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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on August 14, 2010, 06:45:47 PM
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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38526
Roger Hedgecock
Obama is Another Herbert Hoover
by Roger Hedgecock
08/13/2010
When President Herbert Hoover persuaded Congress to raise federal taxes after the stock market crash of October 29, 1929, he transformed an economic downturn into a Great Depression.
Obama is condemned to Hoover's fate by repeating Hoover's mistake. A myriad of new taxes in Obama's healthcare "reform" and the financial regulation "reform" are going into effect and Obama has vowed to let the Bush tax cuts on the "rich" expire at the end of the year. Obama should listen to history.
Hoover, a Republican, responded to the effects of the 1929 market crash by increasing federal spending on public works, such as roads, through deficit spending. When the federal government started spending $2.5 million a day more than it took in, cries for "balancing the budget" gained political momentum. Sound familiar?
Unlike Obama, Hoover initially counted on cutting the budget to balance the budget. He reduced his own salary (from $75,000 to $60,000), made federal workers take unpaid vacations, and cut pension benefits to retired federal workers, including retired Gen. "Blackjack" Pershing. Hoover's wife, Lou, did not vacation in Spain.
But in 1932, Hoover, who had resisted calls to increase taxes to balance the budget, changed his mind. Hoover proposed increasing the personal income tax top rate and the estate tax rate from 23% to 45%, coupled with similar increases in the corporate and capital gains tax rates and the imposition of a new tax on gasoline.
In a dramatic personal appearance in the Senate, Hoover personally pleaded for his tax proposal, telling senators that they must raise taxes to help the unemployed and balance the budget. The American people, he said, "know from bitter experience that the course of unbalanced budgets is the road to ruin." The Senate agreed, raised the taxes, and started the nation down the road to a ruinous decade-long depression.
The Revenue Act of 1932, in its final form, increased taxes on a host of previously untaxed items and activities—auto bodies, tires, and inner tubes; candy, cameras, and chewing gum; firearms and ammunition; coal and copper ore; telegraph, telephone, and radio; jewelry, matches, refrigerators, stamps, and toiletries; as well as tickets for admission to any event, etc. The construction of big government was begun by Herbert Hoover.
The result was catastrophe. By the March 4, 1933, inauguration of Franklin Roosevelt, federal revenues, after the tax increases, fell to $1.9 billion but the deficit was $2.7 billion. The GDP at $58 billion was 56% of what it had been just three years before, unemployment stood at 23.6% (using the 1932 definitions, unemployment today is 18%), and 1,453 banks had failed in the previous year.
The history of Hoover's gas tax teaches a lesson we should never forget. Initially a one-cent per gallon tax to "balance the budget," the gas tax (currently at 18.4 cents per gallon) has morphed into yet another re-election slush fund for congressional incumbents.
Hoover's gas tax was set to expire on June 30, 1933. Roosevelt's National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 made the tax permanent and the Revenue Act of 1941 raised it to 1.5 cents to help pay for the war buildup. The Revenue Act of 1951 raised the gas tax to 2 cents to help pay for the Korean War.
Opposition to the gas tax grew. A coalition calling itself the National Highway Users Conference called for repeal saying that "no tax for the general support of the government is just in its application when the amount of the burden is determined by the distance the taxpayer must drive to or from his farm, or place of employment, or in the conduct of his business".
President Eisenhower wanted a Federal Interstate Highway System like the Autobahn he saw in Germany. He justified the constitutional question by asserting a national defense purpose for this "freeway" system. In 1956, he beat back opposition to the gas tax by creating a federal Highway Trust Fund making the tax on gasoline and diesel sales a "user's tax" with the revenues dedicated to build the Federal Interstate Highway System. Eisenhower got Congress to increase the gas tax to 3 cents in 1956 and 4 cents in 1959.
This deal lasted until 1983 and built the finest roads in the world.
In 1983, Reagan signed the Surface Transportation Assistance Act which raised the gas tax to 9 cents, with 1 cent of that going to the new Mass Transit Account. For the first time, federal gas tax money could be spent by state and local governments on public transit, and (to satisfy political opposition) on local roads too. In 1986, another 0.1% was added to the gas tax for the "Superfund" cleanup. In 1990, Bush 41 agreed to another 5 cent increase, half of which was dedicated to "deficit reduction." In 1993, Clinton added 4.3 cents—with all of that increase dedicated to "deficit reduction."
