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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TAB on May 30, 2010, 06:15:38 PM
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Long story short, I had a carbid router bit explode on me thrusday. I am very glad I was wearing a heavy cotton shirt, jeans, and a face sheild. Other wise it would have been alot worse.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/The_AnkLe_BiTeR/littleone001.jpg)
That pic was taken about 12 hours after it happen, it was alot deeper then it looks. Nothing like diging hot carbid out of your skin with a razor knife. Then it was the old wrap it in a rag and duck tape and back to work. :)
I've always said i fear a router more then I fear a table saw.
Just a friendly reminder, to wear that safety gear and practice safe tool handling.
PS, there is nothing like hiting a hardend steal rod in the middle of a butcher block counter top to shatter a router bit. Destroyed the router as well.
Lucky for me I know this doctor that can patch me up on the cheap *wink*
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Ouch, Dude. Really glad it wasn't worse. And having competent medical help on the other side of the dinner table is a definite plus. Stay safe. You have given me (and others) something to think about next time one of us gets a plunge router out for a job. At least you still have all the major parts still attached.
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Part of my job involves deburring the inside of some tubing, I use a small bench grinder with an arbor mounted horizontally and a 1/2 inch sanding drum.
The other day the sleeve of my T shirt got caught as I turned away and the bench grinder was instantly trying to climb up on my shoulder like a friendly cat ;D
The off switch was pretty much in my face so I just shut it of and set it further back on the bench.
As it happened it was funny, the machine jumped up on my shoulder, but a bigger machine could have been very bad, When things go to crap, it happens instantly, you have to take every precaution before hand.
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In my former twenty five year life as a carpenter and contractor I (fortunately) never hurt myself with a power tool. My nemesis was my utility knife, which sent me to the hospital for stiches half a dozen times. It was the glancing blows that caused the most damage. Straight on you can just duct tape it and keep going, but a sidelong slice is a huge mess.
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In my former twenty five year life as a carpenter and contractor I (fortunately) never hurt myself with a power tool. My nemesis was my utility knife, which sent me to the hospital for stiches half a dozen times. It was the glancing blows that caused the most damage. Straight on you can just duct tape it and keep going, but a sidelong slice is a huge mess.
Eyes, Piece of sawdust once when I was not wearing Safety glasses, and a piece of fiberglass that got around the glasses.
Also got hit in the eye ball with a drop of paint, but I got that out myself without going to the hospital.
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Is this the how bad can I hurt myself thread???
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In my former twenty five year life as a carpenter and contractor I (fortunately) never hurt myself with a power tool. My nemesis was my utility knife, which sent me to the hospital for stiches half a dozen times. It was the glancing blows that caused the most damage. Straight on you can just duct tape it and keep going, but a sidelong slice is a huge mess.
the worst are carpet knifes, I think I can cut myself just looking at them.
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Hope it heals well TAB, sorry for your injury
A reminder that many accidents happen at home, when we have our guard down.
Here's a reminder of how easy it is. I wasn't hurt, but shook up a bit when I had a ladder collapse under me while I was coming down. Just a reminder to inspect the equipment, and to be safe out there.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh20/alfsauve/Ladder%20Problem/Ladder01.jpg)
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Damn near lost my trigger finger (my second favorite appendage) opening a thrice damned plastic shrink wrapped package at work. The only upside to this was that my boss gave me the display model Gerber Gator that caused the problem as a consolation prize. He said it was poetic justice, I think it was an evil sense of humor, either way, I still have the knife, and the scar. Whoever posted that laeral wounds are the worst was not wrong. Seeing your finger peeled like a bannana sucks. Likewise I did the ladder trick as well Alf. It was hurricane Jean and I had put up plywood/shutters at my granddads, great aunts and my mom's place when I had a heat stroke and fell off the ladder under a 5/8ths" sheet of plywood.A night in the hospitile (at least I got A/C and ice) ;D. Still, not the best of times and a reminder that no good goes unpunished.
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I think everything that can be said has been said, except ...
Wait for it ...
Did you get Mrs. Tab to play Dr when you got home ;D
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I think everything that can be said has been said, except ...
Wait for it ...
