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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: david86440 on May 21, 2010, 08:32:43 PM
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Last night my wife was sitting in bed reading when she yelled out to me that she heard shots fired nearby and then we heard sirens coming from all directions...........We are hearing several different stories as to what exactly went down. The shots were fired around 10:20pm. The census worker says she showed up at 5 in one report, 8:15 in another, but it was after 9:00pm when she was in the neighborhood.
http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/family-95100-city-woman.html
YUBA CITY, CA - Following a confrontation with a U.S. Census worker, two officers shot and killed a woman who was armed with a shotgun and who refused to drop her weapon, according to the Yuba City Police Department.
The Sutter County Coroner's Office identified the woman as Victoria Helen Roger-Vasselin, 67, of Yuba City.
According to Yuba City police spokeswoman Shawna Pavey, officers also arrested Yuba City resident Lionel Patterson, 51, in connection with the incident.
Pavey said the census worker was at a home on Mariner Circle after 5 p.m. Thursday when the residents aimed a firearm at her.
When officers arrived at the home, they said they were approached by the man holding a handgun. Pavey said as the officers were dealing with him, Roger-Vasselin came to the door with a shotgun.
Officers asked her to drop the weapon but she continued to advance on them, according to Pavey.
Two officers said Roger-Vasselin was pointing the shotgun in a threatening manner when they fired their weapons at her.
"I think she reacted to Ronnie (Patterson) being thrown on the ground," said Roger-Vasselin's son. "I don't think she really knew what was going on. I think she was disoriented. It was dark, it was late."
The son said his mom was still inside when she was hit.
"I think, I think the rookie cop panicked and made a really bad decision. Again, she may be a good cop but good cops make bad decisions," he said.
Pavey said Roger-Vasselin was pronounced dead at the scene.
Census spokesman Sonny Le said door-to-door census workers are instructed to visit homes late in the afternoon, evenings and weekends when most people are home. He said the rule of thumb is 8 in the evening.
Le said the census worker was upset and took some time to compose herself before calling her supervisor in Fairfield who in turn contacted Yuba police.
The two officers involved in the shooting have been placed on administrative leave as the department investigates the incident.
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yuba city, Any bets on rather or not meth was envoled?
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What is so hard to understand about "don't have a gun in your hand when there are cops present?" You lose every time.
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Following a confrontation with a U.S. Census worker, two officers shot and killed a woman who was armed with a shotgun and who refused to drop her weapon,
The Sutter County Coroner's Office identified the woman as Victoria Helen Roger-Vasselin, 67,
67 ? WTF ?
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Following a confrontation with a U.S. Census worker, two officers shot and killed a woman who was armed with a shotgun and who refused to drop her weapon,
The Sutter County Coroner's Office identified the woman as Victoria Helen Roger-Vasselin, 67,
67 ? WTF ?
I have no idea what went down, or who is at fault. I do know two things.
1, As Itchiban said, once the cops are there, don't be holding a gun.
2, If she had a shot gun and didn't drop it, I don't care how old she was. 2 headlines. Cop shoots 67 year old. Cop shot by 67 year old. Pick one. ;)
FQ13
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I have no idea what went down, or who is at fault. I do know two things.
1, As Itchiban said, once the cops are there, don't be holding a gun.
2, If she had a shot gun and didn't drop it, I don't care how old she was. 2 headlines. Cop shoots 67 year old. Cop shot by 67 year old. Pick one. ;)
FQ13
Bingo........well said FQ.
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FQ you hit the nail on the head with that statement.
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I have no idea what went down, or who is at fault. I do know two things.
1, As Itchiban said, once the cops are there, don't be holding a gun.
2, If she had a shot gun and didn't drop it, I don't care how old she was. 2 headlines. Cop shoots 67 year old. Cop shot by 67 year old. Pick one. ;)
FQ13
so becuase they are a cop it makes thier life worth more?
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One may want to examine why an individual felt the need to draw a gun on a census taker in the first place, then have another family member follow-up with a shot gun. I think, perhaps, there are some issues going on there.
