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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: BAC on July 24, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
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OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!
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;D
What gun?
What load?
.44 Mag can be a pleasant shooting round with the right load.
Of course, with the heavier stuff (think 300+ grain bullet above 1400 fps) it can leave you cross-eyed and filling-less.
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;D
What gun?
What load?
.44 Mag can be a pleasant shooting round with the right load.
Of course, with the heavier stuff (think 300+ grain bullet above 1400 fps) it can leave you cross-eyed and filling-less.
It was a rental S&W 629 with 240-grain FMJ flat nose Magtech rounds. Could I get used to it? Yes. Do I want to? No. Would I call it "pleasant" to shoot? Not just no, but Hell no. It was at an indoor range I found in my travels for work. The flame coming from the muzzle was pretty impressive, and the trigger was really nice ('specially single action).
Guess I'm just a wimp. :-[ I'll stick with my .357 magnum, thanks.
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You need to shoot a Ruger Redhawk. The one I had wasn't painful to shoot. Of course, that heavy 7 & 1/2 inch barrel out front probably helped.....
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You need to shoot a Ruger Redhawk. The one I had wasn't painful to shoot. Of course, that heavy 7 & 1/2 inch barrel out front probably helped.....
I handled a Redhawk with the 4" barrel once and it felt really good! the S&W's grip is much thinner. Could that be the problem (he said searching for ways to not appear so wimpy)?
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Might help with a wider grip. But I used the Hogue Rubber grip on my redhawk. Made all the difference.
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Doesn't matter either way. Can't even afford the grip right now. But I'm glad for the experience. ;D
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I handled a Redhawk with the 4" barrel once and it felt really good! the S&W's grip is much thinner. Could that be the problem (he said searching for ways to not appear so wimpy)?
Too late. My son took his first hog with that very gun....at 13 and he weighed about 80 pounds soaking wet (Son, not hog).
WIMP!
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Give it another go BAC, you'll like it!!
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Too late. My son took his first hog with that very gun....at 13 and he weighed about 80 pounds soaking wet (Son, not hog).
WIMP!
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Guilty as charged. :'(
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I handled a Redhawk with the 4" barrel once and it felt really good! the S&W's grip is much thinner. Could that be the problem (he said searching for ways to not appear so wimpy)?
No, no, no! The problem is obvious. The gun was a rental. We shooters all know rentals are never properly cleaned, so clearly the fouled barrel caused back pressure as the bullet was squozed (rednecktical term) down the barrel resulting in abnormal recoil.
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No, no, no! The problem is obvious. The gun was a rental. We shooters all know rentals are never properly cleaned, so clearly the fouled barrel caused back pressure as the bullet was squozed (rednecktical term) down the barrel resulting in abnormal recoil.
Works for me!
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The grips do sound like part of the problem, skinny grip gives you less control generally, now you might call a Hogue a skinny grip, but in reality is hand filling. Not saying you did this, but rule #1 of shooting hard recoiling hand guns, don't fight it, do not put a death grip on the grip and tense every muscle in your fore arms, with your arms stiff, the gun will win every time, grip the grip frame as hard as you would a hammer your about to drive a nail with, slightly bend the arms, relax, press the shot, the gun is going to recoil but up, not into your body, there is a time to bear down, and that is when you are being attacked, by some type of predator, then hunker down and take it, at that point you won't notice. I one handed a coyote out of my hunting blind with 300 grn XTP, because it was the most comfortable shot at the time, center punch through the chest. It was hunting the 2 puppies that had followed me to the blind who were curled up asleep at the foot to the tree.
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The grips do sound like part of the problem, skinny grip gives you less control generally, now you might call a Hogue a skinny grip, but in reality is hand filling. Not saying you did this, but rule #1 of shooting hard recoiling hand guns, don't fight it, do not put a death grip on the grip and tense every muscle in your fore arms, with your arms stiff, the gun will win every time, grip the grip frame as hard as you would a hammer your about to drive a nail with, slightly bend the arms, relax, press the shot, the gun is going to recoil but up, not into your body, there is a time to bear down, and that is when you are being attacked, by some type of predator, then hunker down and take it, at that point you won't notice. I one handed a coyote out of my hunting blind with 300 grn XTP, because it was the most comfortable shot at the time, center punch through the chest. It was hunting the 2 puppies that had followed me to the blind who were curled up asleep at the foot to the tree.
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I still use the old 'weaver' type stance and my 'gun arm' is slightly bent. Haz Jr uses the same stance. You 'control' or 'ride' the recoil, you do not fight it.
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Thanks for the advice, guys. I think I was fighting the recoil, not riding it. But I still like Fatman's explanation best. ;D Perhaps I'll give it another try. Anyone out there have a Redhawk and some ammo they want to let me borrow? Hmmmmmmm?
