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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: ericire12 on June 18, 2010, 08:51:18 AM
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It starts out cute, but gets pretty rough
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Woulda been lunch!
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Woulda been lunch!
I have to disagree. Discharging a firearm in a residential area like the one shown in the video is a bad idea.
Here is what I would do:
I would draw and start charging… yelling authoritativly and trying to be as menacing as possible and hopefully the deer would back off. If not, I would start kicking at the deer and see if that would make it back down.
I would not fire unless the deer started to attack me or squared up and started to get aggressive with me. I dont think you can justifiably discharge a firearm in that area in defense of a dog that will probably have to be put down anyway. Being able to tell the cop that you fired to defend your own life (or any other human life) is vastly different and IMO much easier to justify.
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This video was posted on the aussie forum I inhabit.
Most of the comments was directed at the cat causing the angst and the dog copping it. ???
My thoughts was (tone down and modified for a more refined audience like DRTV ;D )
Stupid #$^#ing people should think themselves lucky it was a dog that got clobbered and not some three year old wandering out looking at bambi.
Wild animals are wild animals not the sh#t they see on a walt disney cartoon.
It continues to baffle me when people take videos of bears, tigers and lions etc that they hand raise and show them on TV and tell every one how kind, and gentle they are when all they are doing is inviting some tard with no common sense to try and get a little closer in the wild which gets them killed. Not all deer are bambi, not all bears are gentle ben, Lions are simba the whitle lion and tigres are not Tigger from winnie the farkin poo. Idiots like steve irwn and jack hannah have a lot to answer for as does Walt bloody Disney for humanising wild animals in the first place.
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What Sledge said, +1.
So many people seem to think wild animals are like Disney's audioanimatronics and simply do not understand the concept of wild animals. Similarly, these same sorts of innocents think of the wilderness as if it were a Disney theme park. They go into it, unprepared, and too often need rescuing at great expense to the taxpayer.
I would strongly support having the great expanses of American wilderness turned into a "you're on your own" zones. Explore, hunt, fish, trek, hike, climb or whatever. But, if you get your azz in a jam, you better think about self-rescue, because no one on the taxpayers' dime is coming to get you. That would give greater access to those of us who prepare for what we may encounter. And Darwin would take care of the others. Seems like a win/win to me.
Still, I feel sorry for the "city" dog who had no idea what a deer would do. And, I feel sorry for the dogowner who was unprepared to obtain a venison roast.
Thoughtfully offered by Crusader who would not get close enough to take a deer hoof to the head (you go ahead with that one, Eric), but would get close enough to place a .40 S&W Gold Dot between the deer's ears.
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Even here in the civilized 'burbs 40 miles from Boston, I carry a .357 in my hand when I take out the trash after dark. I have to walk about a hundred feet to the barrel.
We've had numerous 'yote and bear sightings recently in this part of the state because it's not legal to hunt them this far east.
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Sledge is completely wrong. The "humanization of Wild animals by outfits like Disney is an excellent aid to Darwinian selection. The folks who can't tell "The Lion King" from a REAL lion are no loss when they wind up as a lion turd.
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Sledge is completely wrong. The "humanization of Wild animals by outfits like Disney is an excellent aid to Darwinian selection. The folks who can't tell "The Lion King" from a REAL lion are no loss when they wind up as a lion turd.
Yes and no, yes it works on "special" people (frankly good riddence) but it also works on the latte sippas that never see an animal in the wild or venture past their favourite muffin shop for their chai soy latte and vegan bran muffins. These are the asswipes of humanity that pay big $$ to such organisations such as PETA, ALF who through their influence change the peoples perceptions further by their so called information packages distributed to school kids, lobbying half assed politicians etc ergo stupid laws, rules and legislation are passed on recreational hunting and vermin control by people who quite frankly have NFI. ie releasing wild wolf populations back in to ranching areas and farms.