As far as a policeman's life being worth more than anyone else, police unfortunately face the danger of losing their lives on a daily basis and are forced to make split second decisions in order to assure they return to their families each night. If anyone here can honestly say that in the same situation they would simply keep repeating "drop the gun" as the assailant advanced on them with no sign of stopping and until they were shot themselves...........then I call BULL$HIT on that.
On a similar note, several leftist politicians in the New York State Assembly have actually put forth and are attempting to advance a bill to force NYPD officers to "Shoot to Injure" where an officer should try to shoot at a limb to incapacitate a person trying to kill them............... I kid you not. Maybe an officer should forget about aiming at an arm or leg and simply shoot an assailant in the fingers so he drops his weapon? ::)
You can't make it up........this coming from the same people who recently named a street in Queens, "Sean Bell Way"...... after a piece of crap criminal drug dealer who attempted to run down several NYC detectives with his car and would be serving 25 to life if he had lived. The street should have been named "Perp Place" to truly "honor" this legend, Sure enough, however, the spineless politicians of NYC, whose primary objective is 100% political correctness at all times, caved to the likes of that bastion of credibility and moral ethics, the Reverend Al Sharpton and the grieving family members of this legendary criminal. Next stop for the bereaved..........civil court and pay day.
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If your going to get shot by the cops you should at least do something worth getting shot for!
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One may want to examine why an individual felt the need to draw a gun on a census taker in the first place, then have another family member follow-up with a shot gun. I think, perhaps, there are some issues going on there.
As far as a policeman's life being worth more than anyone else, police unfortunately face the danger of losing their lives on a daily basis and are forced to make split second decisions in order to assure they return to their families each night. If anyone here can honestly say that in the same situation they would simply keep repeating "drop the gun" as the assailant advanced on them with no sign of stopping and until they were shot themselves...........then I call BULL$HIT on that.
On a similar note, several leftist politicians in the New York State Assembly have actually put forth and are attempting to advance a bill to force NYPD officers to "Shoot to Injure" where an officer should try to shoot at a limb to incapacitate a person trying to kill them............... I kid you not. Maybe an officer should forget about aiming at an arm or leg and simply shoot an assailant in the fingers so he drops his weapon? ::)
You can't make it up........this coming from the same people who recently named a street in Queens, "Sean Bell Way"...... after a piece of crap criminal drug dealer who attempted to run down several NYC detectives with his car and would be serving 25 to life if he had lived. The street should have been named "Perp Place" to truly "honor" this legend, Sure enough, however, the spineless politicians of NYC, whose primary objective is 100% political correctness at all times, caved to the likes of that bastion of credibility and moral ethics, the Reverend Al Sharpton and the grieving family members of this legendary criminal. Next stop for the bereaved..........civil court and pay day.
From what I have seen so far we do not know that the Kid did not grab his pistol and run to back up Granny, Reason I say this is because HE was not the one who got shot.
As for TAB's comment,
so becuase they are a cop it makes thier life worth more?
I've finally found a way to phrase the idea I've had for a while.
The "cop" represents all of us in this case, He works, pays taxes, votes, and generally contributes to society as a positive influence.
The criminal is a drain on society does not pay taxes on his profits, preys on those of us who do, and has a negative influence on society.
Therefor yes, the cops life is of much higher value than that of the criminal.
What is so hard to understand about "don't have a gun in your hand when there are cops present?" You lose every time.[/b][/color][/size]
Bingo........well said FQ.
I have no idea what went down, or who is at fault. I do know two things.
1, As Itchiban said, once the cops are there, don't be holding a gun.
2, If she had a shot gun and didn't drop it, I don't care how old she was. 2 headlines. Cop shoots 67 year old. Cop shot by 67 year old. Pick one. ;)
FQ13
I'll grant you that, but it still sounds like they blew away Granny Clampett. ;D
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This is a news report from today on what her son is saying.
Her blood was inside the house. The cops are saying they shot her when she advanced on them outside the home........
