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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: langloisandy on May 30, 2010, 09:21:05 AM
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Gents,
I spent the weekend at a Cowboy Shoot and met hung out a the Pioneer Arms Co. booth for a while chatting with Kage (the logisitics dude from Pioneer). Lemme tell ya, way way way way way way way cool guns. Well made and ever so smooth actions, decent triggers and some damn fine wood. I took a few photos and did a quicky writeup on my blog.
http://andysgunthoughts.wordpress.com/pioneer-arms-coach-gun/
I NEED to get one of these!
Andy
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Very cool. How much?
FQ13
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FQ,
Oh yeah, pricing! 1100ish??? Somewhere in that range. I balked at that until I felt it and changed my mind....worth it.
Thinking back on the doubles I had, and the breakages, I probably had FAR more than that into one Rossi! ;)
Andy
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Too rich for the Quaker's blood, but still a cool toy. I saw that someone was making a reproduction of the old Greeners at about the same price point. I'd research those before buying.
FQ13
PS look at some of the larger fine shot gun dealers like Chadicks and New Englan Arms (not the gun maker, these guys just deal in old shot guns). You might be able to get an authentic turn of the century double hammer for a whole lot less. They will be damascus and BP only, but very cool guns for about five bills. The extra $600 will let you reload a whole lot of BP shells.
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FQ,
This is a Greener repro.....might be this one that you are thinking of!
Andy
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FQ,
This is a Greener repro.....might be this one that you are thinking of!
Andy
And indeed it would be. :) I just couldn't tell from the thumb nail. Assuming pioneer does it right, they are great guns. I got to fondle a couple of original and they are built like bank vaults and very pretty (though a leeetle more than $1100 ;D).
Good luck
FQ13
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Dixie gun works. ALOT less than $1100, or thereabouts. This one is $475,
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=15034
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/CR1199.jpg)
Uberti makes a great one, not too bad on cost either, also check EMF Arms.
Can't go wrong with a good "scatter-gun" . When you "whip" this out, folks scatter,.... :o
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+ one onthe last comment. You see those twin tubes coming your way its time to get the hell out of dodge.
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Gotta agree with Andy...the Pioneer may be the best coach gun ever made. After handling several at Winter Range this year, it went straight onto the short list of must-haves. I keep a coach gun (an ancient 12 gauge Stoeger) accessible along with my Vang Comp 870 because it's what my Sweetie shoots in cowboy action.
Funny story...when I lived in a banger neighborhood in Tampa years and years ago, I got an old Stoeger 12 gauge, spray painted all the wood black and had the metal bumper-chromed. Next time I saw one of the warlords, I invited him in and showed him the pimped-out new gun while regaling him with stories of my "special" magnum 12 gauge handloads loaded with both #00 buck and pieces of busted glass (if you're gonna lie, lie big I say!). Within 24 hours the whole neighborhood knew about "that crazy M-F'er and his freaking nickle-plated cannon." Never got robbed, needless to say...
BTW, you always get what you pay for!
Michael B
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Are these shotguns available with fixed chokes? I would think that the 24" barreled model would be quite the ticket for bird hunting if something besides cylinder bore is available.
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Are these shotguns available with fixed chokes? I would think that the 24" barreled model would be quite the ticket for bird hunting if something besides cylinder bore is available.
Good question:
United States:
Pioneer Arms Corp.
PO Box 815
North Bennington, VT 05257-0815
Phone: 309-226-4226
Toll free Fax: 800-496-6012
sales@pioneer-pac.com
http://www.pioneer-pac.com/test.html
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I got mine in April. I love it and it is worth every penny! You can't even get close to the quality of this shotgun with any of it's competitors. This is a true "greener" action cross bolt lock action. Comes race ready right out of the box, tuned hammers and trigger group for fast paced SASS action.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q270/twolabdad/April-15_1822.jpg
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I got mine in April. I love it and it is worth every penny! You can't even get close to the quality of this shotgun with any of it's competitors. This is a true "greener" action cross bolt lock action. Comes race ready right out of the box, tuned hammers and trigger group for fast paced SASS action.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q270/twolabdad/April-15_1822.jpg
That's beautiful, Deadeye. Welcome to the Forum :D :D
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Some more pix of Pioneer SXS my M1 Garand is in some of them as well. Stock is Beech wood. I like it a lot.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q270/twolabdad/Pioneer_SXS_M1Garand/IMG_1235.jpg)
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That's beautiful, Deadeye. Welcome to the Forum :D :D
Thanks Solus, I really like this forum ;D
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Welcome Deadeye, thank you for the great pics. (We're suckers for gun pics ;D).