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Thoughtfully offered by Crusader who would not get close enough to take a deer hoof to the head (you go ahead with that one, Eric), but would get close enough to place a .40 S&W Gold Dot between the deer's ears.
Well, I'm not as old and slow as that grey beard in the photo, (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=4643;type=avatar) so I think I would be up for getting a good swift kick or two in that might change that doe's mind. ;)
-ericire12, who will not often pass up a chance to remind rabbit that he is.................................... OLD! ;D
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Nobody thought to throw something at the deer while it was stomping the dog?
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Nobody thought to throw something at the deer while it was stomping the dog?
Why didn't somebody throw something a the dizzy broad to get her to stop screaming?
Not worth drawing a weapon on. Run at the fawn and make noise to get the does attention off the dog than up on a car when it came your way.
Wild mom's are protective. Be glad it wasn't a moose.
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Still amazes me how people react to animal being animals ::)
Mom's will always protect their young! :o
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I have (to no one's surprise) a slightly different take on this. First, if it was my dog, I would want to shoot. I always carried four slugs in my front pocket when quail hunting in SW Texas, laws be damned, in case my dog ran into javelinas. Still, Eric is right. There was a house behind that deer. Who knows who was inside? I love my dog, but not enough to endanger an innocent for her. Where Eric is not just wrong, but bat shit crazy, is taking on that deer hand to hand. Let me tell you, as silly as it sounds, that deer could do a human just as quick as it did that dog. Those hooves are sharp, the deer is strong and it is running on pure "fight or flight" instincts. Going up against a 110 pound doe protecting its fawn unarmed is just begging for an embarrassing obituary. The "try to distract it" strategy seems to be the best you could do. Putting down the camcorder and making a bluff charge would seem to be the only responsible option. Unless you had your light sabre... ;D
FQ13
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What Sledge said, +1.
So many people seem to think wild animals are like Disney's audioanimatronics and simply do not understand the concept of wild animals. Similarly, these same sorts of innocents think of the wilderness as if it were a Disney theme park. They go into it, unprepared, and too often need rescuing at great expense to the taxpayer.
I would strongly support having the great expanses of American wilderness turned into a "you're on your own" zones. Explore, hunt, fish, trek, hike, climb or whatever. But, if you get your azz in a jam, you better think about self-rescue, because no one on the taxpayers' dime is coming to get you. That would give greater access to those of us who prepare for what we may encounter. And Darwin would take care of the others. Seems like a win/win to me.
Still, I feel sorry for the "city" dog who had no idea what a deer would do. And, I feel sorry for the dogowner who was unprepared to obtain a venison roast.
Thoughtfully offered by Crusader who would not get close enough to take a deer hoof to the head (you go ahead with that one, Eric), but would get close enough to place a .40 S&W Gold Dot between the deer's ears.
I agree with you to a point. I in absolute favor of self rescue. IF it is possible. Sometimes it's not. This is where accident investigation comes into play. Because I don't care how salty you are, sometimes $hit just happens, and there is no way to prevent it. Many of the access fees not to mention part of the money you pay for hunting and fishing licenses goes towards rescue funding. For LEGITIMATE rescues I have no problem with this money being spent. It is a far different story when someone goes out there completely unprepared, and without proper equipment/ training and gets themselves into trouble. These are the people that need to receive a bill.
I realize that someone will tell me that's not fair, and who gets to determine who gets the bill. But honestly, someone who has to be rescued because they got caught in a storm with no jacket and wearing sandals obviously is unprepared. Versus someone who is equipped and experienced that falls and breaks a leg.
Just my .02 having been on both ends of wilderness rescues.
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That dog wasn't even close to the deer and got stomped, while the cat who was looking for trouble got off lightly. Poor doggy.
