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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: alfsauve on July 26, 2010, 06:36:22 AM
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One of those other shows (and publications) runs a feature called "This Old Gun". Now I'm not that old and I don't have "that" many guns......(at least I haven't hit the point where I say, "enough"!) But I'm surprised how many guns I have, or had, show up on the show and the publication. (American Rifleman.....in case you didn't know.) And it's not that these are really O L D guns, most I bought new. I wish I could find a complete list of all the guns they've featured.
This past week they featured the Marlin Camp 9/45.....heck I bought it on a fluke from one of those catalog showroom (Service Merchandise) who was going out of the gun business. Among those I've seen on the show or in print include
Marlin Camp 9
Winchester 21 shotgun
Winchester 77 22.lr
S&W .32 short breaktop hammerless
H&R 999
Anybody else notice this trend or am I the only senior citizen?
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Anybody else notice this trend or am I the only senior citizen?
You're not the only one, but you ARE right up there! ;D
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Maybe us old timers need to ask the NRA for a list? I subscribe to American Hunter, so may not have seen the articles in question, even though many are repeats from the Rifleman mag. Oh well, they don't make them like they used to, eh?
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Last month the Magazine had the Savage Model 99.
My Dad has had several over the years . The first center fire rifle I ever shot was a 99 in .300 Sav. He now has one in .308.
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For Tombogan;
Just a family story of our Savage Mod 99. My Dad and 2 uncles just got out of the military after WW2. They got home had a wad of back pay in their pockets. They stopped in a "Joe the motorist" store and all 3 bought a Savage Mod 99 in 300sav. for a total of $90. The problem is that EACH rifle sold for $90. back then. So they made out and the salesman/kid was fired for his mistake. Back then there was no background check or waiting period and the handwritten sales reciept was always titled "cash".
Currently, my Dads oldest Grandson has it handed down to him. One Uncles son will never part with his and, the last uncle alive will give it to his only son.
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This past week they featured the Marlin Camp 9/45.....heck I bought it on a fluke from one of those catalog showroom (Service Merchandise) who was going out of the gun business. Among those I've seen on the show or in print inclu
What are you experiences with the Marlin Camp? Is it as poor as the piece makes it out to be?
I have a Camp 45, and I don't shoot it much. Took it apart once. ONCE. I'd rather use a MechTech CCU.
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What are you experiences with the Marlin Camp? Is it as poor as the piece makes it out to be?
It's a blowback 9mm with an long barrel and very crude trigger. Set expectations accordingly. It is however, robust, inexpensive (was), takes common magazines, is more accurate than a handgun and produces slightly higher velocities. The only problem was, after 20+ years, the recoil buffer crystallized and shattered into little pieces. Not expensive to replace ($1-2) and I ordered extra ones (Delrin). It is exactly what Marlin called it, a camp gun. Pick off stray dogs or coyotes. For an urban setting, it's the "pit bull attacking child in the street" gun (a very real possibility in my neighborhood). It is, in 9mm or 45, what the original Mini-14 was to .223, a throw in the back of the truck in case I need it gun.
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Ruger had the PC9 and PC4 but they never really took off. I have both and they shoot great and handle well. The only they I liked about the marlin was the fact it was made in .45acp. If Ruger had made a .45 I think the platform would have taken off.
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If somebody'd make a .45 ACP carbine that took GLOCK 21 or preferrably GLOCK 30 mags, (THat was affordable, unlike that KRISS.) I'd buy one.
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If somebody'd make a .45 ACP carbine that took GLOCK 21 or preferrably GLOCK 30 mags, (THat was affordable, unlike that KRISS.) I'd buy one.
Does any one offer a conversion for the Mag well ?
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If somebody'd make a .45 ACP carbine that took GLOCK 21 or preferrably GLOCK 30 mags, (THat was affordable, unlike that KRISS.) I'd buy one.
How about this? http://www.mechtechsys.com/glock.html
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I can't put a stock on my pistol BUT I can take a pistol and make it a carbine??
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I can't put a stock on my pistol BUT I can take a pistol and make it a carbine??
That's right, Because by putting a stock on a handgun you are manufacturing a "Short Barreled Rifle" which requires payment of a $200 tax and permission from the batf&e But by installing a longer barrel and stock you are making it a lot harder to conceal so no harm no foul...
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How about this? http://www.mechtechsys.com/glock.html
AAAAHHHHHH KOOL ADE IN MY EYE"S
Might be a handy little gun with the optic, but a hand gun is pretty much the same performance in a much more convenient package.
