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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: billt on June 21, 2010, 11:25:55 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USAUn3lsUSA
This is actually a You Tube video of a Sig Sauer P-229. At around the 2:00 minute mark a companion is shooting a Walther P-22, and the Aluminum slide cracks in half. Bill T.
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My daughter has a P-22. She won't shoot it anymore, it's always giving her problems. I offered to melt it down into jewelry for her...
Her Sig never fails!
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*That guy sure likes the word fu-ck
**Bill, learn how to post vids
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I've got 2 P22's that have a combined total of almost 75K rds between them with 0 issues. I guess it's a matter of luck.
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**Bill, learn how to post vids
Does the link not work for you? Bill T.
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What surprised me in the video was learning the slide is made from Aluminum. If it is Aluminum and it's die cast not milled, it's not surprising it failed. The Colt, (Umarex) AR-15 .22's are experiencing the same problem with the lowers. Many are cracking because they are die cast and not milled, and or forged. I don't mind cost saving measures, just as long as quality doesn't suffer to the point of hit or miss failure. Bill T.
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Cost savings are one thing but the P22 is anything but inexpensive as .22's go in pricing.
$350.00 bucks if memory serves, about twice that of a Ruger plinker.
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Cost savings are one thing but the P22 is anything but inexpensive as .22's go in pricing.
$350.00 bucks if memory serves, about twice that of a Ruger plinker.
I have 3 Ruger .22 autos. 2 Mark II's, and a new Mark III I just bought a couple of months ago. All 3 run like Rolex's, and are made from STEEL. Bill T.
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I have 3 Ruger .22 autos. 2 Mark II's, and a new Mark III I just bought a couple of months ago. All 3 run like Rolex's, and are made from STEEL. Bill T.
Exactly!
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I have 3 Ruger .22 autos. 2 Mark II's, and a new Mark III I just bought a couple of months ago. All 3 run like Rolex's, and are made from STEEL. Bill T.
I have 2 Ruger Mark II's that have eaten a lot of rounds. I have my grandpa's Mark I, from 1958. It has eaten more, as has my father's Mark I, that him and his 4 sons have put over 100,000 rounds through. They are beasts that will take it and those Mark I's have no bolt stop, so the last trigger pull is a click on the empty chamber. Ruger's auto pistols are the stuff!
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Does the link not work for you? Bill T.
Bill, yours works for me, Eric's doesn't work for me........
Eric, learn how to post a video! :)
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WTF?? Oh wait, that was already, stated....numerous times,..... Damn, I thought the Sig Mosquito was bad,.... :P
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It sucks to be the guy in the video but at least it didn't blow up in his hand. Another Ruger .22 fan here. I don't know if they ever break but mine both work great.
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I have 3 Ruger .22 autos. 2 Mark II's, and a new Mark III I just bought a couple of months ago. All 3 run like Rolex's, and are made from STEEL. Bill T.
But I will bet that the frame, slide, and many internals are cast steel
.010 inch under that nice Blued steel, could be a complete void, it's called porosity and it's fairly common. ;D
At a former employer I saw the receivers rejected for surface porosity set aside. They were later dipped in "RealTree" Camo goop and the price went up.
( Ruger semi auto's don't excite me, Buckmark ! ;D )
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But I will bet that the frame, slide, and many internals are cast steel
.010 inch under that nice Blued steel, could be a complete void, it's called porosity and it's fairly common.
There is a huge difference between vacuum furnace, investment cast steel, and die cast Aluminum. Ruger is one of the world leaders in modern investment casting. The receiver for the Model 77 bolt action rifle is investment cast, as is the Mini 14 receiver, and the Ruger #1 Rifle, considered to be one of the strongest actions on the market today. They are every bit as strong as any receiver that is milled from solid. Porosity is all but non existent in modern steel, vacuum investment cast furnaces.
The same is not true in Aluminum die casting. If an Aluminum Die Cast Mold is not properly vented, or if it doesn't include enough overflows, or if the overflows are not large enough, or if the shot pressure is not high enough, or if the shot pressure is too high, or if the metal temperature is not hot enough, or if the metal it too hot, porosity, as well as voids, short fills, and crystallization can and do occur. That's way too many "if's" for something that needs to be as durable as a slide on an auto pistol.
As was pointed out, for the price of the Walther P-22, (mid $300.00 range), there is no reason the slide should not be made of steel. There is just zero reason for a slide to fail like that on a .22 rimfire. The Ruger .22 Auto frames are actually made from stamped steel, much like the receiver of an AK-47, and have been for almost as long. No one questions the durability of an AK. The bolts are turned from steel bar stock. And in spite of the steel construction, the street price of the standard models of the Ruger Mark III's are in the low to mid $200.00 range. I actually liked the Walther, and for a time was considering buying one. But the performance was just too spotty for a pistol in that price range. You shouldn't have to gamble when you buy a .22 for over $300.00 in today's market, and or economy. Bill T.
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I'll take my Buck Mark Micro bull barrel any day. Walther = Jimenez. Pot metal!