The gas tax had come full circle. From Hoover's budget balancing tax to Eisenhower's "Trust Fund" user tax, back to "deficit reduction." The tax stands at 18.4 cents per gallon and the deficit has never been higher.
Sen. George Voinovich (R.-Ohio) last week proposed an increase in the federal gas tax to close the deficit and create jobs. The outgoing senator said the gas tax had not been increased since 1993 and the "lack of investment in our crumbling bridge, highway, and transit systems is a missed opportunity for the creation of thousands of well-paying jobs and long-term economic growth for our nation".
Only in Washington, D.C., would making gas more expensive seem like a good idea.
Here's a better idea. Restore the "User's Tax" idea. Take the 25% of federal gas tax revenues that are currently spent on urban trolleys, bike paths, and local roads and rededicate the whole "Trust Fund" to the federal highway system. That would more than offset the $9 billion general-fund subsidy to the "Trust Fund" last year and make unnecessary any tax increase. The "User's Tax" approach makes sense. Trolley riders should pay for trolleys, bikers for bike paths, and local gas taxes for local roads.
But most of all, Obama must learn from Hoover's history and not raise any taxes at the moment when this Great Recession threatens to turn into Great Depression II.
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Just some reflections on plans by OUR elected officials, regardless of political party, that FAILED!!!
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Calvin Coolidge 4 President!
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Calvin Coolidge 4 President!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge
30th President of the United States (1923–1929). A Republican lawyer from Vermont, Coolidge worked his way up the ladder of Massachusetts state politics, eventually becoming governor of that state. His actions during the Boston Police Strike of 1919 thrust him into the national spotlight. Soon after, he was elected as the 29th Vice President in 1920 and succeeded to the Presidency upon the sudden death of Warren G. Harding in 1923. Elected in his own right in 1924, he gained a reputation as a small-government conservative.
Coolidge restored public confidence in the White House after the scandals of his predecessor's administration, and left office with considerable popularity.[2] As a Coolidge biographer put it, "He embodied the spirit and hopes of the middle class, could interpret their longings and express their opinions. That he did represent the genius of the average is the most convincing proof of his strength."[3] Many later criticized Coolidge as part of a general criticism of laissez-faire government.[4] His reputation underwent a renaissance during the Ronald Reagan Administration,[5] but the ultimate assessment of his presidency is still divided between those who approve of his reduction of the size of government programs and those who believe the federal government should be more involved in regulating and controlling the economy.[6]
(Bold by me for emphasis )
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Either way, Coolidge agreed that LESS gov't created a better outcome to the US economy than more bureaucratic regulation...
Gee. What a concept. The revisionist libs in academia will attempt to re-write history, and continue to prop up FDR, despite his flagrant usurpation of Federal Power, but Coolidge had it right.
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Either way, Coolidge agreed that LESS gov't created a better outcome to the US economy than more bureaucratic regulation...
Gee. What a concept. The revisionist libs in academia will attempt to re-write history, and continue to prop up FDR, despite his flagrant usurpation of Federal Power, but Coolidge had it right.
Indeed. He sucked hard at civil Liberties though. He pushed the first Red Scare, curtailed the 1A and came close to trashing Posse Commitatus. Still, he was on the right side of things economically. Its tough to find someone who is for small government on both economic and police/social issues. still, I'll give Coolidge generally good marks, just with a big asterisk.
Fq13
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Seriously? Hoover caused the Great Depression by raising the top income tax category and estate tax 13 points and adding a gas tax? This is a ludicrous statement in the extreme!
Interesting, Hoover is still taking it in the shorts for the Depression. Remember, it was under the Democrat pacifist Wilson that the Fed Reserve was founded, although the attempts predated him by decades. The FR was in place allegedly to prevent the very thing they could not control, or as some say, even caused. Well, along with all of the house of cards trading that was going on, lots of margin crap on a scale modern investors can only dream about.
This kind of article only serves to say "See, the Republicans screwed up too!" bho's actions are literally without precedent, and an article like this is intended to diffuse and distract that knowledge.