We are, after all, talking about a 2+ ft fire arm that gives you the same bullets as the G 26's several of you already carry.
That's right, Because by putting a stock on a handgun you are manufacturing a "Short Barreled Rifle" which requires payment of a $200 tax and permission from the batf&e But by installing a longer barrel and stock you are making it a lot harder to conceal so no harm no foul...
Barrel has to be over 16 inches though. As I under stand it you can go with something like a 14.25 barrel and a 2 inch compensator, flash suppressor etc, as long as it is permanently attached, (pinned, welded etc.) But as always, Mileage may vary in your area.
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The carbine has about 1/3 more power than the same ammo out of the pistol. +P .45 performance is great.
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If somebody'd make a .45 ACP carbine that took GLOCK 21 or preferrably GLOCK 30 mags
Another choice:
http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/sub2000.htm
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Anything but Keltec. >:(
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I would have bought the Kel-Tec if it was a .45, and if it was available back when I bought my Mech-Tech CCU. I use a Para frame and double-wide 15 round mags. I haven't tried my 20 round aftermarket mags yet. The only thing I don't like is that there's only one small nut and screw holding the stock on so I can't use it to butt-stroke anyone. :D
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Another choice:
http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/sub2000.htm
+1
Mine folds up and neatly and fits in a go-bag with ammo and G22 mags that also fit my G27.
Compact, light, and very accurate.
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Another choice:
http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/sub2000.htm
But they WON'T MAKE IT IN .45ACP! (Have thought about getting one in .40 though.)
And to the conversion unit, I'd rather have the carbine IN ADDITION to my pistol.
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Better to have it standard and not require a dremel monkey. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Hi-Point made their carbine to take a Glock mag in 9mm or .45 I'd buy one tommorow. Not out of brand loyalty, but just to get the thirty rounder and a good two gun set. Why they don't is beyond me as I'm sure I am not the only one to feel this way. They are turning down free money. I won't buy their carbine, or the Marlin, with its factory mags. But, as Alf said, for a throw it behind the seat gun, yeah, I'll take one.
FQ13
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FQ, it may have to do with patent rights on the Magazine design. Gaston seems to be a real hardnose about the business side of things.
To the point that one of his Partners tried to have him whacked.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/0331/064.html
Inside the secret and violent world of Gaston Glock, maker of the most popular firearm in U.S. law enforcement.
He is the man behind the gun. You don't mess with Gaston Glock.
His most trusted associate allegedly tried. Lured into a dimly lit garage in Luxembourg by his colleague Charles Ewert, the Austrian Glock stopped to look at a sports car at Ewert's suggestion. Suddenly, a massive masked man leaped from behind and smashed a rubber mallet into Glock's skull. Ewert fled to the stairwell. "I am a coward," he later told Forbes. With Glock off balance, the attacker landed another crushing blow. "I was fighting for my life," recalls Glock, 73, during a rare interview with the press.
Springing up on legs toned by miles of daily swimming, Glock thrust his enormous fist into his assailant's eye socket. As the would-be assassin staggered, Glock pounded again, knocking out a few of the man's teeth. The bloodied attacker staggered, then collapsed on top of Glock "with his arms outstretched like Jesus Christ," according to John Paul Frising, Luxembourg's deputy attorney general, who brought attempted murder charges against the attacker, the French-born Jacques (Spartacus) Pêcheur, 67. This was how the police found the two men at 9:30 a.m. on July 27, 1999.
Glock says he lost a quart of blood from cuts and abrasions and that he suffered seven head wounds. Yet as soon as he reached the hospital he summoned his personal bankers at UBS and Banque Ferrier Lullin. The banks held $70 million in cash, and Ewert had access to it all. By 12:30 p.m. Glock managed to move $40 million to a Swiss account. But by then Ewert had blocked the other $30 million with a court order. As he nursed his injuries, Glock wondered how he could have trusted the wrong man.
Last November Ewert was arrested and thrown into a Luxembourg jail, awaiting a Mar. 12 verdict following a three-week nonjury trial for attempted murder. If found guilty, Ewert could face up to 30 years in jail. He maintains his innocence, claiming he was framed--either by one of Glock's lawyers or family members or by the Austrian government--in order to be cheated out of his share of the company.
To appreciate the magnitude of this apparent betrayal, consider that the relationship between the two men had been a factor in the success of Glock GmbH. Ewert, a business consultant who once worked for the Luxembourg stock exchange, worked with Glock for 15 years as Glock's little-known gun became the sidearm of choice for U.S. law enforcement.