It's 15 steps from the bedroom to the front door of the Yuba City home where Victoria Helen Roger-Vasselin lived and where she died when police shot and killed her.
The 67-year-old woman, unclothed, took those final steps from her bedroom to the front door the night of May 20.
Her sons, Christian and Matthew Biscotti, say she didn't have to die.
Police, told that a census worker faced a firearm when going to the home in the upscale Mariner Loop neighborhood earlier that evening, could have done many things, they said.
They could have called the phone that was in their mother's bedroom, the sons said. Officers could have used a bullhorn to alert Roger-Vasselin and her fiance, Lionel Craig Patterson, 51, that police wanted to ask them about the events of that evening, they said. Law enforcement could have lit up the house so that their mother would have known police were at her front door that night, the two men said.
"There are 1,000 things Yuba City police could have done to bring life," Christian Biscotti, 41, said last week in an interview. "They chose the one decision to bring death."
"Mom was gunned down in her home," Biscotti said. "These cops made a mistake."
Police parked their cars down the street and then attacked the home, he said. Matthew Biscotti, 43, likened what the police did to a military action.
"It's unbelievable," he said.
"The city that she loved killed her," Matthew Biscotti said.
And then, the sons said, police took hours to tell the family what had happened after the shooting. Christian and Matthew Biscotti said they believed their mother might still be alive when they arrived at her home after learning of the shooting.
Police, when first talking to family members, didn't tell them law enforcement had shot and killed Roger-Vasselin, the sons said.
Christian Biscotti, a military chaplain stationed at Beale Air Force Base, said of his concerns about the Yuba City police: "I'm speaking as a son, not as a chaplain."
He added that he works with law enforcement and respects police.
"They're awesome people," Christian Biscotti said. "I love them."
Good police officers, he added, can make bad decisions. Events were mishandled May 20 on Mariner Loop, he believes.
Police have said a man, since identified as Patterson, armed with a handgun answered the door — and while they were dealing with him, the woman approached the door with a shotgun, ignored orders to release the weapon, advanced on officers and continued to point the shotgun at them in a threatening manner.
Officers fired at Roger-Vasselin, who was pronounced dead at the scene, according to the Police Department.
Matthew Biscotti spoke about entering the three-bedroom, two-bath 3,300-square-foot home after the police left, discovering a pool of blood in the hallway in front of the door and how he had to clean up his mother's blood.
He asks: How did his mother, who had seven grandchildren, end up dead in her own home? Both Biscottis believe she may have thought intruders were at the front door when police came to the home.
"Some police," Matthew Biscotti said, "can't wait to fire their weapons for the first time."
Patterson, who allegedly pointed a gun at a census worker after she tried to gain information from him earlier that evening, was freed on bail Thursday from the Sutter County Jail. Patterson faces felony counts of assault with a firearm and assault with a firearm on police officers.
"He is part of the family and he is 100 percent innocent," Matthew Biscotti said.
He spoke about Roger-Vasselin as a smart and beautiful woman who had written two novels, held real estate licenses, was a gourmet cook and expert skier.
"We are all lost," he said of her death, calling his mother the matriarch of the family.
"I've never met anybody so passionate about life," Christian Biscotti said.
The family roots in the Mid-Valley community run deep. Her father was a probation officer — the Thomas E. Mathews Community School in Marysville is named after him. Roger-Vasselin's brother Thomas Mathews Jr. was the district attorney and a Superior Court judge in Yuba County.
"My mom grew up with the law," Christian Biscotti said.
The family wants the Yuba City Police Department to admit it made a mistake in the shooting and apologize.
Christian Biscotti said a private, independent investigation is under way.
"We are retaining one of the largest law firms in the United States to go after the truth," Matthew Biscotti said.
"Justice will be done," Christian Biscotti said. "We're not going to give up."
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67, armed, and naked ?
No wonder they shot her.
Figured there was more to the story, actual headline "Cops kill Granny Clampett for not being a good little sheep.