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Seems the "CAT", was fine, right up until the "CAT" started s*** at the end. ;)
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That was a bad deal, starting with people ( stupid people video taping cute wild animals in the hood ), ending with probably a dead dog, that had no interest in a fight, and no protection from its owners. I would have shot the doe, and probably would have gotten away with it here where I live, however, from the video, the opportunity was the slightest of windows, you would have to be right there, see the imminent danger and react, that dog was done for in under 20 seconds. To me it would have been no different than defending your pet from a pit bull, or coyote, sad for the other side, but your pet is your responsibility, both as an aggressor or to defend.
2 stories, LE friend of mine shot a doe with a Ruger .44mag carbine, going away shot, she fell down, he went to retrieve and she got up, he shot again, and she fell down, long story short, as he approached her, she was still breathing, he pulled out his knife to cut her throat, well she had different ideas and they fought, he did win, but told me, after 20yrs in Law Enforcement in one of the roughest areas of Dallas, that was the worse beating he ever took. Probably why when that happened to me, I had a Glock 21 in my strong hand, and when the deer popped up quick as lightning, I shot him 7 times, my partner in crime behind, said " I'm not sure I saw 7, but I definitely saw 6 cases in the air at the same time " Don't fight wild animals, they have a commitment we only dream of having to live.
Story 2, my Brother in law, was working on his car in George West TX, when a doe walked up on him and a friend, he grabbed a claw hammer and beat it to death, made the papers, unfortunately it turned out to be an escaped pet, he did clean it and eat it. No charges filed.
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Stupid #$^#ing people should think themselves lucky it was a dog that got clobbered and not some three year old wandering out looking at bambi.
Wild animals are wild animals not the sh#t they see on a walt disney cartoon.
It continues to baffle me when people take videos of bears, tigers and lions etc that they hand raise and show them on TV and tell every one how kind, and gentle they are when all they are doing is inviting some tard with no common sense to try and get a little closer in the wild which gets them killed. Not all deer are bambi, not all bears are gentle ben, Lions are simba the whitle lion and tigres are not Tigger from winnie the farkin poo. Idiots like steve irwn and jack hannah have a lot to answer for as does Walt bloody Disney for humanising wild animals in the first place.
Totally agree, Sledge.
I remember being on a school trip to the Okefenokee Swamp (national park; wildlife refuge, I believe) in Folkston, GA. The park rangers told us to not feed the alligators, which were plentiful in the swamp. We took a boat ride and a girl in the boat behind us tried to feed one of the alligators. Well the alligator was evidently unimpressed with her show of hospitality and made a deep bellow that made the hair on the back all of our necks stand up. The girl panicked and nearly capsized their boat. Totally stupid....
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2 stories, LE friend of mine shot a doe with a Ruger .44mag carbine, going away shot, she fell down, he went to retrieve and she got up, he shot again, and she fell down, long story short, as he approached her, she was still breathing, he pulled out his knife to cut her throat, well she had different ideas and they fought, he did win, but told me, after 20yrs in Law Enforcement in one of the roughest areas of Dallas, that was the worse beating he ever took.
There is a reason for the "15 minute rule" Operator. You shoot your deer/hog with a bow or a gun. You then stay very still for 15 minutes before following up. The reason is that a wounded animal will lay down to die. One that feels its being pursued will get an adrenilan dump that will have it heading for the next county or kicking your ass if you are dumb enough to choose a knife. Sit and wait. Its a classic for a reason.
FQ13
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Eric, I'll see you your video and raise you one of my favorites:
Or
Deer schmeer....we don't need no steeenkin' deer....
;D ;D ;D
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That first one you posted was actually a guy who was testing deer urine (or something similar) as an attractant.... He put it all over himself on purpose.
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I have to disagree. Discharging a firearm in a residential area like the one shown in the video is a bad idea.
Here is what I would do:
I would draw and start charging… yelling authoritativly and trying to be as menacing as possible and hopefully the deer would back off. If not, I would start kicking at the deer and see if that would make it back down.
