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Oakland pot-growing plan worries small bud tenders
By LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer Lisa Leff, Associated Press Writer 25 mins ago
OAKLAND, Calif. – After weathering the fear of federal prosecution and competition from drug cartels, California's medical marijuana growers see a new threat to their tenuous existence: the "Wal-Marting" of weed.
The Oakland City Council on Tuesday will look at licensing four production plants where pot would be grown, packaged and processed into items ranging from baked goods to body oil. Winning applicants would have to pay $211,000 in annual permit fees, carry $2 million worth of liability insurance and be prepared to devote up to 8 percent of gross sales to taxes.
The move, and fledgling efforts in other California cities to sanction cannabis cultivation for the first time, has some marijuana advocates worried that regulations intended to bring order to the outlaw industry and new revenues to cash-strapped local governments could drive small "mom and pop" growers out of business. They complain that industrial-scale gardens would harm the environment, reduce quality and leave consumers with fewer strains from which to choose.
"Nobody wants to see the McDonald's-ization of cannabis," Dan Scully, one of the 400 "patient-growers" who supply Oakland's largest retail medical marijuana dispensary, Harborside Health Center, grumbled after a City Council committee gave the blueprint preliminary approval last week. "I would compare it to how a small business feels about shutting down its business and going to work at Wal-Mart. Who would be attracted to that?"
The proposal's supporters, including entrepreneurs more disposed to neckties than tie-dye, counter that unregulated growers working in covert warehouses or houses are tax scofflaws more likely to wreak environmental havoc, be motivated purely by profit and produce inferior products.
"The large-scale grow facilities that are being proposed with this ordinance will create hundreds of jobs for the city," said Ryan Indigo Warman, who teaches pot-growing techniques at iGrow, a hydroponics store whose owners plan to apply for one of the four permits. "The ordinance is good for Oakland, and anyone who says otherwise is only protecting their own interests."
Council members Rebecca Kaplan and Larry Reid, who introduced the plan, have pitched it largely as a public safety measure.
The Oakland fire department blames a dramatic rise in the number of electrical fires between 2006 and 2009 in part to marijuana being grown indoors with improperly wired fans and lights. The police department says eight robberies, seven burglaries and two murders have been linked to marijuana grows in the last two years.
Reid and Kaplan also are open about their desire to have the city, which last week laid off 80 police officers to save money, cash in on the medical marijuana industry it has allowed to thrive.
Oakland's four retail marijuana stores did $28 million in business last year, and if sales remain constant, the city would get $1.5 million this year from a dispensary business tax that voters adopted last summer. A similar tax on wholesale pot sales from the permitted grow sites to the dispensaries would bring in more than twice that amount, the city administrator's office has estimated.
"Allowing medical cannabis and medical cannabis products to be produced in a responsible, aboveboard and legitimate way will be a benefit to the patients, to the workers and to the people of Oakland," Kaplan said.
Adding to the anxiety of growers — and the impetus Oakland officials have to get the grow tax in place — is a November state ballot measure to legalize marijuana possession for adult recreational use and authorize local governments to license and tax non-medical pot sales.
If it passes, Proposition 19 is expected to feed the state's hearty appetite for marijuana. Backers of creating the four big indoor gardens say the plan is not dependent on legalization, but would benefit from it.
"The reality is, this is an issue that is going to grow. I would like it to grow here. I would like it to be Oakland business and not the tobacco industry," Councilwoman Jean Quan said.
Regulating the supply side of the business would represent another turning point in California's complicated, 14-year-old relationship with medical marijuana. Although Maine, New Mexico and Rhode Island license nonprofit groups to produce and distribute cannabis, California's law is silent on cultivation other than for individual use.
Even as hundreds of storefront pot dispensaries, marijuana delivery services and THC-laced food products have flourished, the question of where they get their stashes remains murky: Inquiring is considered as impolite as asking someone's income or age.
Industry insiders usually say they rely on a variety of sources, including farmers who grow outdoors in the far northern end of the state, contractors who run sophisticated indoor operations, and customers who grow their own and sell the surplus.
Officials in Berkeley and Long Beach also are moving take the mystery out of medical marijuana production.
The Berkeley City Council last week approved a measure for the November ballot that would authorize the city to license and tax six pot cultivation sites. Companies running the facilities must agree to give away some pot to low-income users, employ organic gardening methods to the extent possible and offset in some way the large amount of electricity needed to grow weed.
Long Beach officials want to reduce the amount of medical marijuana being sold in the city that isn't grown there.
The city is in the process of trying to whittle its more than 90 dispensaries down to no more than 35 marijuana collectives through a lottery. License winners will be required to grow either at their retail sites or elsewhere in Long Beach and to open their books to prove they aren't growing more than enough to supply their members, said Lori Ann Farrell, Long Beach's director of financial management.
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"Adding to the anxiety of growers — and the impetus Oakland officials have to get the grow tax in place — is a November state ballot measure to legalize marijuana possession for adult recreational use and authorize local governments to license and tax non-medical pot sales."
