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Title: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: ericire12 on June 24, 2010, 12:00:17 PM
Looks like a dressed up Mosin Negant to me:

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/finnish-m28-76-7-62x54r-27in-target-rifle-very-good-condition/products_id/4438?osCsid=ede506c6c5ad70f53aeee8eb2d8e006a

(http://www.jgsales.com/images/1%20Finn%20M27-76%207.62x54R%2027in%2015-1873.jpg)
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Finnish M28/76 7.62X54R 27in Target Rifle.
$949.95

Finnish M28/76 bolt action special target rifles chambered for 7.62x54R. These rare and collectible rifles were designed and used by the Finnish Army for marksmanship qualification, military competition, and sniper training. The M28/76 features a birch stock with intense palm swells and metal reinforced accessory rails for shooting slings. They are built around M28/30 rifles, legendary for their accuracy, which is assisted by bedding the actions to free-float the target barrels. The bolt handles are bent to ease operation past the intricate diopter sights. These rifles are used and will show signs of wear but they are in overall very good condition. Come with a hard case. C&R Eligible.
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: tt11758 on June 24, 2010, 02:45:13 PM
Looks like a dressed up Mosin Negant to me:




That's what I thought!!!
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: twyacht on June 24, 2010, 03:30:20 PM
Someone put a fancy stock, and sight, on an otherwise J&G Moisin.

Remember the phrase, "Sucker born every minute"....
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: tt11758 on June 24, 2010, 04:00:53 PM
Someone put a fancy stock, and sight, on an otherwise J&G Moisin.

Remember the phrase, "Sucker born every minute"....


From that sage philosopher, Phineas T. Barnum.
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: philw on June 24, 2010, 05:12:37 PM
wow


it was NOT being sold on usedguns.com.au if it was I would of thought it would of been more hehe   ;D

Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: Fatman on June 24, 2010, 07:29:12 PM
I'd buy it if it came with the extremely rare 'Snowwis' scope.


(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff17/TomMcC01/011510011606010301200808273345d70bf.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: m25operator on June 24, 2010, 08:06:05 PM
I will agree, the price is TOO high, but it is a piece of history, and probably accurate to boot.  I think it ought to be priced like the Swedish target Mausers, in the 600 range, as the sights themselves have collectability, in the 200 dollar range. The Finns are fine builders of firearms, from any era. Valmet, or Sako, which I own only 1, a .338 WM Finnbear, great rifle, smooth as butter and I have made 350 yard shots successfully 1st round 1 shot kill.
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: Texas_Bryan on June 24, 2010, 08:16:25 PM
Crazy expensive for its utility?  Yes.  But I like it, I modeled a video game rifle that was based on that pic. ;D
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: fightingquaker13 on June 25, 2010, 02:54:02 AM
You only have to sell three to get an ACR. $2700 for a $1100 rifle.  Making you a much classier sucker. ;D
FQ13
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 25, 2010, 12:07:34 PM
It's probably worth more than we think.
Finnish "Mosin Nagant" ?  Maybe, Just like the Valmet is "another AK".
This is probably a VERY accurate rifle.
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: david86440 on June 25, 2010, 12:40:10 PM
I agree they are over priced, but the point you are missing is that the Fins used Mosins as the base for most of their wartime rifles and being a relatively small country means there are a relatively few of these guns available and thus, are very collectible.



This is the email that I received from J&G. At what point did they take Mosin out of the description?


FINNISH MOSIN M28 TARGET RIFLES NOW AVAILABLE !!

These rare and unusual rifles from Finland will enhance any military collection! They are Finnish built target model 28's called the 28/76, using a Russian Mosin design receiver, a 27 inch barrel (some barrels may be Sako), a fully adjustable diopter rear sight with globe front sight, and a heavy target stock, with palm swells, accessory rails, and checkered buttplate. Also has a 2-stage precision trigger, and a bent bolt handle too. The were adopted as target rifles and adapted from the original M28/30 rifles. An interesting piece of history, now down to $949.95 each.
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 26, 2010, 02:04:54 AM
Sorry to be picking nits here David, but if the "Russian designed receivers" were actually manufactured, rather than reworked, by the Finn's, it could be one heck of a rifle.
Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: twyacht on June 26, 2010, 05:33:33 AM
Interesting read on the Finn Sniper "White Death" Simo Hayha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

was a Finnish  sniper. Using a standard iron-sighted, bolt action rifle in the Winter War, he has the highest recorded number (505) of confirmed kills in any major war.[1][2]



Häyhä used a Finnish variant, M/28, of the Russian Mosin-Nagant rifle (known as "Pystykorva" rifle, meaning "spitz"),
because it suited his small frame (5 ft 3 in/1.60 m). He preferred to use iron sights rather than telescopic sights to present a smaller target (the sniper must raise his head higher when using a telescopic sight), to prevent visibility risks (a telescopic sight's glass can fog up easily), and aid concealment (sunlight glare in telescopic sight lenses can reveal a sniper's position). Another tactic used by Häyhä was to compact the snow in front of him so that the shot wouldn't disturb the snow and reveal his position. He also kept snow in his mouth so that when breathing the steam would not give him away.

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Many remember Simo Häyhä only as using the Mosin Nagant M28 or M28/30 rifle with open sights and only credit his high kill total to his role as a sniper; however, this is not entirely correct as Häyhä was also an expert with the Suomi K31 SMG and a large number of the Soviets that he felled were from his K31. 

Still don't know about $900 price though.

Title: Re: $950 for an $80 rifle ???
Post by: david86440 on June 26, 2010, 12:43:55 PM
Sorry to be picking nits here David, but if the "Russian designed receivers" were actually manufactured, rather than reworked, by the Finn's, it could be one heck of a rifle.

I wouldn't pay the price, but that still doesn't change their collector value to those that are into Mosins.