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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: philw on June 05, 2010, 08:35:13 PM
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http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/
to see how big it is from your location
what is the "actual" latest not what the envo poofta media are saying
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have a ? as well
looking to answer here on an aussie IT forum about why BHO is to blame ;D ;D
I would like a "typical classy response"
ie I need some ideas
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Because the Dems continue to block drilling on land where this would have been a relatively minor incident.
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As a Floridian who likes to fish, and someone who strongly supports Gulf Coast Seafood, I would like to have a "conversation" with BP, Dick Cheney and his energy panel, the heads of EPA and the current administration. It would go something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc9zF8G2Pvc
As Gary Cooper would say "Friendly Persuasion" from the Quakers. Or in this case, from DeNiro ala Al Capone, Ahhh, baseball, a man does need his "enthusiasms". ;)
FQ13 >:(
PS M'lette, I've clicked the damn youtube button five ways. Why do it not work? :-\
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FQ13 >:(
PS M'lette, I've clicked the damn youtube button five ways. Why do it not work? :-\
Because your a Quaker! ::) :P
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Because your a Quaker! ::) :P
Never said I was a good Quaker. ;D
FQ13
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Never said I was a good Quaker. ;D
FQ13
Well I'll tell you how to insert youtube videos if you can tell me how to insert an e-mail!!!! :-\
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Well I'll tell you how to insert youtube videos if you can tell me how to insert an e-mail!!!! :-\
depends on the email :)
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Phil, here's what a right-of-center observer is saying.
Obama Knew Spill Scope from Day 1
Saturday, June 5, 2010, 6:57 AM
Elizabeth Scalia
Wait, what?
Critics have bashed President Obama for being slow to seize the political initiative in combating the BP oil spill in the Gulf Coast, now widely believed to be the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history. The White House has battled back, releasing a timeline of events showing that Obama was briefed—and deploying the Coast Guard—within 24 hours of the Deepwater Horizon blowout.
What has not been previously disclosed: The president was not only briefed on the real-time events of the spill, but also on just how bad it would be—and how hard it would be to plug the hole.
Carol Browner, director of the White House Office of Energy and Climate Change Policy, told Obama at one of the earliest briefings in late April that the blowout would likely lead to an unprecedented environmental disaster, senior White House aides told The Daily Beast. Browner warned that capping a well at such depths had never been done before, and that they ought to expect an oil spill that would continue until a relief well was drilled in August, the aide said.
That early briefing on the scope of the spill—and enormous technical challenges involved in fixing it—might help explain the sense of fatalism that has infused Obama’s team from the start.
Publishing this at 8:46 PM on a Friday night, when it is least likely to be noticed, Richard Wollfe sends out a trial balloon, to see if it will float some sympathy toward the White House: Hey, America, Obama knew it was going to be really bad, and there was nothing he could actually do about that, so he did nothing about anything.
Hey, America, I knew it was hopeless, and I couldn’t change anything, so I couldn’t see the point of accepting the help of 17 nations offering their technology and their expertise in attempting to contain the damage as much as possible; no point in even attempting to use supertankers to try to remove as much oil from the surface as possible, even if they have to do it for months.
Hey, America, I knew it was bad, so there was no sense in telling you anything, or in helping Governor Jindal try to protect the marshlands and coasts of Louisiana.
President Obama surely cannot be blamed for (or personally do anything about) “the damn hole,” that–even “capped”– is still gushing oil into (and beyond) the Gulf of Mexico, and that’s why reasonable people have not been the ones insisting that the president play superhero, or display reassuring “concern” by doing a public freak-out. In a crisis, you want the president to be calm and collected.
But Obama just as surely could have informed the nation that we were facing a long-term assault on our environment that would have wide repercussions.
He could have put his legendary oratorical skills to work, communicating an appreciation of the gravity of the situation, and an assurance that everything that could possibly be done to protect the environment was being done.
That was his fundamental job as president: clear communication of the struggle ahead, and reassurance that all possible efforts at collection and containment were operational. That is what he could have done, and did not; six weeks into it, he still has not really managed it.
We’ve just spent years listening to ungenerous, miserable people excoriate President Bush for calmly taking 7 minutes, after learning of the attacks of 9/11, to allow his Secret Service to do their thing and to–with a great deal of composure–take his leave from a classroom without managing to scare the children or give an impression of fear that would be put before the nation and the world.
After watching President Obama take six weeks to process the terrible news he was given–pressing forward with golf, vacations, parties and fund-raisers in order to not scare the nation–even if that it meant he seemed a little disengaged from the BP Oil disaster, I never want to hear another sneering, idiotic My Pet Goat joke, again.