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FQ, The Communist menace was valid. ComIntern was a Genuine real organization.
It founded the CPUSA and funded it till it was purged by the NKVD.
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FQ, The Communist menace was valid. ComIntern was a Genuine real organization.
It founded the CPUSA and funded it till it was purged by the NKVD.
Yeah, but he was also going after Eugene Debs, Dorothy Day, Sam Gompers and Bill Haywood. They hated the Russians as much as anyone. They were socialists, but not traitors. They could, and should have been dealt with politically, not by the feds. Don't like their politics, but we don't settle elections with cops. CPUSA and the German Internationalists? That's a different story.
FQ13 who knows the Wobblies were a PITA, but they were at least fun, and not allied to any foriegn power.
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Seriously? Hoover caused the Great Depression by raising the top income tax category and estate tax 13 points and adding a gas tax? This is a ludicrous statement in the extreme!
Path, I do not follow the entirety of "sorted" history that blames Hoover for the Depression. Many things, as you posted, going back to Wilson, laid the foundation for an inevitable collapse. Hoover was at the helm, and so takes the brunt.
The facts are, Hoover was not at fault for the Depression, it would have happened within a year or two anyway, regardless. The new concept of "credit", short sales, and insider trading, artificially inflated the dollar, caught many with their pants down, and real estate, and industry were financed on nothing but paper. NOT real cash.
Sorry for the misconception about Hoover. He does get a bum rap.
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Yeah, but he was also going after Eugene Debs, Dorothy Day, Sam Gompers and Bill Haywood. They hated the Russians as much as anyone. They were socialists, but not traitors. They could, and should have been dealt with politically, not by the feds. Don't like their politics, but we don't settle elections with cops. CPUSA and the German Internationalists? That's a different story.
FQ13 who knows the Wobblies were a PITA, but they were at least fun, and not allied to any foriegn power.
That was not relevant, then or now, they were promoting the same policies, and being used by, those who were, or sympathized with, traitors, Like the later Rosenberg's, so they got painted with the same brush.
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That was not relevant, then or now, they were promoting the same policies, and being used by, those who were, or sympathized with, traitors, Like the later Rosenberg's, so they got painted with the same brush.
There's a big difference. Working in the service of a foriegn power to weaken us is treason. Pushing for a different, but still very much home grown agenda is just politics. Haywood, Debs and Day wanted modern Sweden, not the USSR. Not my cup of tea, but hardly treason either.
FQ13
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FQ, this wasn't handled by political science majors, it was handled by 30 something Pinkerton's , and "strike breakers" who were nothing more than Brawlers.
There no fine distinction between "socialists" and "Communists", If they were striking they all got clubbed the same, jailed the same (and clubbed some more just for good measure ).
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FQ, this wasn't handled by political science majors, it was handled by 30 something Pinkerton's , and "strike breakers" who were nothing more than Brawlers.
There no fine distinction between "socialists" and "Communists", If they were striking they all got clubbed the same, jailed the same (and clubbed some more just for good measure ).
Which is exactly my problem. You want to take foriegn money? Go to jail. Want to be an indepent patriotic dissident (of whatever stripe)? That's your right. Hell Tom, you might want to be careful about what you defend, lest those thirty Pinkerton brawlers, (I belive they're going by "The company formerly known as Blackwater" these days), shows up at your house. "Mr. Prime Minister of a foriegn country". They might even bring rope. ;D
FQ13
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Which is exactly my problem. You want to take foriegn money? Go to jail. Want to be an indepent patriotic dissident (of whatever stripe)? That's your right. Hell Tom, you might want to be careful about what you defend, lest those thirty Pinkerton brawlers, (I belive they're going by "The company formerly known as Blackwater" these days), shows up at your house. "Mr. Prime Minister of a foriegn country". They might even bring rope. ;D
FQ13
Da--med right ! Toe MY line or get "disappeared" Buddy.
Wow, I couldn't even type that with a straight face ;D
I'm not commenting on the right or wrong of it, simply the mind set of the times. Had you been raised in that culture, it might have been you who bombed Jessie James Mother, You can not judge the decisions of the past by the ideas of today.
You of all people should have jumped on that.