Did you get Mrs. Tab to play Dr when you got home ;D
I think he prefers the naughty nurse, though that might require latex. ;D
FQ13
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Hope it heals well TAB, sorry for your injury
A reminder that many accidents happen at home, when we have our guard down.
Here's a reminder of how easy it is. I wasn't hurt, but shook up a bit when I had a ladder collapse under me while I was coming down. Just a reminder to inspect the equipment, and to be safe out there.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh20/alfsauve/Ladder%20Problem/Ladder01.jpg)
That happened to me in a new home I was working in. The builder came in squawkin about how I had to pay him for a new attic access ladder or he would back-charge the company I worked for. I told him if he didn't pay in full, I'd sue his dumb ass for using sub standard materials and than I'd come after what personal property I could get. He paid my company, but stiffed his other subs when he went out of business a short time later. That house never did get finished.
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Good to see your Okay, it reminds me of the time the blade on my edger came flying off. The nut broke off and the blade went flying across the street missing a parked car.
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TAB, sorry for your injury, and I hope you heal well with not lasting damage. That is a bad area with tendons, muscle and nerves on our ever popular opposable thumb. Ron White does a bit on this, and let me just leave it at you not wanting to be in Sluggo's situation ;)
On the line of Alf and the ladder. The most ignored safety item is ladder weights. Being a "person of substance" I can't stand these ladder makers that sell ladders with a 175# rating! At my last job we had an attic access with a ladder like Alf showed. It was rated for 200#. Great, except I weigh a fair bit more than that. Then you through in the fact that it was at the max height limit, so when you stepped off it it would bob up a little. Then when you started climbing down it would bind with the last section, the one Alf broke, slightly bent ... until I would reach it, and it would snap hard into position. I spent nine and a half years waiting to take a nose dive on concrete.
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I think he prefers the naughty nurse, though that might require latex. ;D
FQ13
The nurse thing has never been a turn on for me, now maid... ;D
She wanted to sow me up, I would not let her, A good cleaning and some dermabond(AKA super glue, but for medical use) and I'm good to go.
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Sorry for the injury TAB, glad you have live-in (medical) help.
Since we're "sharing" . . . .
I managed to knife myself twice with an X-acto knife years back, both times within a half inch of each other in the back web of the left hand near where TAB got his. These were deep stab wounds, not peeling back or long cuts. Still have the scars.
I was drilling a hole in one of my fence posts to hang a gate for my corral when I leaned over to check the hole. I didn't realize the druill was still running (with a 12" bit - it was a big post) and the tail of my shirt caught (unbuttoned, untucked, unsmart) on the bit. Damn drill walked right up and slammed me in the chest - left a bruise that covered just about every color of the rainbow before it was done. My favorite was a sickly green/yellow. No cracked ribs, though it felt like it had done that much.
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I build models in the spare seconds I get and the day before flying out to LA recently I implanted three drill bits in my finger. I was reaching across the box of bits to get something off the bench, overextended and lost ballance and put hand across the box when coming down. Luckily they are all #80 bits (0.0135in, yes, they are THAT small) and only one actually broke off in my thumb. Pulled out the XActo and cut a 1/8in piece out and bandaged it up.
I don't consider a solder job complete unless I've burned myself at least twice. Doesn't matter if its wire, circuit boards, or pipe, I always seem to get to close or rub against the tips. XActos can do a number too.
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JNevis, What do you build ?
For me it's planes and armored vehicles. ;D
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Glad your ok TAB, nothing like finding obstructions, that you thought you had covered, and BAM, was using a long 3/8" extension to do some rear shocks, and got it a little to close to my hair, wound it up around the extension real good. Know a female mechanic, that got her hair caught in a spinning drive shaft and it truly scalped her, she is now a tool dealer.
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Know a female mechanic, that got her hair caught in a spinning drive shaft and it truly scalped her, she is now a tool dealer.
I had a buddy of mine do that back in HS. Using a 1/2" drive drill under his van and it grabbed his hair (the seventies, we all had pony tails then) and scalped a 6" wide track above his ear....all the way to the top of his head.
