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Title: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: Diplomat on February 05, 2008, 12:01:50 AM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQhUeuiGC_s

I don't need to tell you... Always be alert.
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: DDMac on February 05, 2008, 06:24:46 AM: Makes my .380 look pretty small. Evasion and surprise. This same grocery store scenario happened at the Rio Ranch Market in Chino, Cal. just last month (gun-free zone). Boyfriend-girlfriend deal. Cops-1, Bad Guy-0, she lived.

Anyplace a woman can recharge her independence (her own money) is a target for attack by the overly dominant partner..

If you have ever seen a loud domestic dispute in a public place, you have seen the prelude. Mac.
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: pioneer on February 06, 2008, 04:26:13 PM: Too bad the cops set up a perimeter outside while the shooting was still going on. I won't second guess them cuz I wasn't there, but if only one officer had gone in to challenge the guy, perhaps lives could have been saved. That was one of the lessons of Columbine, and police began "active shooter" thinking and training. Before that the SOP was to set a perimeter to contain the situation and wait for SWAT.

"When seconds count, the police are just minutes away."

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb294/pioneer461/Police/4210.gif)
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: Diplomat on February 07, 2008, 12:40:37 AM: Quote from: DDMack on February 05, 2008, 06:24:46 AM
Makes my .380 look pretty small. Evasion and surprise. This same grocery store scenario happened at the Rio Ranch Market in Chino, Cal. just last month (gun-free zone). Boyfriend-girlfriend deal. Cops-1, Bad Guy-0, she lived.

Anyplace a woman can recharge her independence (her own money) is a target for attack by the overly dominant partner..

If you have ever seen a loud domestic dispute in a public place, you have seen the prelude. Mac.

Is there video on that incident?
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: Diplomat on February 07, 2008, 12:43:19 AM: Quote from: pioneer461 on February 06, 2008, 04:26:13 PM
Too bad the cops set up a perimeter outside while the shooting was still going on. I won't second guess them cuz I wasn't there, but if only one officer had gone in to challenge the guy, perhaps lives could have been saved. That was one of the lessons of Columbine, and police began "active shooter" thinking and training. Before that the SOP was to set a perimeter to contain the situation and wait for SWAT.

"When seconds count, the police are just minutes away."

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb294/pioneer461/Police/4210.gif)

You're right... Many departments have changed their active shooter policies since Columbine.
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: DDMac on February 07, 2008, 12:42:11 PM: No video. Just an Associated Press article dated Jan 6, 2008 found on my local TV web site. Mac.
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: HAWKFISH on February 11, 2008, 08:16:32 AM: Yeah that a perfect example of why we need concealed carry permits/laws. If the police can't protect you or even get to you in time.. one must be able to protect themselves. This is especially so if you are looking down the barrel of a 12 guage.
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: Diplomat on February 13, 2008, 11:25:39 PM: I wonder why the families of victims don't sue the attorney generals of the states that don't allow ccw. You can make the argument that if the victim had the option of carring they would and would have had a fighting chance.

I'm speaking in general... not just for this incident.
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: jaybet on February 14, 2008, 06:49:36 AM: Quote from: Diplomat on February 13, 2008, 11:25:39 PM
I wonder why the families of victims don't sue the attorney generals of the states that don't allow ccw. You can make the argument that if the victim had the option of carring they would and would have had a fighting chance.

I'm speaking in general... not just for this incident.
Taking that a step further, I wonder why the NRA doesn't have a legal department that operates like the ACLU does for criminals etc....a legal department that goes to bat against restrictive laws for the unarmed, victimized citizen. I would think that would be a great area to exploit with a heavy PR campaign.

Going even further (into the land of OZ) why doesn't the ACLU stand up for the 2nd amendment rights of citizens?
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: Hazcat on February 14, 2008, 07:05:47 AM: Quote from: jaybethel on February 14, 2008, 06:49:36 AM
Taking that a step further, I wonder why the NRA doesn't have a legal department that operates like the ACLU does for criminals etc....a legal department that goes to bat against restrictive laws for the unarmed, victimized citizen. I would think that would be a great area to exploit with a heavy PR campaign.

Going even further (into the land of OZ) why doesn't the ACLU stand up for the 2nd amendment rights of citizens?

That's the land of OZ for sure. I believe that according to the ACLU there are only 9 amendments in the Bill of Rights.
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: DDMac on February 14, 2008, 12:08:03 PM: Haz, I think the go by the Bill of Lefts. Mac.
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: jc451911 on February 17, 2008, 05:05:52 PM: No one is ever truly safe. If the good Lord says it's time, it's time. But a good .45 is good insurance;)

I think you guys are on to something here. We must start to find ways to actively change the way CCW is perceieved. I know we will never change the minds of dyed in the wool red commies in the government and media, but there are plenty of people who are on the fence or are just plain ignorant on the issue. The NRA is our best chance of getting the message across to the masses. Until our society grasps the concept that gun free zones and workplaces that forbid CCW are failing, these random acts of murder and mayhem will go on. The zero tolerance policies concerning guns are batting a big FAT ZERO!!
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: leatherman92 on February 17, 2008, 09:55:44 PM: carry @ walmart :)
Title: Re: If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video
Post by: Diplomat on February 17, 2008, 10:46:40 PM: Quote from: jaybethel on February 14, 2008, 06:49:36 AM
Taking that a step further, I wonder why the NRA doesn't have a legal department that operates like the ACLU does for criminals etc....a legal department that goes to bat against restrictive laws for the unarmed, victimized citizen. I would think that would be a great area to exploit with a heavy PR campaign.

Going even further (into the land of OZ) why doesn't the ACLU stand up for the 2nd amendment rights of citizens?

You make a great point Jay. I for one would donate a lot more to the NRA if they had that kind of department and stood behind good citizens as strongly as the ACLU stands behind criminals.