A president needs to be calm and deliberate in the face of crisis, and he even needs to say puzzling things like “go on vacation, go shopping” or “go to the beaches” when it is clear the crisis has precipitated a long, hard slog.
But he also needs to promptly stand on a pile of rubble with the firefighters, or in a marsh full of dead wildlife and a slick, red tide, and say, “we’re going to respond; we’re going to protect and we’re going to rebuild and restore. We are going to get through this long hard slog, together.”
And he has to be able to convince people that he means every word he has said.
Wolffe writes:
“. . .Obama’s team is focusing on the options at their immediate disposal—methods of news management and presidential communication.”
There will be a slow but continual drip of bad-to-worse news about this issue, coming out of the White House. President Obama needs to shake off the fatalism and show the nation that he is willing to try things, fight back against the rising tide of suffocating red death.
The president who rose to office riding the notion of hope cannot be the guy who meanders around, wishing things were not so damned hopeless.
Allahpundit: “. . . if he really did know right away that this was the oil equivalent of an asteroid strike, he didn’t scramble some sort of all-hands-on-deck emergency operation to protect the coastline. Remember, Jindal reportedly requested five million feet of hard boom back on May 2, long after Obama (according to Wolffe) knew about the magnitude of the disaster. By May 24, not even 800,000 feet had arrived. What happened?”
Kim Priestap says the Obama administration’s “fatalism” looks like “gross negligence”:
He could have ordered the mobilization of as much of the government’s resources as possible and put out an SOS to private companies and organizations with expertise in disaster clean up to try to prevent the oil slick from entering the gulf’s coastal waters. With the advanced notice that he was given, he could have had them ready and waiting.
But he didn’t do anything.
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So it's ALLL because of evil BP, right ?
Did you sell a car, truck, boat, 4 wheeler, snow machine, or motor cycle to protest ?
How about disconnecting from their nasty electric plants ?
Maybe you ordered your 401 to return those tainted oil -profits ?
You are "Crack whores" for oil, don't blame BP.
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Man the boats, free oil!
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Man the boats, free oil!
Land Rover owners would be loving it
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looks like it is getting worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.news.com.au/business/new-orleans-strip-club-mimosa-dancing-girls-files-oil-spill-compensation-claim/story-e6frfm1i-1225882007304
New Orleans strip club Mimosa Dancing Girls files oil spill compensation claim
BP receives 64,000 compo claims
Most from Gulf fishing industry
Strip club, tradies also make claims
AN unlikely company has filed a claim for compensation regarding the disaster - a New Orleans strip club.
The owners of The Mimosa Dancing Girls, located on the edge of New Orleans, claimed that the spill was bad for business as the fishermen who usually frequented the club cannot afford to spend money there, British newspaper The Observer reported.
BP announced yesterday that it had already received 64,000 compensation claims, adding that it already paid $104 million to residents along the US Gulf Coast.
Most of the 1500 claims the energy giant handles each day were said to be from those involved in the fishing industry, as a fishing ban prohibits them from working.
But according to The Observer, officials at BP's New Orleans claims centre said the bulk of claimants were no longer fishermen.
As well as strip joint owners, restaurant waitresses, dock workers, plumbers and electricians also came to the centre, saying their livelihoods were severely hit, the newspaper reported.
BP set up 33 field offices in the states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida, and a thousand-strong team was set to deal with claimants.
The firm said it would not refuse any claim where the right documentation was provided.
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looks like it is getting worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.news.com.au/business/new-orleans-strip-club-mimosa-dancing-girls-files-oil-spill-compensation-claim/story-e6frfm1i-1225882007304
THE HORROR!!!!!!! :o
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The more things change the more they...
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And does anyone wonder I like this woman? ;D That was about the most brutal smackdown I have ever seen delivered on TV. And all archival footage. No Bill O'Reiily yelling, or Sean Hannity pontificating, or Chris Matthews bloviating. Just, "Hey watch this". Lethal, effecient, and to the point, with no wasted effort. Classic. Too bad she's gay, because she's kind of like the glock of reporters. Not the prettiest one out there, but she gets the job done with no muss or fuss. That makes her pretty enough for me.. ;)
FQ13
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DAMN!!!! :-X
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I vaguely remember this back in 79 and if cable TV had not been in it's infantcy, it might have been bigger news.
My last months in the military, I had other things on my mind at the time... Sept 23, 1979 I became a Reservist.
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That was when I graduated high school and joined the army. I don't remember much from back then.
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FQ:
And does anyone wonder I like this woman? Grin
Well, as a stark raving Progressive, which she is, why not like her FQ?
Why is the U.S providing $2 BILLION dollars to Petrobras. Also known as Petro-Brazil, a $15 BILLION dollar a year corp. whose largest share holder is our buddy George Soros...???????