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A guy on my crew was drilling a hole with a 1/2" bit in a drill=press and the bit shattered. A fragment hit his pinky finger an nearly took it off. It sliced his finger almost completely lengthwise, longitudinally. He had to have pins and many stitches to save the finger.
Years earlier, another employee was using a drill press while wearing cotton gloves. The middle finger of the glove got caught in the bit and snatched the whole finger off, cleanly, at the knuckle, along with the ligaments from way back up into the forearm muscle (yeah, ouch!...still makes me cringe). Doctor just closed it with stitches, so, no more birds with that hand.
Respect the power tools!!!
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A guy at work lost a thumb to a drill press. There was a warning sign not to wear gloves but he did and it got caught. No gloves when using the grinder either.
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A guy at work lost a thumb to a drill press. There was a warning sign not to wear gloves but he did and it got caught. No gloves when using the grinder either.
Yeah, we had a warning sign on the drill press............. But he didn't want to get his hands dirty. :P
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This whole thread makes me hurt........
Was just working on a melamine counter top. When you saw that stuff it leaves an edge like a razor. I didn't even realize it was cutting me until I started leaving bloody fingerprints all over the nice white surface. When I was finished I looked as though I had been juggling cats.
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GB
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There was a warning sign not to wear gloves but he did and it got caught. No gloves when using the grinder either.
I've observed (in the stagecraft business) an almost overuse of gloves. The younger generation, in order to protect there hands, seems to wear gloves for almost all activities around the stage. Now I admit, I'm from a generation that treated rough hands as a badge of honor to be earned from years of hard work, but you also have to be aware of the dangers of these things. I guess the military "drilled" it into me the danger of clothing and jewelry around machinery. Even static equipment can present a danger.
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I've observed (in the stagecraft business) an almost overuse of gloves. The younger generation, in order to protect there hands, seems to wear gloves for almost all activities around the stage. Now I admit, I'm from a generation that treated rough hands as a badge of honor to be earned from years of hard work, but you also have to be aware of the dangers of these things. I guess the military "drilled" it into me the danger of clothing and jewelry around machinery. Even static equipment can present a danger.
Basic shop safety in Jr. High Industrial Arts taught #1. Eye Protection; #2. No Loose Clothing, Jewelry or Gloves; #3. Do Not Distract a Tool Operator (safety/operator zones); #4. Keep Your Tools Clean, Sharp and Organized; and #5. If You Don't Know How It Works or How to Use It - ASK!
Over the last decade one of the fastest growing markets in the tool industry has been gloves of all shapes, types and purposes. Call me old fashioned, but I don't believe that 99% of these gloves have a place near tools or the work place.
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I think OSHA bears a lot of responsibility for glove injuries. I just bought Bunny one of those ceramic knives from Harbor Freight. On the back of the box is an OSHA warning to wear eye protection and heavy industrial quality gloves when using the knife. Ya shoulda seen Bunny's face when I told her she's have to "safety up" to slice a tomato. LOL
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I think OSHA bears a lot of responsibility for glove injuries. I just bought Bunny one of those ceramic knives from Harbor Freight. On the back of the box is an OSHA warning to wear eye protection and heavy industrial quality gloves when using the knife. Ya shoulda seen Bunny's face when I told her she's have to "safety up" to slice a tomato. LOL
How's that knife working by the way. I'd like a "range" report. ;D
FQ13
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How's that knife working by the way. I'd like a "range" report. ;D
FQ13
FQ, I can't give you anything on how long it's gonna last, but using it when it's new, you can get about a hundred slices out of one tomato. Of course, Mickey D's been doing that with their hamburger patties for years. LOL
It's a $20 investment, so we're not expecting really great things. But, Quaker, I will make it a point to get you progress reports over the next weeks and months. I can tell you this: I think it was the sharpest outta-the-box knife I've ever bought. And that includes a wide variety of X-actos, utility, Case and other quality knives. Feels reasonably well balanced for a cheap knife. ;)
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How's that knife working by the way. I'd like a "range" report. ;D
FQ13
I bought one for my wife on Billt recommendation too and it has become my favorite knife. Have had it about a month and used every day.
My wife said she wants to get me one the next time we are near a Harbor Freight so she can have her's back.
I am really amazed at how well it cuts.