Been an owner of a Norinco 99W Coach Gun for a while. Always loved the double hammer, double trigger. The fun was letting my teenage son finally just get to let it rip this summer.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/rangejuly001.jpg)
After exploding water jugs at our local range, of course being young and knowing everything, he wanted to pull "both" triggers at the same time... ::)
He classically looked at me after, and said. "Uh Dad, one at a time is fine"..... ;D Just one of those moments,...I'll remember.. 8)
Great pics, and good shooting.
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He classically looked at me after, and said. "Uh Dad, one at a time is fine"..... ;D Just one of those moments,...I'll remember.. 8)
Some of life's best lessons later require an ice pack. ;)
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Now those are some good looking toys.
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Welcome Deadeye, thank you for the great pics. (We're suckers for gun pics ;D).
Great pics, and good shooting.
Cool Beans here's some more!
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q270/twolabdad/GUNS/PastedGraphic-1-1.jpg)
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I was out shooting a Pioneer double last week in California...man, that is one SWEET shotgun! In fact, it cries out to me...take me home...take me home...
If it was hammerless, it'd be a no-brainer...I've been very happy in the changeover from '97 pump to a double-barreled double trigger Stoeger in my cowboy action shooting. Not quite up to speed yet on the reloads, but it's a relatively intuitive motion compared to the pump-dance.
Michael B
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Here some more, best picture of Pioneer cross bolt lock
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q270/twolabdad/GUNS/2009-12-29at20-16-52-3-1.jpg)
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(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q270/twolabdad/GUNS/M1GarandTrailBossPioneerSXS022-1.jpg)
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Hey Andy...I'd really be interested in hearing your rationale for using a hammered double as a home self-defense tool!!!
mb
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Called Pioneer Arms last week and they are not taking any more orders in 2011 and may not take any in 2012.
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Called Pioneer Arms last week and they are not taking any more orders in 2011 and may not take any in 2012.
If you reload, call around high end shotgun dealers. I'd look at mags like "Shooting Sportsman" or "Sporting Classics" or "Grays Sporting Journal" (all great reads). Anyway, they are full of ads for these sorts of companies. Me, I sold a double hammer Belgian straight stock twenty gauge to New England Arms for $75. Why? It had a damascus barrel and I didn't reload, so I took store credit on salt water flies at wholesale, and was, if not happy, content. The point is, if you'd followed me into the store 15 minutes later with $150 you'd have had a damn nice gun if you were willing to reload or pay for BP shells. If you wanted to make it a coach gun all you'd have needed was a hacksaw and a yardstick to make sure you stayed legal (I'd reccomend 19" if I were doing it myself). Remember, even at CAS loadings, BP buckshot will still ruin your whole day at across the living room distance. Before I dropped a grand or better on a repro, I'd buy a few expensive magazines and make some calls to dealers to see if I couldn't get the real thing for half that or less. Of course it will be a no name gun, as the "usual suspects" will be high dollar, but lots of good stuff was made by small American, French, German, and Belgian companies that no one has ever heard of today. Think the Stevens and Mavericks and Stoegers of their era. Again, it all depends on your willingness to load BP.
FQ13
PS welcome
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Called Pioneer Arms last week and they are not taking any more orders in 2011 and may not take any in 2012.
Berth,
I just got a message from Kage over at Pioneer, sounds like they are backordered a bit and trying to catch up.
Check out their web page, it looks like they are trying to get into the rifle market now too which is way cool.
Atlantic Arms and IO is importing the pistolas they make ( PPs43-C pistol ) http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct883.aspx
I don't know why I need one of these , I suppose it would work for a shop gun.. any excuse for a cool new toy!
;)
Andy
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Gotta agree with Andy...the Pioneer may be the best coach gun ever made. After handling several at Winter Range this year, it went straight onto the short list of must-haves. I keep a coach gun (an ancient 12 gauge Stoeger) accessible along with my Vang Comp 870 because it's what my Sweetie shoots in cowboy action.
Funny story...when I lived in a banger neighborhood in Tampa years and years ago, I got an old Stoeger 12 gauge, spray painted all the wood black and had the metal bumper-chromed. Next time I saw one of the warlords, I invited him in and showed him the pimped-out new gun while regaling him with stories of my "special" magnum 12 gauge handloads loaded with both #00 buck and pieces of busted glass (if you're gonna lie, lie big I say!). Within 24 hours the whole neighborhood knew about "that crazy M-F'er and his freaking nickle-plated cannon." Never got robbed, needless to say...
BTW, you always get what you pay for!
Michael B
Any chance of getting Pioneer to do a "Michael Bane Special?"..... ;D
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Wow that is a piece of art! I tried calling Pioneer but there number is disconnected?