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I had an acquaintance that CC a model 29 Smith. He could one hand that thing all day but one of his fingers was about the size of a petite girls wrist. Monster hands on this guy...
I've shot that same 629 years ago as a youngster shooting holes clean through an old Mercedes behind the barn. Way too much fun for a twenty something to be having....
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The only guy I know up here who carries a 44 Mag is about 5'4" and 120 Lbs, ;D
He carries it when he goes fishing as there are a lot of bears up there, but it is kind of funny seeing this guy with a pistol almost as big as he is ;D
He's a real good guy though, so I don't tease him, much. ;D
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At least your NOT this guy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQgb0VoLc0
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At least your NOT this guy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQgb0VoLc0
:o
No, I don't have overalls. :)
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At least your NOT this guy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQgb0VoLc0
:o
Look close at the end, He still has the grip in his hand.
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Look close at the end, He still has the grip in his hand.
I never noticed that. You worked at TC Tom, how long is the stub where the grip is attached?
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there is a round piece that is about 3 inches long by 3/4 thick that the grip screw screws into.
It looks like that is what let go, odd, because it is part of the receiver casting.
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You can always try the patented Michael Bane Hammer-To-The-Foot Recoil Cure — borrow a .454 Ruger Alaskan, load it with Buffalo Bore hunting loads, fire 2 rounds, wrap shooting hand in Ben-Gay strips, wait 2 weeks and reshoot the .44 Magum. Miraculously, recoil will be reduced...sort of...
Michael B
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By that reasoning, every kid should to shoot .22 rifles by practicing with a .375 H&H . ::)
I'm OK with that ;D
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You need to shoot a Ruger Redhawk. The one I had wasn't painful to shoot. Of course, that heavy 7 & 1/2 inch barrel out front probably helped.....
My favorite handgun... I've had this one for a little over a year, and it's my favorite piece. Stainless in .44Mag with a 4 1/2" barrel. If it didn't make me walk with a limp (heavy) I'd probably carry concealed. There is certainly some recoil, but not much more than from my Glock 27 .40S&W. And it's a much more impressive weapon.
So, find yourself a Ruger and man-up. It's fun to shoot, accurate for a long ways, and if you go with .44 Specials, it isn't even terribly costly to make it go bang.
FWIW, Crusader.
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Guilty as charged. :'(
I have a Ruger Redhawk in .44 as does a mate (super redhawk) for fun down the range we take it in turns using each others shooting one in each hand with factory loads or stout hand loads. Now while we may not hit much its hell fun, just as long as you dont put your hands too close together as sometime the recoil will try to smack your thumb into the other revolver.
Dont give up on the .44, you will harden up with practice ;D
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having shot Sledge's .44 it is a sweet Pistol
we were hitting the target out to 200 yards with it lots of fun to hear the steel ringing as it hit :)
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All right, I'll give it another go. Have to find a place that has a Redhawk for rent.
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All right, I'll give it another go. Have to find a place that has a Redhawk for rent.
Fire a few cylinders of .44 special first, to learn the timing and feel of the gun.
Then go with a light magnum load around 1000-1100 fps with around a 200 grain bullet...if you have the opportunity to pick what loading you can fire.
Might have to look at some factory ammo sites to get the info.
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Here is an old article by none other than Skeeter Skeleton on the .44 magnum. Good reading.
http://www.darkcanyon.net/Can%20You%20Handle%20The%2044%20Magnum.htm
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My favorite handgun... I've had this one for a little over a year, and it's my favorite piece. Stainless in .44Mag with a 4 1/2" barrel. If it didn't make me walk with a limp (heavy) I'd probably carry concealed. There is certainly some recoil, but not much more than from my Glock 27 .40S&W. And it's a much more impressive weapon.
So, find yourself a Ruger and man-up. It's fun to shoot, accurate for a long ways, and if you go with .44 Specials, it isn't even terribly costly to make it go bang.
FWIW, Crusader.
Definitely one of my favorites to shoot. If I had the money I'd buy mine back from my friend. Shoots almost flat to 150 yds (Possibly farther. I never shot it farther than that.); Soft recoiling with the hogue grips (And I never shot Specials out of it. In that heavy monster, specials probably feel like a .22.); Can kill a bear. What's not to love? Well, maybe the weight. But it wasn't bad to carry in a Chest Holster. Of course with the 7 inch barrel, it wasn't designed to carry concealed.
When I bought it, I was warned not to shoot .44 Mag loads with the wood grips on it. I was told I'd be sorry I did. LOL.
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Guilty as charged. :'(
Fret not. Its a big cartridge. I had a model 94 carbine which I sold and semi-regret. Even in the carbine, it would thump you. Still, just like .357, you can down load it. They aren't exactly giving away .44, but its pleasant to shoot and probably a better choice for social work, unless you live out in the sticks. Save the .44 mag for hunting or bear defense and I promise you will never feel the recoil. ;)
FQ13 who has cast evious eyes on a 4" Redhawk more than once.