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Ceramics are great knives. I can't believe you've found one for 20 bucks!
As too ceramics wearability, companies are now making implants for hips and knees that are bonded with a cermamic material that has the wear rate 20 times better than my cobalt chromium implants. They say these new implant materials won't wear out.
I'll probably need mine replaced in the next 15 or 20 years.
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Ceramics are great knives. I can't believe you've found one for 20 bucks!
As too ceramics wearability, companies are now making implants for hips and knees that are bonded with a cermamic material that has the wear rate 20 times better than my cobalt chromium implants. They say these new implant materials won't wear out.
I'll probably need mine replaced in the next 15 or 20 years.
Actually, HF has them for $10 at the moment, at least here - paring and next size up are, forgot the check the largest one. But, $10!
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Actually, HF has them for $10 at the moment, at least here - paring and next size up are, forgot the check the largest one. But, $10!
http://www.harborfreight.com/general-merch/kitchen/3-inch-ceramic-paring-knife-98183.html
http://www.harborfreight.com/5-inch-ceramic-utility-knife-98184.html
http://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-ceramic-chefs-knife-98186.html
I'm following this subject as I'm curious about their edge holding.
At work I often have to cut ScotchBrite and it just eats razor blades and Knife blades.
Recently I ordered a Naga deburring tool because in the picture it looks like a hobby type blade,
http://metalworking.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=6167694
it is not, it is a slab about 1/16 in. thick.
The tool has almost no weight at all, I fiddled around with it and found it to handle anything I had handy but it did not do me any good so I passed it on to the Deburr guy , they have been using it on real heavy steel burrs , He tells me "3 passes and its GONE ",
Some of those burrs stand 1/8th inch, he also says the blade is unmarked.
I'm impressed. :o
I'm going to order all 3 knives.
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Just followed Tom's like to HF purchased all three kitchen ceramics.
3" 5.99
5" 9.99
6" 12.99
Actually purchased 2 of each. Total shipping 9.99 and a 3.50 tax.
Don't know how these will hold up. Purchased two sets not because I expect them to fail quickly, but because the price is so good they are a good buy for replacement even if the first set lasts 10 years.
These are great slicing kitchen knives. No chopping or stabbing allowed. Find your steel butter knife if you need a screwdriver.
I have used these for years. Boker made a nice black bladed set. I still have two of the Boker 3" blades and use them every day. The larger Bokers somehow got lost in a recent move, so I am going to try these as a cheaper replacement.
The 6" Boker would make effortless cuts across 1/2 inch steak by placing the tip on the cutting board and just drawing it across the steak. It would take two draws to cut a 3" diameter pork loin, this because the blade was too short to get a decent angle. It just lifted the tip off the board and left maybe 1/2 inch to do again. Extra pressure might handle it, but two quick light draws seem the better choice.....don't like force is knife work if it can be avoided..
At this price, give them a try.
I also keep a Warthog sharpener on the kitchen counter for steel knives. http://www.harborfreight.com/general-merch/kitchen.html
Honestly, a just sharpened steel knife does as good at thin tomato slices as the ceramic...but with a little more force and more "sawing". The sharpen steel does well on meat, but with the same increase in effort over ceramic
Basically, the ceramic cuts most things like by a quick light draw across it. More like scribing a line across it rather than the slicing (sawing) you do with steel.
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Always use different types of safety Gloves if your work is associated with the risk factor.
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The funniest accident involving industrial tools I have (yes it was funny-wait for it) went something like this:
Sunshine (one of two girls in the Machine Tech program with 40+ guys): Nancy how do you get the drill out of this thing?
Nancy: Just pull on it.
Sunshine: Like this...? :metal cutting skin-twing: OWWWWWwwwww!!!
She was trying to remove a tapered shank drill from an old gang drill press. We had all been instructed on either proper use or where to find the proper way to use all of the tools in the shop.
This was a girl that thought she ruled the roost, with a room temperature IQ and an entitlement attitude-everything I hate in a person. We had been in an altercation that pushed my "never hit a woman" policy as far as it ever has been and ended when an instructor stepped in between us. Like I said it was funny and the beginning of the end for her. She was a receptionist at a realtor's office last I heard.