I would not fire unless the deer started to attack me or squared up and started to get aggressive with me. I dont think you can justifiably discharge a firearm in that area in defense of a dog that will probably have to be put down anyway. Being able to tell the cop that you fired to defend your own life (or any other human life) is vastly different and IMO much easier to justify.
I have to disagree with ya Eric, if were my dog and I thought I could make the shot without hitting any people or the dog it would have been meat for the food bank. Those hooves are like knives and I'm not getting any where near them.
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Peg-
That first one you posted was actually a guy who was testing deer urine (or something similar) as an attractant.... He put it all over himself on purpose.
Yeah, I knew that...but it was still funny as hell.
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Peg-
That first one you posted was actually a guy who was testing deer urine (or something similar) as an attractant.... He put it all over himself on purpose.
Oh...that is good to know. It will come in real handy. I'll have to get the product the next time I want to get trashed by a deer. ;D ;D ;D
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Totally agree, Sledge.
I remember being on a school trip to the Okefenokee Swamp (national park; wildlife refuge, I believe) in Folkston, GA. The park rangers told us to not feed the alligators, which were plentiful in the swamp. We took a boat ride and a girl in the boat behind us tried to feed one of the alligators. Well the alligator was evidently unimpressed with her show of hospitality and made a deep bellow that made the hair on the back all of our necks stand up. The girl panicked and nearly capsized their boat. Totally stupid....
and I rest my case!
The more people interact and want to play god with wild animals the less they will feel threatened and accidents occur. In the top end of australia, tourists are taken out in boats, they all hang out over the side as idiots with large poles feed the crocs chooks. ergo crocs associate people with food.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37788628/ns/travel/
Grizzly kills man near Wyoming's Yellowstone park
CHEYENNE, Wyo. - A grizzly bear killed a Wyoming man outside Yellowstone National Park, apparently just hours after researchers trapped and tranquilized the animal.
The attack happened Thursday in the same place where two researchers with the Interagency Grizzly Bear Study Team had examined a large adult male grizzly earlier that day, Park County Sheriff Scott Steward said Friday.
The suspect bear was wearing a radio collar. Authorities didn't intend to venture into the woods to chase the animal, however
They hoped to trap it — again — and do DNA testing to see if it was indeed responsible.
"Certainly there is a good chance it was the bear they were working on," Steward said. "There's certainly the exception, where it's just another bear."
Shoshone National Forest officials closed off the Kitty Creek area, about six miles outside the Yellowstone East Entrance, until further notice.
"There have been Forest Service people in the area talking to people who live in those cabins, and at the lodges around there, letting them know what's going on," forest spokeswoman Susan Douglas said Friday.
The victim was Erwin Frank Evert, 70, who went hiking around 12:45 p.m. from his cabin in the Kitty Creek drainage.
When Evert didn't return, his wife went looking for him and met one of the bear researchers. The researchers had been getting ready to leave the area but one of them returned to the place where they had found the bear in a previously set trap, then tranquilized the animal for study.
The researcher found Evert's body where they had left the bear to wake up, about two miles from Evert's cabin.
"My heart goes out for the victim and the family involved in this. Nobody would want anything like this to happen," Chuck Schwartz, head of the Interagency Grizzly Bear Study Team based in Bozeman, Mont., said Friday.
The team is made up of federal and state biologists who monitor and study grizzlies in the Yellowstone ecosystem.
The researchers also had trapped and tranquilized another grizzly in the area Thursday.
Schwartz said there would be an investigation, including into whether required procedures were followed, such as posting warning signs about the grizzly research.
Schwartz said it wasn't certain whether the trapped grizzly had mauled Evert. But Chris Servheen, grizzly bear recovery coordinator with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, said it's unlikely that another grizzly would have been in the same area as the large adult male.
"There's a very, very high probability that it was this bear," Servheen said.
The Wyoming Game and Fish Department was working Friday to try to recapture the bear, agency spokesman Eric Keszler said.
Grizzly bears have been back on the federal list of threatened species since last year.