I been armed, I would have shot both, without hesitation.
Dogs, at that level, even "family friendly breeds" are no joke in a pack, or feral situation.
Like the Boy Scout motto:
Be Prepared.
just my personal .02cents.
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This post is a recurring one, but an important one for those that have dogs feral or loose. As a dog attack survivor (there was two),
any and all means of defense is better than bare hands and feet. Knives, OC spray, baseball bats, golf clubs, walking sticks, pistols, whatever,....will help.
But bear in mind YOUR STATE OF MIND is paramount to reducing the severity of your injuries. If a dog(s) decides to attack, they only attack one way: FULL BORE!. They will "test" your response to the initial attack, and know very quickly if they think they can take you down.
Some will keep coming, even if injured, some will scurry away, if your response is EQUAL to theirs.
Swift and blinding violent blows, if you have no firearm, and don't stop shooting after one round, if armed.
I stabbed my attacking dog twice right behind the front left leg with a small Buck pocket knife, as I instinctively defended my face and neck. (left handed),. The second dog didn't have the "balls" of the other one, a commanding pissed off demeanor, a kick and charge ran them both off.
Had I been armed, I would have shot both, without hesitation.
Dogs, at that level, even "family friendly breeds" are no joke in a pack, or feral situation.
Like the Boy Scout motto:
Be Prepared.
just my personal .02cents.
Its worth at least .5 cents! Seriously, just shoot first and be prepared to write a check. I am also loving my new (to me) spyderco delica. Clipped in my front pocket, I can feed fido my arm and draw and open with one hand. The dog is over with.
FQ13 who is thinking that a brass knobbed "cane" might be a good investment.
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Couple of videos of the Cold Steel walking sticks in action.
http://www.coldsteel.com/citystick.html
http://www.coldsteel.com/irishblackthorn.html
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Its worth at least .5 cents! Seriously, just shoot first and be prepared to write a check. I am also loving my new (to me) spyderco delica. Clipped in my front pocket, I can feed fido my arm and draw and open with one hand. The dog is over with.
FQ13 who is thinking that a brass knobbed "cane" might be a good investment.
Not a bad Idea, but you can make one yourself that will be far more "you" rather than "off the Rack"
I used a piece of Oak 2X2 from Home Depot ( I didn't want to cut a whole tree ) Then I used a Spoke shave, and Rasps to take it down to a comfortable, but stout diameter.
Originally it was about 5 feet long, on the head I inletted it and fitted a 1 1/2 inch Diameter brass pipe fitting that I sanded down flush. unfortunately it was to long to fit in the car so I cut it down to about 3 1/2 feet. but it still has the .50 cal round for a tip.
1 inch diameter USMC emblem inset in head
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Full length view
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.50 cal round for tip
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I was told to snap the legs, as most breeds have weak joints in the ankles and knees. Feeding them your weak hand and sticking it as far down their throat as possible also works well. Some breeds will fight on regardless, weapons much even the odds.
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I was told to snap the legs, as most breeds have weak joints in the ankles and knees. Feeding them your weak hand and sticking it as far down their throat as possible also works well. Some breeds will fight on regardless, weapons much even the odds.
A dog used to give me trouble on my paper route. A guy who said he trained dobermans in the army told me when ti went to bite to shove my hand as far into it's mouth as I could and grab it's lower jaw and I would be able to control it with that leverage.
My thought was, Gosh, I been doing it wrong, I been trying to keep my body parts out of it's mouth.
Never tried it, but started keeping a few extra papers in my bag so I could swing it at aggressive dogs. Worked to keep them at bay.
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Had a yard crapper come after me a month ago. Face full of peppers spray turned a 90 pound pissed off hairball of teeth and nasty attitude into a cowering wet himself under the porch softy.
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As most of you know I work for a railroad as a thru freight Engineer. When I was a conductor, at any time I would be required to walk the length of the train which could be as long as 9000' and in some of the most rural area of the country. It wasn't unusual to walk up on any kind of wildlife including feral dogs. One of our solutions to deal with most any kind of threat was Road Flares. Of course the ones we have are industrial strength and last for 10 minutes, but I would expect that most flares would do the trick. Pop a flare off in anythings face and they will run for greener pastors. You do have to keep in mind that during fall/winter seasons this can and will start a forest fire if not careful. As we are not allowed to carry anything larger than a 3" pocket knife and a walking stick/staff is too big to carry on and off each train, these are great as we can stick a few in our back pocket.
Cutter
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Bet that would work. The ones I got for free from sympathetic Brakemen 40 years ago, also had a very hot but white liquid that could be slung in a horizontal manner that would discourage anyone or anything standing too close.
jim