Why is Joe Podesta,BHO, advisor, Board Member of CAP's (Center For American Progress),and his brother Tony, who is on the Board. at BP, supporting Petrobras with research and funding, which they don't need, with money we don't have, to drill even deeper (14,000 feet) off S. America?????
Yet saying nothing about a six month moratorium for OUR waters.....
Think outside the box FQ, and quit watching dyke Libs, on a low rated network,...it's not doing you well...
Kool-Aid intoxication can be harmful.
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Judge overturns Gulf drilling freeze
http://www.news.com.au/world/judge-overturns-gulf-drilling-freeze/story-e6frfkyi-1225883055811
A US judge overnight ruled against a six-month freeze slapped on deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, and the White House immediately announced it would appeal the ruling.
Judge Martin Feldman ruled in favour of 32 oil firms which challenged the moratorium on deepwater drilling and exploration imposed by us President Barack Obama's administration in the wake of the massive Gulf oil spill.
Judge Feldman ruled in the New Orleans court that the oil firms motion for a "preliminary injunction is granted", saying he was persuaded it was in the public interest to lift the freeze by the Minerals Management Service.
"The court has found the plaintiffs would likely succeed in showing that the agency's decision was arbitrary and capricious," he said in his written ruling.
and now your tax $$$ at work again
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/white-house-to-appeal-ruling-against-obamas-gulf-oil-drill-ban/story-e6frg6so-1225883232428
US judge has struck down the Obama administration's six-month ban on deepwater oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico as rash and heavy-handed.
US District Court judge Martin Feldman said the government had simply assumed that because one rig exploded, the others pose an imminent danger, too.
The White House promised an immediate appeal. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said later he would in the next few days issue a new order imposing a moratorium that will eliminate any doubt it is needed and appropriate.
The Interior Department had imposed the moratorium last month in the wake of the BP disaster, halting approval of any new permits for deepwater projects and suspending drilling on 33 exploratory wells.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Barack Obama believes that until investigations can determine why the spill happened, continued deepwater drilling exposes workers and the environment to “a danger that the president does not believe we can afford”.
Several companies that ferry people and supplies and provide other services to offshore rigs argued that the moratorium was arbitrarily imposed after the April 20 explosion that killed 11 workers and blew out a well 1,525 metres underwater. It has spewed anywhere from 253 million litres to 480 million litres of oil.
Judge Feldman, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan and has owned stock in a number of petroleum-related companies, sided with the plaintiffs.
“If some drilling equipment parts are flawed, is it rational to say all are?” he asked. “Are all airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon Valdez? All trains? All mines? That sort of thinking seems heavy-handed, and rather overbearing.”
He also warned that the shutdown would have an “immeasurable effect” on the industry, the local economy and the US energy supply.
Judge Feldman's ruling was welcomed by the oil and gas industry and decried by environmentalists.
The judge's financial disclosure report for 2008, the most recent available, shows holdings in at least eight petroleum companies or funds that invest in them, including Transocean Ltd., which owned the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig that blew up. The report shows that most of his holdings were valued at less than $15,000; it did not provide specific amounts.
The 2008 report showed that he did not own any individual shares in big companies such as BP, which leased the rig that exploded, or ExxonMobil.
Josh Reichert, managing director of the Pew Environment Group, said the ruling should be rescinded if the judge still has investments in companies that could benefit.
“If Judge Feldman has any investments in oil and gas operators in the Gulf, it represents a flagrant conflict of interest,” Mr Reichert said.
Judge Feldman's ruling prohibits federal officials from enforcing the moratorium until a trial is held. At least two major oil companies, Shell and Marathon, said they would wait to see how the appeals play out before resuming drilling.
In his ruling, the judge called the spill “an unprecedented, sad, ugly and inhuman disaster”, but said Mr Salazar's rationale for the moratorium “does not seem to be fact-specific and refuses to take into measure the safety records of those others in the Gulf.”
Judge Feldman said he was “unable to divine or fathom a relationship between the findings and the immense scope of the moratorium”.
The judge said the blanket moratorium “seems to assume that because one rig failed and although no one yet fully knows why, all companies and rigs drilling new wells over 500 feet also universally present an imminent danger”.
In Louisiana, Governor Bobby Jindal and corporate leaders had complained that the moratorium would cost the region thousands of lucrative jobs, most paying more than $50,000 a year.
Tim Kerner, mayor of the fishing town of Lafitte, Louisiana, cheered the ruling. “I love it. I think it's great for the jobs here and the people who depend on them,” he said.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37841204/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf
This just keeps getting worse. A robotic sub hits a vent cap, causing an even larger leak. Captains dieing of gunshot wounds? Talk about out of control! Bill T.