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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Hazcat on June 10, 2010, 08:47:51 AM
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By Alan Gomez, USA TODAY
Arizona's tough new immigration enforcement law is fueling an exodus of Hispanics from the state seven weeks before it goes into effect, according to officials and residents in the state.
Though no one has precise figures, reports from school officials, businesses and individuals indicate worried Hispanics — both legal and illegal — are leaving the state in anticipation of the law, which will go into effect July 29.
Schools in Hispanic areas report unusual drops in enrollment. The Balsz Elementary School District is 75% Hispanic, and within a month of the law's passage, the parents of 70 students pulled them out of school, said District Superintendent Jeffrey Smith. The district lost seven students over the same one-month period last year, and parents tell Smith the Arizona law is the reason for leaving.
"They're leaving to another state where they feel more welcome," he said.
The measure, signed into law April 23 by Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, requires a police officer to determine a person's immigration status if they are stopped, detained or arrested and there is "reasonable suspicion" they are in the country illegally.
About 100,000 illegal immigrants left Arizona after the state passed a law in 2007 that enhanced penalties on businesses that hired them, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Some early signs suggest another exodus.
Businesses serving the Hispanic community say business is down, signaling that illegal immigrants are holding on to cash in anticipation of a move from the state, said David Castillo, co-founder of the Latin Association of Arizona, a chamber of commerce for nearly 400 first-generation Hispanic business owners.
"(Brewer) signed the law, and everything fell apart," Castillo said. "It's devastating."
Jorge Vargas plans to move to New York City because his air-conditioning business relies mostly on Hispanics. "My business is completely dead," he said.
Juan Carlos Cruz, an illegal immigrant who has worked in plant nurseries for 20 years, huddled with dozens of relatives over the Memorial Day Weekend in the backyard of his brother's Phoenix-area home to plot out the family's next move to avoid what they say will be harassment by police. Virginia and California are the front-runners.
"If I were alone, I'd try to stay. But I have a family, and I have to find a place where we can live with more freedom," said Cruz, who hopes to move July 4 to blend in with holiday weekend traffic. "This is getting too hard."
Paul Senseman, a spokesman for Brewer, said it's difficult to gauge how many people are leaving because of the law, but he said he hears similar reports of people leaving the state.
"If that means that fewer people are breaking the law, that is absolutely an accomplishment," he said.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-06-08-immigration_N.htm
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By Alan Gomez, USA TODAY
"If I were alone, I'd try to stay. But I have a family, and I have to find a place where we can live with more freedom," said Cruz, who hopes to move July 4 to blend in with holiday weekend traffic. "This is getting too hard."
Surrounding states will catch the brunt of this, they wont be going south "home"... >:(
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Juan Carlos Cruz, an illegal immigrant who has worked in plant nurseries for 20 years, huddled with dozens of relatives over the Memorial Day Weekend in the backyard of his brother's Phoenix-area home to plot out the family's next move to avoid what they say will be harassment by police. Virginia and California are the front-runners.
"If I were alone, I'd try to stay. But I have a family, and I have to find a place where we can live with more freedom," said Cruz, who hopes to move July 4 to blend in with holiday weekend traffic. "This is getting too hard."
Oh, I don't know, what about Mexico? The arrogance of these illegals blows my mind.
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It's working. . . .
Just like in Oklahoma a few years back.
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Guess they'll head to other liberal/progressive states with Dem's as their political leaders that welcome the cheap labor for their corrupt corporate buddies that line their pockets come election time and are sanctuary cities ie: LA, Denver, San Fran. and many more >:( To bad our so called leaders on the hill and locally won't enforce our current immigration laws, they don't want to make the legal and illegal latinos mad, they need them to vote so they can stay in office. Makes me sick we have allowed our Gov. get to the point they don't enforce the very laws they helped make.
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The Governor of Massachusetts will take them!
He's been trying to get a law passed for years to allow illegals "in-state resident" tuition at state colleges....
He's also one of BHO's buds! Probably helped his Auntie stay in the states, under the radar of course!