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Part that really stinks is that up here at least, there is no 44 special.
You have a better chance of finding cheap .380 :'(
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Part that really stinks is that up here at least, there is no 44 special.
You have a better chance of finding cheap .380 :'(
I've noticed that as well. Plus, when you can find it, it costs as much as, if not more than, .44 magnum.
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It was a rental S&W 629 with 240-grain FMJ flat nose Magtech rounds. Could I get used to it? Yes. Do I want to? No. Would I call it "pleasant" to shoot? Not just no, but Hell no. It was at an indoor range I found in my travels for work. The flame coming from the muzzle was pretty impressive, and the trigger was really nice ('specially single action).
Guess I'm just a wimp. :-[ I'll stick with my .357 magnum, thanks.
I have a big ole pry bar if you need to dig the front sight out of your forehead. ;D
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I have a big ole pry bar if you need to dig the front sight out of your forehead. ;D
ROFLMAO, perhaps you could send it accross for Philw to borrow so he can remove the scope when he uses the .243 WSSM hehehe oooh the shame!
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I was apprehensive the first time I shot a .44 mag from all the stories I heard. It was a old Vaquero with Winchester white box .240 grain. After I shot it, I couldn't understand all the hype about .44 mag recoil. I've shot a 5.5 inch Redhawk with rubber grips and the same load and that seems Ok also. Never shot a .44 Smith or Redhawk with wood grips, but would like to try them along with some stouter loads to see how it all stacks up.
BAC, youre not as much of a wimp as charged. There were a number of guys present when we were shooting the .44s, that wouldn't even try it. Now thats' a wimp.
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I dunno,...my thoughts are that the .44 ain't no big thing. Never shot bigger 'septin' my .45 Redhawk with hot loads doin' around 1200 fps with 250 gns. No big thing to me. Shot 'em with wood grips, rubber grips, seemed no big change to me.
YMMV
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Out of a 4 5/8" Super Blackhawk, these will thump you:
http://www.dakotaammo.net/CORregBON-Hunter/44-Rem-Mag-320gr-CORBON-Hunter-HC/HT44320HC-20/300/Product
(http://www.dakotaammo.net/assets/product_images/HT44320HC-LG.jpg)
COR®BON began as a custom bullet-making company; we made bullets for hunters going to Africa to hunt the Big 5 with a handgun. COR®BON's Bonded Core Soft Points are designed to retain their weight and stay together while crushing through heavy bone and tissue in large game. COR®BON's Penetrator and Hard Cast loads are designed for very large, tough-skinned and heavy-boned animals. The Penetrator loads use a heavy, full jacket with a hard linotype core. The Hard Cast load is made from a hard linotype lead with a proven LBT nose design. These two loads cause a through-and-through hole, breaking even the heaviest bones. Our customers have taken large game such as Moose, Brown Bear and Cape Buffalo with our Hard Cast and Penetrator loads.
* Caliber: 44 Rem Mag
* Bullet Wt.: 320gr COR®BON Hunter HC
* Velocity: 1175fps
* Energy: 981ftlbs
* Test Barrel Length: 8.375 Inches
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If'n ya want 'thumpers' try here http://www.buffalobore.com/
Heavy .44 Magnum +P+ Ammo - 340 gr. L.F.N. - G.C. (1,478 fps/M.E. 1,649 ft. lbs.)
5.5 inch factory stock Red Hawk - 1401 fps
7.5 inch factory stock Red Hawk - 1478 fps
more stats at this link http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=54
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If'n ya want 'thumpers' try here http://www.buffalobore.com/
Heavy .44 Magnum +P+ Ammo - 340 gr. L.F.N. - G.C. (1,478 fps/M.E. 1,649 ft. lbs.)
5.5 inch factory stock Red Hawk - 1401 fps
7.5 inch factory stock Red Hawk - 1478 fps
more stats at this link http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=54
Yeah, shot a cylinder full at the range that a friend had.
WOW!!!
I was posting something that was closer to 'normal' but still hot.
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I just got rid of my only .44 Mag revolver (still have my .44 Spl Bulldog). Going to stick with my .41s. Gave my 29-2 to my oldest son as a heirloom few weeks ago when I was home on leave. I'm back in Astan and he goes back to Iraq next month (4th deployment).
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Presenting_to_Richard.JPG)
CD
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CD,
Stay safe and God bless you both.
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Thanks, and Godspeed to you both.
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Watch your 6, and keep you powder dry.
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Watch your 6, and keep you powder dry.
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And what a cool thing to pass on to your son.
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+1
And what a cool thing to pass on to your son.
agreed!
stay safe! (both of you)