The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: ericire12 on July 29, 2010, 02:20:42 PM
-
Evil
assault assasination scopes:
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/07/gun-experts-pokes-holes-in-spy-s-excuse.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/29/2010-07-29_her_killer_assets_beautys_hitech_scopes_for_assassins_say_pros.html
High-tech scopes a young beauty tried to smuggle onto a Moscow-bound plane at Kennedy Airport are designed to help soldiers take out the enemy from a mile away.
Latvian-born lovely Anna Fermanova told federal agents she bought the three night-vision scopes for her husband's hunting pals in Russia.
Gun experts said yesterday her story doesn't make sense.
"These are used specifically for an assassination," said security consultant Bo Dietl, a former NYPD detective. "You're not going to hunt deer with a super scope. That's crazy.
"You could take someone out with one of these scopes in the dead of night from up to a mile-and-a-half-away," he said. "I have friends in Iraq who use these. These are the real deal."
Dan Wasserbly, a weapons expert with Jane's International Defence Review, said the $7,000 Raptor 4X Night Vision Weapons Sight that Fermanova had is so advanced the average U.S. soldier wouldn't use one.
And it's used for automatic assault weapons, not hunting rifles. "It's a piece of serious military hardware," he said.
Have fun reading these comments:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/aphextwin07/anna-fermanova-photos-sex_n_662139_55244809.html
Here is the scope:
http://www.morovision.com/weapons_sights/raptor.htm
Exit Question: Any documented proof of a mile and a half shot with a 4x scope ???
-
Would your average hunter use it... probably not. Would a poacher who could afford it... you betcha. What makes their experts experts? I can sort of see with the guy from Jane's although they're not what they used to be but the other guy sounds like the typical "ex-cop expert" who knows little to nothing about any firearms other than the one(s) they (barely) qualified with.
-
A lot varmints (coyote, etc) are taken at night (hogs too) on private land.
-
Also consider that most of us in Wyo use scopes that are variable 3x-12x and that 300yds is not considered a particularly long shot. Hell I have a 3x NVG scope on my .22 for prairie dogs! This is a NYC cop with no experience outside of his jurisdiction.
-
if i had the money and had a need to kill pests i'd buy one.
mount that on something in 300 whisper with a can and you would have a killer anit pest gun.
-
I have a 15x on my Weirhauch .22 AIR RIFLE. Yes, it's accurate enough to justify the scope.
Many air gun enthusiasts have night vision scopes because they hunt nocturnal varmints, like rats. Something I've considered buying but
it hasn't bubbled up to the top of my priority list.
-
I'm not really sure how many people would plan on taking a shot from a mile and a half out with an "automatic assault weapon."
-
In a somewhat off copy of Ted Nugent, if all my scopes were designed for assassinations, all of them are defective. Bill T.
-
On a more serious note, I do know that Cabela's, and several shooters supply companies will not ship any and all night vision products out of the United States. So she may be in trouble based on that alone, regardless of what her intentions were with them. Bill T.
-
Geez,.....Sportsmansguide.com has BSA 6-24x40mm Tactical Scopes for $49.97 Guaranteed to hit those prairie dogs, to 800 yds.
C'mon..... :-\ same website has Night Vision up to Level 2, laser designators,....probably find better stuff on ebay.... :P
Let alone the serious hunter that can invest some real "bling" into a quality scope and get it at Bass Pro, or Gander Mt.
Sheesh....
-
On a more serious note, I do know that Cabela's, and several shooters supply companies will not ship any and all night vision products out of the United States. So she may be in trouble based on that alone, regardless of what her intentions were with them. Bill T.
Dont remind me grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Cabelas will not ship anything hunting related out of the states ie scopes, mags, etc
Obumma and his administrations BS export licence laws all in the name of national security, ahhh phooey. They still havent got it through there thick heads that if one wanted to cause mayhem and damage it can be done in most cases with out the use of a firearm, one would think that 911, Oklahoma, Bali bombings, etc would have proved that.
-
Hey sledge.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=688921
;)
-
The problem with the cheap, ($500.00 and under), night vision, is all of them have Generation 1 Intensifiers. It has much the same effect as smearing Vaseline on the lens. It would really be difficult to pick out a Prairie Dog size target at 500+ yards with one. If you go up to Generation 4 or 5 you're looking at $4,000.00+ for anything decent. And with those models you have to be very careful. Pointing the scope at even a 100 watt light bulb for a few seconds can easily damage the intensifier. Bill T.
-
The problem with the cheap, ($500.00 and under), night vision, is all of them have Generation 1 Intensifiers. It has much the same effect as smearing Vaseline on the lens. It would really be difficult to pick out a Prairie Dog size target at 500+ yards with one. If you go up to Generation 4 or 5 you're looking at $4,000.00+ for anything decent. And with those models you have to be very careful. Pointing the scope at even a 100 watt light bulb for a few seconds can easily damage the intensifier. Bill T.
Considering Australia's "plight" with options and optics,,,,anything would be better than a full moon. ;)
-
Anything made in America, gen 3 or newer, no worry about bloom out pointing at bright images, lights or the moon, they shut themselves off quick. I grew up around Night Vision, My dad built them for 27 years, for Varo, the originator, of the Starlight telescope. Now many good companies make them, and some crappy imports, companies like Raytheon, Litton, and ITT make good stuff, still expensive, and if you move up to thermal imagery 7,000 + dollars, but very cool. I was playing with the good stuff when I was 12, as the company allowed my dad to check them out or borrow them.
-
The problem with the cheap, ($500.00 and under), night vision, is all of them have Generation 1 Intensifiers. It has much the same effect as smearing Vaseline on the lens. It would really be difficult to pick out a Prairie Dog size target at 500+ yards with one. If you go up to Generation 4 or 5 you're looking at $4,000.00+ for anything decent. And with those models you have to be very careful. Pointing the scope at even a 100 watt light bulb for a few seconds can easily damage the intensifier. Bill T.
Just a minor correction Bill. Most of the gen 3 and above that I have looked at have a built in auto shut off for what you are describing. Look at something too bright for the tube, it automatically turns off so not to damage it.