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Sad thing is the thread isn't "illegals (I have no problem with latinos) flee the US". Fleeing Arizona is like a fat chick putting on a girdle. It just moves the fat around. It doesn't solve the problem. ;D Here is "comprenhensive immigration reform" that works. Its called the GTFH (Go The f..k Home) Act. Show me a politician of any party who will pass this nationally, and they have my vote.
FQ13 who is tired of pushing one for English >:(
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FQ, how many times do you need to be told ?
Write in Tom and TT in 2012,
You may still have to push 1 for English, (don't count on it, I'm just "Cing my A ;D )
but the message on line 2 will be GTFH, (in Spanish of course ;D )
Just to get in a campaign plug here,
The way I would handle protests is if they are peacefully assembling as the Constitution allows like the 2nd A marchers or 9-12 protesters, I will (circumstances allowing ) PERSONALLY listen to their reasoned specific complaints, explain my position and seek to find some way to compromise that benefits BOTH groups.
If they are throwing stones and rioting, like the Illegal aliens they will simply have one volley fired over their heads, if they do not disperse they will be machined gunned.
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Tom,
Make sure that first volley is blanks (don't want any innocents hit down range). ;)
2nd volley "correct for distance and fire for effect". :D
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Sad thing is the thread isn't "illegals (I have no problem with latinos) flee the US". Fleeing Arizona is like a fat chick putting on a girdle. It just moves the fat around. It doesn't solve the problem. ;D Here is "comprenhensive immigration reform" that works. Its called the GTFH (Go The f..k Home) Act. Show me a politician of any party who will pass this nationally, and they have my vote.
FQ13 who is tired of pushing one for English >:(
I could not agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sad thing is the thread isn't "illegals (I have no problem with latinos) flee the US". Fleeing Arizona is like a fat chick putting on a girdle. It just moves the fat around. It doesn't solve the problem. ;D Here is "comprenhensive immigration reform" that works. Its called the GTFH (Go The f..k Home) Act. Show me a politician of any party who will pass this nationally, and they have my vote.
FQ13 who is tired of pushing one for English >:(
Now, I'd just love for ex Gov. Palin to campaign with that as part of her platform.
She and Jan Brewer seem to have the fortitude to do what is needed.
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Now, I'd just love for ex Gov. Palin to campaign with that as part of her platform.
She and Jan Brewer seem to have the fortitude to do what is needed.
Isn't it ironic that the gender without testicles have the biggest balls!
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It's just like spraying your yard for fleas and ticks. If your neighbors don't spray at the same time.........you just move'em around from yard to yard. I'm with FQ on this one. Why isn't this part of a national agenda?
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It's just like spraying your yard for fleas and ticks. If your neighbors don't spray at the same time.........you just move'em around from yard to yard. I'm with FQ on this one. Why isn't this part of a national agenda?
Cause the D's want the votes and the R's have no balls!
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Now, I'd just love for ex Gov. Palin to campaign with that as part of her platform.
She and Jan Brewer seem to have the fortitude to do what is needed.
Tell you what`if she runs`with that platform, I will not just vote for her. I will show up bare`ass naked at her house in January to apologize for every bad thing I've ever said about her.. (On consideration, she probaly won't appreciate it, but its a hell of gesture for a Floridian to make. ;)). In the interest of staying out jail, and avoiding frostbite, I'll show up fully clothed and offer to shovel her walk. Thing is, I have zero confidence in either party having the stones to actually follow through on this issue.
FQ13
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Tell you what`if she runs`with that platform, I will not just vote for her. I will show up bare`ass naked at her house in January to apologize for every bad thing I've ever said about her.. (On consideration, she probaly won't appreciate it, but its a hell of gesture for a Floridian to make. ;)). In the interest of staying out jail, and avoiding frostbite, I'll show up fully clothed and offer to shovel her walk. Thing is, I have zero confidence in either party having the stones to actually follow through on this issue.
FQ13
OR..............you could just move in next door to her?
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Hurry, Jeb, maybe we can steer em like cattle across the border. They will come to Texas and go to the oil spill up. You gotta keep them in work, or they will fill up the streets.