FQ, and I and several others have been saying right along, "If you can't beat them, tax them." ;D
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San Fran is banning all soda machines on city property to make way for medical marijuana kiosks. Also banning the sale of all pets, EXCEPT GERBILS ;D
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medical marijuana is a crock of shit.
while it may do some good, the way its distributed in ca is bs. i could get my wife to write me a script for it right now. most of the people out there with the pot card just want to get high with out dealing with the cops. thats all its ever been, and all it ever will be.
ps gerbils are illegal in ca.
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I've been saying this for years... Pot and some other drugs should be like alcohol... age limits, have rules about driving or whatever, but sell it legally and tax it. We'll put people to work, gather more tax revenue, and put drug gangs out of business or at least collect taxes from the bastards.
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I've been saying this for years... Pot and some other drugs should be like alcohol... age limits, have rules about driving or whatever, but sell it legally and tax it. We'll put people to work, gather more tax revenue, and put drug gangs out of business or at least collect taxes from the bastards.
AMEN!
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You think taxing weed to raise revenue is something...
Just wait until you see Oakland's plan for their "medical" COKE machines.
Offered for the laugh value by a giggling Rabbit. ;D
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But CR, don't you know ?
"Everything goes better with Coke" ;D
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medical marijuana is a crock of shit.
Actually TAB, my wife was prescribed synthetic THC in tablet form to settle a gastrointestinal issue and it worked quite well. Made her a bit loopy but the doc decided she didn't want to follow that course of treatment. As to the smoking of herb to eleviate glaucoma pressure, I hear it's quite useful but I'm not an opthalmologist.
Alaska has done well with their one ounce or less laws and home cultivation and I don't see major issues! Ask an Alaskan...
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If you legalize and tax it at the point of sale, like booze, and butts, you eliminate most of the criminal element thereby saving LE funds to hunt killers and rapists, generate revenue, and influence society into a more law abiding mind set.
If you legalize and tax, people may complain about "got to go all the way to ..." but they will .
By passing laws that people ignore, like drug laws, or that will not be enforced, like immigration laws, generates a mind set that laws only have meaning if you feel like obeying them, both in the people, and in the government.
Things like lying on your taxes actually contributed to the bunch of A holes now serving (I use the term loosely ) in Government.
Dumb drug law led to Pelosi . :o
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Actually TAB, my wife was prescribed synthetic THC in tablet form to settle a gastrointestinal issue and it worked quite well. Made her a bit loopy but the doc decided she didn't want to follow that course of treatment. As to the smoking of herb to eleviate glaucoma pressure, I hear it's quite useful but I'm not an opthalmologist.
Alaska has done well with their one ounce or less laws and home cultivation and I don't see major issues! Ask an Alaskan...
if you read the rest of my post, you will see i'm not talking about the medical use itself, but the way its doens in ca.
oh and to those of you that think it will put crimals out of biz. that is not true, they will just look at other methods ofr making money.
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if you read the rest of my post, you will see i'm not talking about the medical use itself, but the way its doens in ca.
oh and to those of you that think it will put crimals out of biz. that is not true, they will just look at other methods ofr making money.
True but look at the drop in crime right after prohibition was lifted. Yes, they moved to other things, drugs being one of them. Let's take that out of their 'potential earnings' category as well.
Is it a 'panacea'? No but it is a good start on reducing crime, wasting LEO time, and lessening jail costs.
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Tax it, tax it, tax it....
Why?
How can you say "tax the hell out of it" for this and then bitch and wine about over taxation for everything else? Either the govt has enough money or they dont. You cant really pick and choose when and where the govt should go after more money. Just because it is a "politically correct" tax at the time (pot, cigarettes, oil companies?) doesnt mean that you should give govt a green light on a money grab.
Its also a pretty silly reason to want to legalize something. Either it should be legal or it shouldnt. Dont let govt patronize you into allowing them to make a money grab.
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True but look at the drop in crime right after prohibition was lifted. Yes, they moved to other things, drugs being one of them. Let's take that out of their 'potential earnings' category as well.
Is it a 'panacea'? No but it is a good start on reducing crime, wasting LEO time, and lessening jail costs.
i would predict a increase in crime. the gangs in the drug trade want to keep making money, so they would most likly move into other drugs, or crimes against other people.
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i would predict a increase in crime. the gangs in the drug trade want to keep making money, so they would most likly move into other drugs, or crimes against other people.
Maybe but I suggest that if they start actual crimes against the public they will soon be dead or behind bars. Drug crimes take forever to 'prove' (under cover stuff). Rob, rape or murder and the LEO will go after you now. Plus if they have to try and move into new areas (neighborhoods) they will find that not all of us will take it laying down and we don't think 'snitching' is a bad thing.
In other words welcome to the real world not your manufactured ghetto.
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haz, most of socal is the ghetto. oakland is the same way.